Here's my problem, I believe in evolution, and it brings up doubts especially in the OT...

[-57]

Could not the resurrection be a physical symbol of a spiritual truth?

You said "Could not the resurrection be a physical symbol of a spiritual truth?"

Doesn't matter..there will be a physical resurrection. That what the bible says.

 

[-57]

Again, that's your biassed interpretation, biassed by evolutionism.

That's just one of the ways the Theo-Evos need to change the bible....to force it to accept evolutionism.

 

[TLK Valentine]

You said "Could not the resurrection be a physical symbol of a spiritual truth?"

Doesn't matter..there will be a physical resurrection. That what the bible says.

Well, the Bible says there will be a resurrection... what that means is up for discussion.

 

[-57]

Well, the Bible says there will be a resurrection... what that means is up for discussion.

1 Thes 4:16 For the Lord himself will descend from heaven with a cry of command, with the voice of an archangel, and with the sound of the trumpet of God. And the dead in Christ will rise first.

Up for discussion? Not really.

 

[The Barbarian]

Barbarian observes:
God says to Adam that he will die the day he eats from the tree. Adam eats, and lives on physically for many years thereafter. If God is truthful, than the death He was speaking of, was a spiritual, not a physical one.
If you need to deny what's in it, isn't that a clue for you?

The innocent animal died in Adams place...became Adams sin covering...

That's not what God says in Genesis. Again, you're adding material to make His word more acceptable to you.

 

[TLK Valentine]

1 Thes 4:16 For the Lord himself will descend from heaven with a cry of command, with the voice of an archangel, and with the sound of the trumpet of God. And the dead in Christ will rise first.

Up for discussion? Not really.

Dead in Christ... physically? Or dead in their sins? or both? Or neither?...

 

[redleghunter]

Indeed -- His inheritance being the Kingdom of God... which He said was not of this world...

Yes. However the Kingdom resides in the child of God and he or she while still here strives to live by the King's example and love.

 

[lasthero]

Again, that's your biassed interpretation, biassed by evolutionism.

You're not very good at this whole 'discussing' thing.

 

[Loudmouth]

In general, the subject matter.

For me, well, I don't worry about it. The evidence I have for God is that I've spoken to him directly, been taken places, seen things, and had three major miracles occur on or about my person, so the answer I know is that God IS.

And it makes the whole question sort of moot.

If someone had the same evidence for a different deity, would you find that convincing?

The problem with facts that you can't demonstrate is that you know them, but there's no way to make others know them.

If you can't demonstrate them, then they aren't facts. They are personal experiences that can't be verified.

The real question is why all of the verifiable evidence points to evolution if evolution did not happen.

 

[PsychoSarah]

The innocent animal died in Adams place...became Adams sin covering...ZIP ahead 4K years and the innocent Jesus died in our place...became our covering.

...the Gospel is in Genesis.

It would be more impressive if the people writing the Gospel were unaware of what was written in Genesis. This was not the case.

 

[-57]

It would be more impressive if the people writing the Gospel were unaware of what was written in Genesis. This was not the case.

It would be more impressive if God gave you the ability to see the truth.

 

[PsychoSarah]

It would be more impressive if God gave you the ability to see the truth.

True that. Why has God not done that? I have been a seeker for over 7 years.

You haven't refuted or even really responded to the idea in my previous post.

 

[-57]

True that. Why has God not done that? I have been a seeker for over 7 years.

You haven't refuted or even really responded to the idea in my previous post.

Perhaps God is knocking on your door and so far your pride is not answering the knock. I'm not you. I can only speculate.

Perhaps Romans 1:19 explains you. Because that which is known about God is evident within them; for God made it evident to them. 20For since the creation of the world His invisible attributes, His eternal power and divine nature, have been clearly seen, being understood through what has been made, so that they are without excuse.21For even though they knew God, they did not honor Him as God or give thanks, but they became futile in their speculations, and their foolish heart was darkened

 

[PsychoSarah]

Perhaps God is knocking on your door and so far your pride is not answering the knock. I'm not you. I can only speculate.

Perhaps Romans 1:19 explains you. Because that which is known about God is evident within them; for God made it evident to them. 20For since the creation of the world His invisible attributes, His eternal power and divine nature, have been clearly seen, being understood through what has been made, so that they are without excuse.21For even though they knew God, they did not honor Him as God or give thanks, but they became futile in their speculations, and their foolish heart was darkened

Pride? Hahahahahahahahahahaha. Wheeze. Hahahahahahahahahahaha. My "spiritual poisons" are sloth and wrath. Pride is something I have so little of as to be detrimental to functioning within society. One needs to have pride in order to feel shame. I attribute my lack of belief to the lack of evidence needed to make me a believer, no more, no less, and not being indoctrinated as a child.

Also, perhaps you need to drop the biblical bias that favors you. The world isn't obviously created by any particular deity; if that was the case, Judaism and perhaps Christianity would have been among Native North and South Americans prior to Europeans going there.

 

[TLK Valentine]

The innocent animal died in Adams place...became Adams sin covering...ZIP ahead 4K years and the innocent Jesus died in our place...became our covering.

...the Gospel is in Genesis.

God never mentioned a last minute substitution... God lied to Adam.

 

[TLK Valentine]

Here's my problem, I believe in evolution, and it brings up doubts especially in the OT... were the OT writers simply writing what they "thought" and the way they "felt" about God, and not in an actual words God actually said..

Well, my problem is I believe the scientific evidence which casts doubt on some of the Bible writers, BUT, I have too much personal experiencial evidence of a God and other spirits existing on another side beside this one...

http://www.christianforums.com/thre...periencing-part-of-a-pm-conversation.7843548/

My personal experiencial evidence stands on it's very own as enough proof for me, but have I encountered the same God (YHWH) spoke about in the OT, some OT acts and verses by God cast a shadow of a doubt on him being a or the God of Love...

Anyone help?

God Bless!

Question: if God, in all his brilliance and glory, were to appear to you right now -- no intermediaries, no filters -- and you were somehow trying to express what you saw to us here on this board, do you think that you could accomplish that using human language and do justice to the experience?

 

[-57]

Pride? Hahahahahahahahahahaha. Wheeze. Hahahahahahahahahahaha.

If the above isn't pride...then what is.

 

[TLK Valentine]

If the above isn't pride...then what is.

I'm sure she's sincerely sorry that her pride is keeping her from accepting your opinions on evolution as unquestionable gospel.

I'm sure you'll find the strength to deal with it -- the rest of us have.

 

[redleghunter]

It would be more impressive if the people writing the Gospel were unaware of what was written in Genesis. This was not the case.

Please explain.

 

[redleghunter]

God never mentioned a last minute substitution... God lied to Adam.

How so?