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Scripture reference?If a person doesnt believe, going by Scripture, alone that, 'at the evening of life they shall be judged on their love'. then Scripture alone hasn't served to fully inform them.
And our response to Christ should be love, because he commands it. And He's also the source of it at the same time. So unless one is in Christ, loving well is sort of an indeterminate quality. Again loving well is described most aptly in 1 Cor 13 as well as the beatitudes. Either way, it's a gift, that comes by virtue of our communion or fellowship with Him.The Orthodox Jew who loves well will not be judged on his love, but on his response to Jesus Christ. . .as will all mankind (Jn 3:18).
Does not address my post (#241) to which it is responding. . .And our response to Christ should be love, because he commands it. And He's also the source of it at the same time. So unless one is in Christ, loving well is sort of an indeterminate quality. Again loving well is described most aptly in 1 Cor 13 as well as the beatitudes. Either way, it's a gift, that comes by virtue of our communion or fellowship with Him.
Ok, referencing that quote, we have to have understanding of what faith means and what it means to be saved through it, because there are many other passages that tell us what we need to have or do besides faith alone in order to be saved. And this is easily reconciled.Does not address my post (#241) to which it is responding. . .
While Scripture states that the response required for salvation is faith (Eph 2:8-9).
The faith that saves is belief and trust in Jesus Christ and his atoning work for the remission of one's sin.Ok, referencing that quote, we have to have understanding of what faith means and what it means to be saved through it, because there are many other passages that tell us what we need to have or do besides faith alone in order to be saved.
Again it's more than just believing in one or two truths regarding Jesus and His work. Faith is about reconciliation with God and to believe in Jesus is to believe in God. He wants man back into that right and just state of being. The state of "original sin" consists of the very alienation from God that Adam brought into our world, and Jesus came to rectify..The faith that saves is belief and trust in Jesus Christ and his atoning work for the remission of one's sin.
We then grow in the knowledge and practice of that faith which saved from God's condemnation.
And the belief in and trust on Jesus and his atoning work on the cross effects reconcilation with God (Eph 2:16) and salvation from his condemnation (Eph 2:8-9).Again it's more than just believing in one or two truths regarding Jesus and His work. Faith is about reconciliation with God
Reconciliation isn't just a legal status however, but a relationship that's meant to grow and blossom unto eternal life. If we're picking up our cross and following daily, doing his will the best we can with the gifts given, then we're acting in line with that relationship, producing good fruit, as His children should, IOW.And the belief in and trust on Jesus and his atoning work on the cross effects reconcilation with God (Eph 2:16) and salvation from his condemnation (Eph 2:8-9).
Is that a denial of the point that belief in and trust on Jesus and his atoning work on the cross effects reconcilation with God (Eph 2:16) and salvation from his condemnation (Eph 2:8-9), which is the point under consideration?Reconciliation isn't just a legal status however, but a relationship that's meant to grow and blossom unto eternal life. If we're picking up our cross and following daily, doing his will the best we can with the gifts given, then we're acting in line with that relationship, producing good fruit, as His children should, IOW.
The distinctions, or emphasis, I'm making, and I think it's important, is that faith in God is the reversal of Adam's lack of faith in Him-and that faith, itself, is what He's after because it effects reunion, communion, with Him. And that relationship, itself, is the essence and basis of our justice, our righteousness. So belief in Jesus is belief in God, not soley trust in Jesus and His atoning work, as if my believing my sins are forgiven makes them forgiven, but it's broader, it's to see, to know, God in Jesus and bow before that God. That is reconciliation with Him effected, and that reconciliation is more than a legal transaction but means, as I've said, a vital, crucial relationship first of all, the branch now grafted into the Vine.
The WCF is basically saying "if you're saved and one of the elect, you're going to prove it by remaining in the faith until you're called home."I’ve written in CP before that I believe once a Christian is saved through the sacrifice of Christ, they cannot lose their salvation. This doctrine is most often called the perseverance (sometimes labeled “preservation”) of the saints.
On this topic, the Westminster Confession of Faith says: “They whom God hath accepted in His beloved Son effectually called and sanctified by His Spirit can neither totally nor finally fall away from a state of grace, but shall certainly persevere therein to the end and be eternally saved.”
There are plenty who disagree with this.
For example, the Catholic Church at the Council of Trent declared: “If anyone says that a man once justified cannot lose grace and therefore that he who falls and sins never was truly justified, let him be accursed.” And at the 1610 Conference of the Remonstrants (what Arminians called themselves then) said, “Persons truly regenerate, by neglecting grace and grieving the Holy Spirit with sin, fall away totally, and at length finally, from grace into eternal reprobation.”
Here’s the No. 1 fallacy on eternal security
All our sins past and future evaporated at the cross and can t be resurrected against us ever, and thus we re forever protected from themwww.christianpost.com
Not only is he allowing it but even commands so. Didn't God tell people to be fruitful and multiply?allowing mankind to produce children not of His original calling
God's Word, when used, implies that Man carry out His instructions by the *power* of His Word. When we obey God we are choosing to live in partnership with God's Word, reflecting the nature of God in our own obedience to His Word.Not only is he allowing it but even commands so. Didn't God tell people to be fruitful and multiply?
Faith in God does not save. . .it must be faith in Jesus Christ (Jn 3:18).The distinctions, or emphasis, I'm making, and I think it's important, is that faith in God is the reversal of Adam's lack of faith in Him-and that faith, itself, is what He's after because it effects reunion, communion, with Him.
Actually, it is the imputed righteousness of Jesus Christ that is the basis of that relationship.And that relationship, itself, is the essence and basis of our justice, our righteousness.
Belief in Jesus is necessarily belief in God for Jesus is God Incarnate (Jn 1:1, 14).So belief in Jesus is belief in God, not soley trust in Jesus and His atoning work, as if my believing my sins are forgiven makes them forgiven.
That is saving faith, and anything less is not.but it's broader, it's to see, to know, God in Jesus and bow before that God.
Saving faith effects reconciliation.Again it's more than just believing in one or two truths regarding Jesus and His work. Faith is about reconciliation
Only because Jesus is God. To see Jesus is to see God, to know Jesus is to know God, to believe in Jesus is to believe in God, to hope in Jesus is to hope in God, and to love Jesus is to love God. So, now,Faith in God does not save. . .it must be faith in Jesus Christ (Jn 3:18).
This is a lack of proper understanding. Man becomes righteous only by virtue of his connection to the Vine.Actually, it is the imputed righteousness of Jesus Christ that is the basis of that relationship.
Yes, faith in God effects reconciliation. It's reconciliation realized, actualized, experienced.Saving faith effects reconciliation.
And?. . .does that alter Jesus' statement that salvation is only by faith in him (Jn 3:18), that the faith of Jews in God only is not salvation?Only because Jesus is God.
Was Abraham's faith in God his salvation?And?. . .does that alter Jesus' statement that salvation is only by faith in him (Jn 3:18), that the faith of Jews in God only is not salvation?
No. . .his faith in the promise (Ge 15:5, Seed, Jesus Christ, Gal 3:16), was his salvation (Ge 15:6).Was Abraham's faith in God his salvation?
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