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Heresy Studies: MONTANISM

jckstraw72

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Scripture, right?

Scripture makes no claim to being everything the Apostles ever taught. You know this. The Scriptures are not a catechism either - they require interpretation which is done by Tradition - the entirety of the Apostolic teachings.
 
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Surely you jest. Montanism to the core. Roman Catholicism does not preach just as the Church had from the beginning; it developed doctrine, new revelation, versus faith once delivered. C'mon let's be realistic here. You say it yourself, NT is just 'bits of communication' preserved.

You clearly don't know what Montanism is. But that isn't my issue here.

Catholicism does preach only what was taught from the apostles. The Church does not have any new revelation. Doctrine is based on what was already taught. Everything comes from apostolic tradition, that is, what the apostles taught. They Church cannot add anything to that.

The New Testament is mostly bits of communication that have been preserved. Are you saying that Luke was not a letter addressed to someone? That Paul's epistles were not addressed to certain people and communities? We preserve them because they are divine inspired, they speak from the apostolic deposit of faith.

What you are doing is making a baseless and scriptureless assumption that the New Testament was the only teaching God made known or wanted to be made known for all time.

The reason you believe that is because when protestants left the Church, they did not want to listen to the teaching authority of the Church. The only thing divinely inspired they had left was scripture. They decided to believe that the bible was the only thing God wanted them to know. They made a theological conclusion based on what they wanted.

If God wanted us only to have texts, then why did Jesus appoint twelve apostles and they appointed more apostles, more bishops, deacons, presbyters, etc? Why didn't Jesus just write a bunch of books and have missionaries to go out and preach from it? Instead, we have a collection of documents, most of which are assigned to people that weren't even part of the original twelve!
 
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Christ told the apostles to go out and teach/preach to the whole world- not write a few books and a bunch of letters to guide Christianity for all time. As we can see in scripture they appointed people to different positions to continue to work of teaching and preaching the Gospel.

The New Testament is made up mostly of bits of communication between communities that were preserved.

1:16 For I am not ashamed of the gospel of Christ: for it is the power of God unto salvation to every one that believeth; to the Jew first, and also to the Greek.
 
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There is a big difference from me saying that I had a moment where I thought the Holy Spirit was working or speaking through me versus me saying that I am a prophet from who the word of God comes.

No there's not. The Spirit is either Holy, or it's not. Scripture couldn't be more clear! You need man-made voodoo to muddy that up.
 
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No there's not. The Spirit is either Holy, or it's not. Scripture couldn't be more clear! You need man-made voodoo to muddy that up.

The Spirit is always holy, but whether we can say whether a person is authoritative is another issue altogether.

If someone on the street is saying he sometimes speaks from the Holy Spirit, he either or isn't. If he is speaking from the Holy Spirit, then anything he says while speaking from the Spirit is equal to scripture. Does that mean we should write it down?

I would certainly hope that no one here thinks themselves a prophet equal to the scriptures when they are speaking from the Holy Spirit. So, there is obviously a difference.
 
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1:16 For I am not ashamed of the gospel of Christ: for it is the power of God unto salvation to every one that believeth; to the Jew first, and also to the Greek.

Firstly I can only guess at your intentions here, since you simply quoted scripture, which is rude since it assumes I don't know scripture. I am guessing you are coming from the assumption that the Gospel is the written Gospel.

There is the Gospel, which is the good news, the proclamation of what Jesus is and His saving power. In this is all truth about all things.

"And there are also many other things which Jesus did, which if they were written in detail, I suppose that even the world itself would not contain the books that would be written." John 21:25

Secondly, the fact that the Gospel, be it the full story of Jesus Christ (which scripture says it doesn't contain) or the written Gospels have the power to save does not mean that the Gospels contain all that was revealed. This is obvious, since we have other books in the bible that reveal other information.

My guess is that you are taking the usual protestant route of when sola scriptura is challenged, you defend it by pointing out that that such and such is all that is needed for salvation. You don't even need to the NT to be a Christian or 'saved', since there were Christians before there were NT scriptures.
 
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