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I never said you did, I said nobody has.
so you define my atheism for me then?
of course it has nothing to do with exodus, Gilgamesh was written thousands of years before the bible, the bible seemed to mimic large portions of that story. neither of which I accept as fact
then what does it mean?
One can't read that article without either having an account or shelling out 36 dollars.I agree there's an effect. I note it's not a big one. I disagree about what it means. I note that among younger people, the pattern seems to be reversed.
I don't really like to only look at nobel prize winners.
If you wont rely on scientific consensus, which is peer reviewed and verified (preferably by competitors who want you to be wrong) but you will rely a book that cannot be verified because its in the relm of supernatural, then we have nothing to discuss. that's more or less conceding that you don't care about the validity of what you believe.I don't really like to only look at nobel prize winners. For one thing, many winners feel compelled to weigh in on questions they have no expertise in (often contrary to the consensus in that field), and for some reason their opinions carry weight in the minds of some people.
One can't read that article without either having an account or shelling out 36 dollars.
Maybe you should find a different source.
Now that you knocked down that strawman, I hope you feel a bit better.If you wont rely on scientific consensus, which is peer reviewed and verified (preferably by competitors who want you to be wrong) but you will rely a book that cannot be verified because its in the relm of supernatural, then we have nothing to discuss. that's more or less conceding that you don't care about the validity of what you believe.
We are talking about the scientific leader is the research of the origins of the universe, not people who read an unverifiable book and pass it off as fact.I don't much like it myself, to be honest. The claim was "the intellectual elite are atheist." I've been pointing out that, for a more or less sensible definition of "elite," the claim is actually false.
You seem to be pointing out that the category "intellectual elite" is itself problematic. And I think you're right, actually. I don't put much faith in "elites," particularly self-described ones.
If you wont rely on scientific consensus, which is peer reviewed and verified
We are talking about the scientific leader is the research of the origins of the universe, not people who read an unverifiable book and pass it off as fact.
Thank you very much. Quite interesting also that in the fields, the more microscopic the field that is observed, the higher the religiosity of the scientists, with Chemists having the highest and astronomists having the lowest.The abstract is free. I can't find a US source right now, but there's this showing reduced atheism among younger US scientists:
And did you notice how all the objective data is being provided by the Christian here?
I see I creation, I see natural selection as described by Darwin.
the universe is not made to fit us, we cannot breath in a vacuume.
Most parts are actually quite hostile, either to hot, too cold, to watery or too dry. The sea alone covers nearly 3/4 of the world.There hasn't been enough time for natural selection to create the variety of life we see on the planet.
We don't live in a vacuum, ... we live on Earth, which seems to be rather perfectly designed for our survival and development.
Quite interesting also that in the fields, the more microscopic the field that is observed, the higher the religiosity of the scientists, with Chemists having the highest and astronomists having the lowest.
And yeah, I've noticed. I think that has more to do with your experience, though.
Homo sapiens are natural selection enigmas. If we can’t breath in a vacuum it probably means that we belong on Earth lolI see I creation, I see natural selection as described by Darwin. the universe is not made to fit us, we cannot breath in a vacuume.
Most parts are actually quite hostile, either to hot, too cold, to watery or too dry. The sea alone covers nearly 3/4 of the world.
Then again, you can always use the "get out of jail free" card and point at "the fall".
And yet we have the brains to make it to the moon and back, and possibly much further.Homo sapiens are natural selection enigmas. If we can’t breath in a vacuum it probably means that we belong on Earth lol
have you looked at the similarities between the epic of Gilgamesh and mosses and the flood?Heaven forbid.
You do realize that Moses shows up in Exodus, right? He's not in Genesis, and certainly not involved in the flood myth. If you're going to write "Epic of Gilgamesh vs. Moses" in one post and then turn around and say that of course it has nothing to do with Exodus, the only alternative is that you have no idea who Moses is, which is even wilder than getting confused about the Epic of Gilgamesh.
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