Hillary For President?

[chaz345]

I could be mistaken, but I don't think that any Muslim countries, even those with sharia laws, require one to be a Muslim, nor to pray at all, let alone a specified number of times per day.

You're right being a Muslim is not required. It's just that being anything else (even atheist) is punishable by death.

 

[Eudaimonist]

You're right being a Muslim is not required. It's just that being anything else (even atheist) is punishable by death.

In which nation is this? I haven't heard of this.


eudaimonia,

Mark

 

[chaz345]

In which nation is this? I haven't heard of this.


eudaimonia,

Mark

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Apostasy_in_Islam

Although it seems I may have been off base a little since that speaks of it being illegal to convert from Islam to something else. Simply being something else is not mentioned.

 

[Eudaimonist]

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Apostasy_in_Islam

Although it seems I may have been off base a little since that speaks of it being illegal to convert from Islam to something else. Simply being something else is not mentioned.

Right, it isn't a punishable offense anywhere to my knowledge simply to have non-Islamic beliefs. It requires that you leave the Islamic faith.


eudaimonia,

Mark

 

[bricks00usa]

Off topic: Why are you still a Mormon? One LDS to another?

I have not found anything else I like better.

 

[Renton405]

I could be mistaken, but I don't think that any Muslim countries, even those with sharia laws, require one to be a Muslim, nor to pray at all, let alone a specified number of times per day.

Man are you ever blind.. That comment is a personal insult to all who have died because of sharia laws.. Reading the bible is punishable by execution alone..

Christians are nearly extinct because of them. They are moving out of the middle east(which by the way is originally their land). So not only do christians have persecution from the Jews in Israel, but they have it from the Muslims from the other side..

Seriously, don't bring up something you know absolutly nothing about..

 

[Renton405]

In which nation is this? I haven't heard of this.


eudaimonia,

Mark

Iran and Saudia arabia ring a bell??

.. seriously , grow up will you...Are you say christians are devoid of reason??

Also you have to pay an enourmous tax if your not muslim.. So if you don't execute you for having a bible they will tax you out..

1. North Korea
The Stalinist country of North Korea is characterized by a complete lack of religious freedom and of many other human rights. For the third year in a row, North Korea heads the ranking as the worst violator of religious rights. Christianity is observed as one of the greatest threats to the regime’s power. The government will arrest not only the suspected dissident but also three generations of his family to root out the bad influence. Our local co-worker reports that at least 20 Christians were arrested for their faith in 2004. It is believed that tens of thousands of Christians are currently suffering in North Korean prison camps, where they are faced with cruel abuses. North Korea is suspected to detain more political and religious prisoners than any other country in the world. Though no exact figures can be given, our staff discovered that more than 20 Christians were killed by open air shootings or by beatings in the prison camps during the past year.

2. Saudi Arabia
Also this year, Saudi Arabia is high in the top ten of the World Watch List. Religious freedom does not exist in the Wahhabist kingdom. Its citizens are not allowed to adhere to any other religion than Islam. The legal system is based on Islamic law (sharia). Apostasy -- conversion to another religion -- is punishable by death. Christians and other non-Muslims are prohibited from gathering for public worship. Christians spreading their religion are likely to be imprisoned, as was Indian citizen Brian O’Connor who was sentenced to 10 months imprisonment and 300 lashes during the past year. While in prison, he discovered other Christians in prison for their faith in Saudi Arabia. O’Connor was physically mistreated and pressed to convert to Islam, then released unconditionally from prison after seven months and deporte


Iran
Islam is the official religion in Iran, and all laws and regulations must be consistent with the official interpretation of sharia law. Because conservative parties were victorious in the elections (at the beginning of 2004), religious freedom further deteriorated. Although Christians belong to one of the recognized religious minorities who are guaranteed religious freedom, they have reported imprisonment, harassment and discrimination because of their faith. Iranian authorities have banned the Bible and closed down Protestant churches that accept worshippers from an Islamic background. Hundreds of Christian converts were arrested throughout the year. Iranian Christians considered the detention of 85 Christian pastors in September to be the biggest crisis in 10 years. Most of the prisoners have been released, but documented proof that the army knew he had become a Christian before he was ever given officer rank is a risk that he will be charged before a sharia court. In sharia legislation, apostasy is punishable by death.

