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Hillary Clinton calls for "Formal Deprogramming" of Trump supporters

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Okay. Quote where she stated supporters. The statements I read did not say that.
From the last time she called for action against his supporters.

"“You know, to just be grossly generalistic, you could put half of Trump’s supporters into what I call the ‘basket of deplorables,’” she told LGBTQ advocates at the Manhattan event. “The racist, sexist, homophobic, xenophobic, Islamophobic — you name it.”"

I wonder which half I am in?

She also became an election denier.

As late as 2019, Clinton referred to Trump as an “illegitimate president,” claiming in a CBS “Sunday Morning” interview that his campaign engaged in “voter suppression,” “voter purging,” “hacking” and “false stories” to win the election.
 
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That wasn't cultist behavior. Cultist behavior is following a man who wants to throw his competition in jail (LOCK HER UP!) and chanting that are every rally, Cultist behavior would be thinking that Trump could actually circumvent the election by having his followers break into the Capitol and threaten the Vice President, and vandalize and steal thing and then being shocked when they are charged with a crime. Cultist behavior is praising a man who has repeatedly committed fraud, adultery, commited sexual assault - when no other person would have been considered acceptable for the presidency with far less guilt. Cultist behavior is labeling your competition as blood sucking pediphile murderers and creating scenarios to be outraged at


Neither side is a cult....yet.
Thank you again..we are slowly getting back to reality.
Nobody is a cult. But if Trump followers are, then so are Biden and Hillary followers.
Which side called for deprogramming?
Are we against deprogramming? I think we agreed that is wrong.
So, I think we are at the end of and agree on the original premise. She was wrong to suggest deprogramming her political opponents.
So that is good.
 
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Thank you again..we are slowly getting back to reality.
Nobody is a cult. But if Trump followers are, then so are Biden and Hillary followers.
Which side called for deprogramming?
Are we against deprogramming? I think we agreed that is wrong.
So, I think we are at the end of and agree on the original premise. She was wrong to suggest deprogramming her political opponents.
So that is good.
I’ve never seen a Biden supporter refer to him as “a messiah”. There is no parity between Biden supporters and Trump supporters…
 
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Thank you again..we are slowly getting back to reality.
Nobody is a cult. But if Trump followers are, then so are Biden and Hillary followers.
Which side called for deprogramming?
Are we against deprogramming? I think we agreed that is wrong.
So, I think we are at the end of and agree on the original premise. She was wrong to suggest deprogramming her political opponents.
So that is good.
Which side called for prison? "Lock her up!" Repeatedly.


One whole side did not call for deprograming. Hillary didn't even call for it. Again, she was commenting on a how a smaller group of extremist types on the right intimidate the more reasonable members who would work with the Dems. She said "Maybe...." and that sure triggered the right.
 
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Remember when the policy on anti-Semitism was announced and Lauren Boebert claimed it was just an effort to target conservatives?
Now don’t go judging the fine Republican citizens of this great Nation, based on what Congresswoman Boebert might utter.
Yeah... I could hear it in her voice, too.
Oh, yes, this “political anger” is a “both sides” thing, well spotted!
 
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They are no more a cult than BIdenites, Obamaites, or Clintonites.
For some reason another recent thread harping on the large crowds Mr. Trump drew to his rallies vs. the lack of those for Biden comes to mind.

Not that I expect far-right talking points to have any sort of consistency, but the contradictions do tend to jar people out of the story telling.
 
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Are there no extreme people on the left?
But more importantly, whataboutheremailsandobamasbirthcertificate?

Come on, is there any possibility of discussing the subject of the thread. If these MAGA extremists are really so rare, what's the harm in speaking openly and honestly about them rather than trying to change the subject?
 
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From the last time she called for action against his supporters.

"“You know, to just be grossly generalistic, you could put half of Trump’s supporters into what I call the ‘basket of deplorables,’” she told LGBTQ advocates at the Manhattan event. “The racist, sexist, homophobic, xenophobic, Islamophobic — you name it.”"

I wonder which half I am in?

She also became an election denier.

As late as 2019, Clinton referred to Trump as an “illegitimate president,” claiming in a CBS “Sunday Morning” interview that his campaign engaged in “voter suppression,” “voter purging,” “hacking” and “false stories” to win the election.
From the last time...


I think we are done here. It's a shame since we have not even gotten into how funny it is to watch Trump supporters clutching their pearls over this
 
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No, she didn't.
Please show us Hillary's definition of "MAGA extremists" and "Cult members" who "take their walking orders from Trump"?

Does she mean Proud Boys? They are all in prison. Oath Keepers? To whom is she referring? Be specific.
 
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Ok.... here is what was actually said.
Good start!
"You know, because at some point, you know, maybe there needs to be a formal deprogramming of the cult members. But something needs to happen."
So, does America support the "formal deprogramming" of "cult members" (members of the opposite political party) or not? Simple question.
Okay, now you are substituting your meaning for hers. I don't think it is deliberate on your part, but "cult members" are not simply "members of the opposite political party". No.

Do you think that she meant you? Well, if you are an extreme Magadonian (his term) who truly believes that Donald did do nothing wrong and consider him a savior of sorts, then perhaps she did mean you, but you don't seem that extreme from the little I've seen of you.

