Hey christians....

[CreationofYahweh]

Peace be to you all, all people. I am just a person like you are I do not have the knowledge or power to judge but I will impart what I feel

It is about your religion, how you view this man Jesus.

And what do we know about Jesus. All knowledge a man living 2 millenia after another man is from Books - written down knowledge. There can be no witness, think even of a man living right now, put you as that man , what do you even know of your closest neighbors actions? So is the same of men of the past. All our knowledge comes from these written words, passed down from people to people over the time.

You can think about that, and now I will get to my question:

How can you confuse a man (jesus) with God?
God as an entity is far removed from his creation. It is in your scripture as well, the new testament as the old testament.

Me, I believe the account given in the Holy Quran , which is revelation from God to prophet muhammad(pbuh).

To claim to have sure knowledge of an event that no humans today witnessed, same as in the time of the prophet(pbuh), requires powers a man does not possess. Such a claim is purposed in the quran.

 

[AvgJoe]

Hello CreationofYahweh. Welcome to CF.

How can you confuse a man (jesus) with God?

Christians have no confusion between Jesus and God. Jesus is a human & Jesus is God. It is written all throughout the Bible. Your CF screen name is Creation of Yahweh, which, in other words means, Creation of Jesus. Jesus is Yahweh in the Old Testament.

God as an entity is far removed from his creation. It is in your scripture as well, the new testament as the old testament.

You might want to read it again. In the Bible, God is involved with His creation (man) in a very personal way. He desires to have a personal relationship with each and every one of us.

 

[drich0150]

And what do we know about Jesus. All knowledge a man living 2 millenia after another man is from Books - written down knowledge. There can be no witness, think even of a man living right now, put you as that man , what do you even know of your closest neighbors actions? So is the same of men of the past. All our knowledge comes from these written words, passed down from people to people over the time.

Can't the same be said about your prophet? your beliefs? Perhaps all you believe is in error.. Given the age of your religion and the lack of any complete original documentation.

How can you confuse a man (jesus) with God?

There is no confusion, Jesus out right made the claim. If there were any doubt for any one who witnessed all he could do there wouldn't be a Christianity today. Remember Many claim to be "god" in the time of Jesus and all were discredited or simply forgotten.

Just look at how hard the religious establishment tried to silence Jesus, and his followers.. In fact look at all that has been done by the members of your faith, look at your efforts here today.. If Jesus were not God how long do you think this movement would last with all of these people against it?

God as an entity is far removed from his creation. It is in your scripture as well, the new testament as the old testament.

do you have book chapter and verse?

Me, I believe the account given in the Holy Quran , which is revelation from God to prophet muhammad(pbuh).

To claim to have sure knowledge of an event that no humans today witnessed, same as in the time of the prophet(pbuh), requires powers a man does not possess. Such a claim is purposed in the quran.

To what end? why do you believe in the quran? How is this better? What do you expect to gain in this belief?

 

[seashale76]

Hello, CreationofYaweh!

It is so interesting to me that you bring up humans who are alive today not witnessing all that has been attested to about Christ. However, we have the testimony of the witnesses who were there.

It is also very interesting that this being witnessed is important to you, and I agree that it is. However, I wonder how you accept the Quran though, considering the messenger of your faith (Muhammad) had no witnesses for any of it? He claimed it all came to him in a dream, did he not? No witnesses were there to see. This is a fact that, as far as I know, Muslims do not contest.

You may find the following interesting. It is titled A Christian/Moslem Debate of the Twelfth Century:
Medieval Sourcebook: A CHRISTIAN/MOSLEM DEBATE OF THE 12TH CENTURY

 

[seashale76]

Is it true that Muslims say that Christ is the Word of God and Spirit? It says this in the Quran regarding Jesus, right?

Kalima tu’llah—"The Word of Allah (God)
Ruhun min Allah—"A spirit from Allah (God)."


If so, and to all evidence the Quran does seem to claim this about Jesus, and you believe that Jesus isn't God, then you have a serious problem. If Christ isn't God, then you believe that God is without word or spirit.