Somalia
The eastern African country of Somalia is new in the top ten. Less than one percent of ethnic Somalis are Christian, practicing their faith in secret. Having no central government, the country lacks a constitution or other national laws to protect religious freedom. Islam is the official religion and social pressure is strong to respect Islamic tradition, especially in certain rural parts of the country. Somali Christians indicated that they face heavy pressure to join Islam. During 2004, several Christian converts from Islam reported physical assaults due to their new faith, and some had to escape to other villages. In those regions, even the possession of a Bible can lead to a dangerous situation. Three converts were killed by fundamentalist Muslims because of their beliefs. There is a saying that a Christian Somali is a dead Somali -- when discovered, they risk immediate death.


China
During 2004, China’s government increased control of religious activities, further restricting them. Three internal directives were issued, aimed at the suppression of conversion of Communist Party members, the growth of religion and religious organizations across the country and the increase of religious activity on university campuses. The government wants Marxist atheism research propaganda and education to be further strengthened. Local Christians reported intimidation, harassment and detention of believers. Several mass arrests took place in which hundreds of unregistered Christians were detained. A Christian woman was beaten to death in custody for handing out Christian tracts. However, the number of believers in both registered and unregistered churches continued to grow.

Afghanistan
Afghanistan is back in the top ten. Religious freedom for Christians deteriorated mostly because of the influence of Islamic extremists. During 2004, five Afghan Christian converts were killed for abandoning Islam and spreading their new faith. Some parts of the country, mainly in the south and east, are still under the influence of the Taliban. Afghanistan’s new provisional constitution does not provide sufficiently for religious freedom. The document stipulates that the country is an Islamic republic. Followers of other religions are free to practice their religion provided that these practices are within the limits of the provisions of the law and that “no law can be contrary to the beliefs and provisions of the sacred religion of Islam.” This clause basically gives the official and unofficial religious leaders the right to question every action that they might consider contrary to their beliefs. Blasphemy and apostasy still fall under sharia law and are officially punishable by death. Christian converts face social discrimination and threats.

The first one is an athiest country, the second an Islamic country..The Rest are athiest and Islamic..Starting to see a pattern here??

 

[Nathan Poe]

Iran and Saudia arabia ring a bell??

.. seriously , grow up will you...Are you say christians are devoid of reason??

Also you have to pay an enourmous tax if your not muslim.. So if you don't execute you for having a bible they will tax you out..

1. North Korea
The Stalinist country of North Korea is characterized by a complete lack of religious freedom and of many other human rights. For the third year in a row, North Korea heads the ranking as the worst violator of religious rights. Christianity is observed as one of the greatest threats to the regime’s power. The government will arrest not only the suspected dissident but also three generations of his family to root out the bad influence. Our local co-worker reports that at least 20 Christians were arrested for their faith in 2004. It is believed that tens of thousands of Christians are currently suffering in North Korean prison camps, where they are faced with cruel abuses. North Korea is suspected to detain more political and religious prisoners than any other country in the world. Though no exact figures can be given, our staff discovered that more than 20 Christians were killed by open air shootings or by beatings in the prison camps during the past year.

2. Saudi Arabia
Also this year, Saudi Arabia is high in the top ten of the World Watch List. Religious freedom does not exist in the Wahhabist kingdom. Its citizens are not allowed to adhere to any other religion than Islam. The legal system is based on Islamic law (sharia). Apostasy -- conversion to another religion -- is punishable by death. Christians and other non-Muslims are prohibited from gathering for public worship. Christians spreading their religion are likely to be imprisoned, as was Indian citizen Brian O’Connor who was sentenced to 10 months imprisonment and 300 lashes during the past year. While in prison, he discovered other Christians in prison for their faith in Saudi Arabia. O’Connor was physically mistreated and pressed to convert to Islam, then released unconditionally from prison after seven months and deporte


Iran
Islam is the official religion in Iran, and all laws and regulations must be consistent with the official interpretation of sharia law. Because conservative parties were victorious in the elections (at the beginning of 2004), religious freedom further deteriorated. Although Christians belong to one of the recognized religious minorities who are guaranteed religious freedom, they have reported imprisonment, harassment and discrimination because of their faith. Iranian authorities have banned the Bible and closed down Protestant churches that accept worshippers from an Islamic background. Hundreds of Christian converts were arrested throughout the year. Iranian Christians considered the detention of 85 Christian pastors in September to be the biggest crisis in 10 years. Most of the prisoners have been released, but documented proof that the army knew he had become a Christian before he was ever given officer rank is a risk that he will be charged before a sharia court. In sharia legislation, apostasy is punishable by death.

