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Help on understanding the Trinity..

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BornAgainChristian1

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Again you making unfounded statements about the OT isn't helping your argument. You mention a few but the fact is thousands if not millions in total of Jews killed by God including Moses and Aaron. Another fact there were only two taken to heaven and escaped natural death.
 
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I didn't say liberal scholars. I said scholars.
Yes I believe you consider liberal scholars as scholars which is why I said what I said. The point I was making I don't hold catholic doctrines and/or traditions in the same league with the bible. When I see people hold men's opinions over what the bible states their conversation is then voided. Perhaps you could use the Bereans example of confirming things though scripture instead of your churches opinions?
 
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The Son and Logos are identical. The Logos is the only-begotten of the Father, the One we call the Son because He is begotten of the Father.
Scripture please.
The Logos never became the Son, the Logos is from all eternity the only-begotten Son of the Father because His Origin is from and of the Father.
To say otherwise is heretic.
John 1:14
Scripture please.
Hebrews 1. The Son is the One by which God made all things; the Son is the One who is the exact imprint of the Father's being; the Son is the One to whom the Father says, "Your throne O God is forever and ever".
Heb 1:1-2 states;
In the past God spoke to our ancestors through the prophets at many times and in various ways, but in these last days he has spoken to us by his Son, whom he appointed heir of all things, and through whom also he made the universe.
Heb 8:6 states;
And again, when God brings his firstborn into the world, he says, “Let all God’s angels worship him.” Matt 2:1, Luke 2:13-14
The Father was only called Father when he had a son.
http://www.biblestudytools.com/dictionaries/bakers-evangelical-dictionary/fatherhood-of-god.html
As the above link will show that is not factual. The Son was never called the Logos, or vice versa. The Logos became the Son when he became flesh. John 1:14
 
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Both the Eastern Orthodox and Roman Catholic Churches teach orthodoxy.
Yes, but not Christian Orthodoxy.
Not just mine, but I actually do use the Bible unlike you who use mainly your own understanding of the Orthodoxy of your own denomination. I use the Bible exactly the way Paul admonished us to in 2nd Timothy 3:16.
Rejecting that and going your own way is, by every metric, the definition of heresy.
Being called a heretic by heresy doesn't really mean much to me.
If this were true you might have a point but as you have not only lied and called me a heretic but put false words in my mouth I guess we know exactly who your father is.
I'm sure most self-righteous pharisaical people like you feel the same way, but I am only accountable to God and to those people who run this forum, and definitely not to an inculcated person such as yourself.
 
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Yes, but not Christian Orthodoxy.
Why don't you explain to us what Christian Orthodoxy is?.....that should be easy since you proclaim to know what it is not.
 
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The end of Matthew 28 has the baptismal formula; in the name (singular) of the Father and of the Son and of the Holy Ghost. Baptism is a symbol; it is not a life-giving rite. Saving faith involves the activity of Father, Son and Holy Spirit; John's Gospel is full of references to Father, Son and Holy Spirit working together in God's wondrous plan of redemption (see especially John 13 thru 17).
 
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