 

[Joveia]

Just like humans have a soul because we're made in the image of God, so God (not the image, but the actual God) has a soul. Jesus was God's soul in a human body.

 

[ebia]

Peace be to you all, all people. I am just a person like you are I do not have the knowledge or power to judge but I will impart what I feel

It is about your religion, how you view this man Jesus.

And what do we know about Jesus. All knowledge a man living 2 millenia after another man is from Books - written down knowledge. There can be no witness, think even of a man living right now, put you as that man , what do you even know of your closest neighbors actions? So is the same of men of the past. All our knowledge comes from these written words, passed down from people to people over the time.

Well, I can look at what they wrote - in it's fullness. I can look what they did, and how they lived their lives. I can look at the the ideas they wrote down. And I can look at the context in which that all happened. And I can look for any other external data that might help make sense of all that. And then I can try to work out why they came to write, do and think what they did.

The conclusion I come to is that they New Testament authors wrote what they did because it is substantially true. That Jesus did and said more or less the things they said he did, that he was crucified, and that he did appear to them 3 days later and in a series of encounters over the next 40 days or so. And that he did appear dramatically finally to a guy name Saul. And that that's where they got their ideas from - because there is nowhere else.

How can you confuse a man (jesus) with God?

How does one answer the question "why are you wrong?" Your question needs reworking to be answerable.

God as an entity is far removed from his creation.

Says who? The scripture (Old Testament as well as New) portray him as both distinct from creation (transcendant) and intimiately involved in creation (immanent). Fixating on (either) one of those two will send one way off track.

 

[Lukaris]

Another thing followers of Islam must understand is that for Christians revelation ended with instruction from the Lord Jesus Christ to His apostle St. John in the book of Revelation: "For I testify unto every man that heareth the words of prophecy of this book, If any man shall add unto these things, God shall add unto him the plagues that are written in this book. And if any man shall take away from the words of the book of this prophecy, God shall take away his part out of the book of life, and out of the holy city, and from the things, which are written in this book." (Revelation 22:18-19). Such commands are clearly part of the law of God called in Arabic "sharia" so how can a man (other than a false prophet) claiming to be God's prophet be preaching a true sharia when centuries before God almighty commanded that nothing can be further added or taken away from His revelation to us? Of course, many non Christians do not willingly do such things and the Bible gives indication that the Lord will take individuals into account (such as in the Beatitudes in Matthew 5:1-12, the good Samaritan in Luke 10:25-37, Romans 2:11-16 etc.) but there is harsh judgment to deceivers esp. false prophets, "But whoso shall offend one of these little ones which believe in me, it were better for him that a millstone were hanged about his neck, and that he were drowned in the depth of the sea." (Matthew 18:6).

 

[zaksmummy]

You can think about that, and now I will get to my question:

How can you confuse a man (jesus) with God?
God as an entity is far removed from his creation. It is in your scripture as well, the new testament as the old testament.

Matthew 1 v 22
All this took place to fulfill what the Lord had said through the prophet: 23“The virgin will conceive and give birth to a son, and they will call
him Immanuel” (which means “God with us”).

I am not sure how you can say that God is far removed fro his creation. In the Torah of Moses, God commanded that the people of Isreal make a tent or tabernacle so that God could dwell with his people on the earth, (Exodus). Then again later on in the history of Israel God ask King Solomon to build a temple so that he couild dwell with his people. (Chronicles)

Throughout the bible Jewish people have celebrated and will celebrate the Feast of Tabernacles (it begins next week). There are many reasons to celebrate this feast
1. To remember how the Jewish people didnt have a home as they wandered in the wilderness, and how God provided for their needs.
2. To remember how God was amongst them in the tabernacle
For Messianic Jewish and Gentile believers
3. How Jesus came and dwelt in the world
John 1 v14 The Word became flesh and made his dwelling among us
In an older translation of the Bible it says "He became flesh and tabernacled amongst us"

Just because God is above all things does not mean that he is removed from us, on the contrary, he wants to be with us and us with him, its is our reluctance and stubbornness which prevents this from happening.

 

[freeport]

Peace be to you all, all people. I am just a person like you are I do not have the knowledge or power to judge but I will impart what I feel

It is about your religion, how you view this man Jesus.