Somalia
The eastern African country of Somalia is new in the top ten. Less than one percent of ethnic Somalis are Christian, practicing their faith in secret. Having no central government, the country lacks a constitution or other national laws to protect religious freedom. Islam is the official religion and social pressure is strong to respect Islamic tradition, especially in certain rural parts of the country. Somali Christians indicated that they face heavy pressure to join Islam. During 2004, several Christian converts from Islam reported physical assaults due to their new faith, and some had to escape to other villages. In those regions, even the possession of a Bible can lead to a dangerous situation. Three converts were killed by fundamentalist Muslims because of their beliefs. There is a saying that a Christian Somali is a dead Somali -- when discovered, they risk immediate death.


China
During 2004, China’s government increased control of religious activities, further restricting them. Three internal directives were issued, aimed at the suppression of conversion of Communist Party members, the growth of religion and religious organizations across the country and the increase of religious activity on university campuses. The government wants Marxist atheism research propaganda and education to be further strengthened. Local Christians reported intimidation, harassment and detention of believers. Several mass arrests took place in which hundreds of unregistered Christians were detained. A Christian woman was beaten to death in custody for handing out Christian tracts. However, the number of believers in both registered and unregistered churches continued to grow.

Afghanistan
Afghanistan is back in the top ten. Religious freedom for Christians deteriorated mostly because of the influence of Islamic extremists. During 2004, five Afghan Christian converts were killed for abandoning Islam and spreading their new faith. Some parts of the country, mainly in the south and east, are still under the influence of the Taliban. Afghanistan’s new provisional constitution does not provide sufficiently for religious freedom. The document stipulates that the country is an Islamic republic. Followers of other religions are free to practice their religion provided that these practices are within the limits of the provisions of the law and that “no law can be contrary to the beliefs and provisions of the sacred religion of Islam.” This clause basically gives the official and unofficial religious leaders the right to question every action that they might consider contrary to their beliefs. Blasphemy and apostasy still fall under sharia law and are officially punishable by death. Christian converts face social discrimination and threats.

The first one is an athiest country, the second an Islamic country..The Rest are athiest and Islamic..Starting to see a pattern here??

Source?

 

[Beccs]

And yet Iran has a populations of around 75,000 Jews living peacefully among the Muslims. I wonder how they can possibly be living there if they're under sentence of death?

 

[IzzyPop]

And yet Iran has a populations of around 75,000 Jews living peacefully among the Muslims. I wonder how they can possibly be living there if they're under sentence of death?

Shhhh...Try not to confuse Renton with truth. The list of things he has to ignore is getting quite large.

 

[mpok1519]

Its not illegal to be a Christian in Iran. If that were true, why do they not execute the foreign diplomats and dignitaries that go there all the time?

Is it not true that a country's laws apply to everyone, and even visitors?

 

[Beccs]

Shhhh...Try not to confuse Renton with truth. The list of things he has to ignore is getting quite large.

Unfortunately, that's true of a number of die hard people. They refuse to see the truth when it's right in front of them.

 

[mpok1519]

yes, lots of christians are persecuted throughout the world.

many people are persecuted for simply who they are.

even right here in America.

 

[Eudaimonist]

Iran and Saudia arabia ring a bell??

.. seriously , grow up will you...Are you say christians are devoid of reason??

I have never said that christians are devoid of reason.

And since when was asking a simple question immature? Did you read the next few posts? My question did make sense.


eudaimonia,

Mark

 

[MarcusHill]

Renton's claim: If we were under Islamic law, we'd be forced to be Muslims.

Rebuttal: No Islamic country forces you to be a Muslim.

Renton: Conversion from Islam to another faith is punishable by death. Proselytising for other religions is punished.

You've moved the goalposts. Demonstrate that there is an Islamic country where I couldn't go and live comfortably as an atheist, provided I didn't try to turn anyone to atheism. To me, that would be a necessary mimimum to demonstrate your initial claim that we would all be forced to pray to Allah several times a day under sharia law.

 

[Nathan Poe]

Its not illegal to be a Christian in Iran. If that were true, why do they not execute the foreign diplomats and dignitaries that go there all the time?

Is it not true that a country's laws apply to everyone, and even visitors?

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Two Words: Diplomatic Immunity

 

[Nathan Poe]

yes, lots of christians are persecuted throughout the world.

many people are persecuted for simply who they are.

even right here in America.

At the risk of going off-topic, examples?

 

[Phred]

At the risk of going off-topic, examples?

Matthew Sheppard. James Byrd Jr.

 

[selfinflikted]

Matthew Sheppard. James Byrd Jr.

That goes WAY beyond persecution, imo.

 

[bricks00usa]

Wow this thread died. **BUMP**
Any new word on Hillary rating?