Yes or no settles the matter.
For you, perhaps. Other people have a more nuanced take.

The hesitancy to answer worries people. It should be a no-brainer. I would worry about myself if I could not find it in myself to immediately and soundly denounce the suggestion.
It was a tongue in cheek remark about a serious issue, that of political cults. Of course, now I expect the hard right wing to start issuing declarations on how it is actually the left, and that the Democratic Party is the real cult. I'll be pleasantly surprised if this does not come to pass.

It's too bad that we cannot have a real dialog.

I think I would check up on myself... some serious self-appraisal.
That's generally a good idea, especially when you find something particularly outrageous or disturbing. Is it real? Obviously, you think Clinton and the Democratic Party have accused Magadonians of being a cult even though that is distinctly NOT what was said.

People remaining silent about the evil of this statement is indeed scary.
Basically, people who don't find this "evil" aren't hearing the same thing you are. I hear a throwaway joke about how to deal with cult followers and rank disinformation campaigns.

If it was just the bitter left-wing kook who could not defeat Trump, then we could laugh it off. But we see people either stand up for her and her statements or remain silent, refusing to condemn the notions.
It's not practical, deprogramming the cultists. It's a dystopian fantasy, not meant to be taken seriously. Sadly, I suspect some weirdos to latch on to the idea but applied to "them" with "them" being the anti-Magadonians.

Again, the correct response to her suggestion is:
"In America, we do not reprogram/deprogram those who disagree with our politics."
"In America, we do not know how to best deal with cult politics."
 
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What if they're just listening and agreeing with an entire movement that wants to throw their competition in jail for 700 years, take away his ability to do business, or run for office, or speak freely, and uses the justice system to bleed him dry so he can't run for re-election?
What if they want even presidents to be held accountable for their crimes?
 
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From the last time she called for action against his supporters.

"“You know, to just be grossly generalistic, you could put half of Trump’s supporters into what I call the ‘basket of deplorables,’” she told LGBTQ advocates at the Manhattan event. “The racist, sexist, homophobic, xenophobic, Islamophobic — you name it.”"

I wonder which half I am in?
Don't you know? If you are racist, sexist, homophobic, xenophobic, Islamophobic then you're in the deplorable half. If not, then not. Who do you think the racist, sexist, homophobic, xenophobic, Islamophobic voters supported?

What action did she call to be taken other than to vote for her?

She also became an election denier.]
Even though she formally conceded the election within a day?

As late as 2019, Clinton referred to Trump as an “illegitimate president,” claiming in a CBS “Sunday Morning” interview that his campaign engaged in “voter suppression,” “voter purging,” “hacking” and “false stories” to win the election.
Yeah, she was not happy with the results of the election.
 
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"They" are those who say those things.
As for the 2 individuals you cite as being mentioned by Trump, they are just that--2 individuals, as opposed to anyone who supports the political views of the former president.
That would be about half the population of the USA.
Folks, you might want to power down your irony meters.
If hillary had actually been thrown in jail back then, we wouldn't have to hear her talk about having people re-programmed as if they were machines. So maybe she's a gift to Conservatives; a mouthpiece that speaks the thoughts of those who rather keep those thoughts silent, so as to avoid being exposed.
Let me get this straight. Two folks who he actually knows and speaks to are, in your mind, the only two people in the country with that attitude, whereas Secretary Clinton was definitely speaking for millions of Democrats who want to put all Donald supporters in reeducation camps?
 
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Please show us Hillary's definition of "MAGA extremists" and "Cult members" who "take their walking orders from Trump"?
She certainly doesn't mean everyone who voted for Donald despite the efforts of some to portray her as doing so.
Does she mean Proud Boys? They are all in prison. Oath Keepers? To whom is she referring? Be specific.
She's probably talking about those who think Donald is 6'3" and 215 lbs. with an Olympian physique and is the only non-corrupt person in Washington. I mentioned earlier it would include those who think Hillary Clinton and Huma Abedin are on video killing a young girl, skinning her face off and wearing it as a a mask. We could throw in people like those Jordan Klepper or The Good Liars interview at Donald rallies who think he's still President and the military is running things in his stead while President Biden died and has been replaced by a body double. I suppose for good measure we could add in those who think the FBI planted 300 boxes of documents in MAL to set up Donald for the documents case and that he had every right to organize slates of "alternative electors".
 
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Such camps aren't Christian.
Shouldn't be accepted by Christians
...
Lastly they aren't American

To non-Christian and non-American, I would add non-existent
 

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I'm zooming out to address the bigger picture here:

Personally, I think if any deprogramming healing were to be done it would be to free the masses from this rather odd mindset that there are only two parties to choose from when voting for a President. No camps, though - camping is a pain. :)

Seriously, though, I find it just a little creepy that people seem to not be able to think outside the box on that front, as though they're under some kind of trance. It's that mindset that gets us what we've gotten over the years, up to and including two less than ideal people (as leaders) - Trump and Biden. Personally, I'm done with both parties. "Well, sometimes we just have to vote for the lesser of two 'evils'". Yeah, well, that's still voting for evil (though I find that term in this case a tad melodramatic, but you know what I mean).

Democrat and Republican are two wings of the same dang bird. Time for a new bird, I say! :bird:

Sorry, just had to get that off me chest.
 
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