And what do we know about Jesus. All knowledge a man living 2 millenia after another man is from Books - written down knowledge. There can be no witness, think even of a man living right now, put you as that man , what do you even know of your closest neighbors actions? So is the same of men of the past. All our knowledge comes from these written words, passed down from people to people over the time.

You can think about that, and now I will get to my question:

How can you confuse a man (jesus) with God?
God as an entity is far removed from his creation. It is in your scripture as well, the new testament as the old testament.

Me, I believe the account given in the Holy Quran , which is revelation from God to prophet muhammad(pbuh).

To claim to have sure knowledge of an event that no humans today witnessed, same as in the time of the prophet(pbuh), requires powers a man does not possess. Such a claim is purposed in the quran.

We believe in God, and we do not believe anyone is good, but God.

So, no other religion can bring forth from man good deeds or words. If a man thinks he is good without the Spirit of Jesus in his heart, that is not a forgiveable error. But, those who believe in Jesus receive the Holy Spirit in their hearts and God gives them freely words and deeds of God.

Man did not write the Bible, but men were moved by God, the Holy Spirit to write the Bible. To say man altered the Bible or that it is not of God is to believe God has tricked man or would not give man the truth. But, above all, the Holy Spirit testifies within our hearts as to the truthfulness of the testimony of prophecy within the Bible, the Book. That testimony is the Testimony of Jesus.

If you want eternal life, there is simply no other way.

Any Christian is no longer of the world, but is born into the Kingdom of Heaven.

The world does not understand the matters of Heaven, 'for as the Heavens are higher then the earth, so is God's ways higher then man's ways'.

 

[kevlite2020]

Peace be to you all, all people. I am just a person like you are I do not have the knowledge or power to judge but I will impart what I feel

It is about your religion, how you view this man Jesus.

And what do we know about Jesus. All knowledge a man living 2 millenia after another man is from Books - written down knowledge. There can be no witness, think even of a man living right now, put you as that man , what do you even know of your closest neighbors actions? So is the same of men of the past. All our knowledge comes from these written words, passed down from people to people over the time.

You can think about that, and now I will get to my question:

How can you confuse a man (jesus) with God?
God as an entity is far removed from his creation. It is in your scripture as well, the new testament as the old testament.

Me, I believe the account given in the Holy Quran , which is revelation from God to prophet muhammad(pbuh).

To claim to have sure knowledge of an event that no humans today witnessed, same as in the time of the prophet(pbuh), requires powers a man does not possess. Such a claim is purposed in the quran.

Interesting questions, and some great answers, I just want to add a couple things.

You say that there can be no witness of Jesus since it all happened 2000 years ago. The thing is, the gospels (as well as many of the letters) were all written and distributed during the life span of witnesses to Jesus. In other words, when the gospels were first made available and the apostles first started building up the church, there were still people alive, both believers and non-believers, who had physically seen Jesus and what He had done on earth. When you look at things like the places Jesus went, the miracles He performed, the claims that He made, etc, nobody from that time period denies it. Remember, Christians were hated when they first came by very powerful groups (Jews, Greeks, Romans). If people would have stepped up and said, Jesus didn't do this, or Jesus didn't say this, they would have been widely published because it was in all of their interests to defame Christ. We don't see those though, because the events that took place were viewed by so many witnesses that their argument would have fallen flat immediately.

So you are right in saying I did not personally witness Jesus' death and resurrection. But you aren't exactly correct in saying that there are no witnesses. There are witness accounts of Jesus, both in Christian and secular writings of that time period. It's not a big stretch to believe the accuracy of those accounts, considering the time period then hated Jesus more widely then they do now and they had lots of motive to downplay His claims in any way they could.

Also, you say God is removed from His creation and I don't see how you came to that conclusion. God loves His people so much that He instructed them to build a tent of meeting so He could literally come dwell with them.

Let me ask you this. Do you believe that a miracle has ever happened on this earth, ever? If God produced even one miracle, it shows He is literally right here, because changing something on earth that cannot be changed scientifically requires God having control of everything on earth.