Help, my niece is being taught evolution!

[Dr.GH]

Anyone who "rants about the discrepencies" of biology has failed to grasp biology. There are complexities, there are deep complexities, but I don't know any discrepencies. The theory of evolution is incomplete, just as the theory of gravity is incomplete.

In fact, evolutionary theory is in better agreement with experimental data than any existing theory of gravity. This is very surprising because physics is about the behavior of very simple and honest things. Biology is about the behavior of very complex and even deceitful things; insects that look like sticks and people who make up weird religions about thunder gods, and fish gods and "give me all your money" gods. There are even people who lie about these things in order to fool other people. Can you imagine that?

Proffered claims that someone likes to "rant about discrepencies" will not gain any support except amoung equally confused people, and will draw a measure of scorn from those who are able to follow the science. Sorry, but that is just the way it goes.

 

[_Origen]

Ok guys go at it. Give us your reaction to what the Creationist Dr. Dino things about the propaganda machine of the evolutionists.

If you can't get through to her through creation science, teaches the meaning of creationism. That God sent his only Son into the world to save us. Learn the OT prophecies about Christ and how and why they are interpretated they why they are and why the ancient Jews (before Christ) agree with us Christians today. In the end, always remember, prophecy is the heart of Christianity; and our experience has Christians bear testimony to these fulfilled prophecies.

As far as dinodaurs go, they are mentioned in the Bible under words such as "Dragon" (in about three text that varify them), "Monsters," "Behemoth," "Leviathan," and in a few text are refered to even as "Serpents."
The liguistics on the word "dinosaur" are also were you can reach her. The word was not coined until 1841 by Sir Richard Owens. The word most commonly used in the past was "Dragon." You can even read about Dragons in Sumerian tales like the Gilgamesh epic, and so on etc.

John, I lost my best friend to evolution as he was supposedly learning "true Christianity" through SDA-Dubiologist--along with Duh Da Vinchi Code factions that came with it. Don't lose your loved ones. Spend the time needed and discuss the Bible with her and let her know the meaning of life--the Love of Christ Jesus.

 

[random_guy]

Yeah doing your part to corrupt our kids with lies about "dino-bird ancestory".

Looks like I am. Doesn't it get you riled up that I'm allowed to do this, but if you teach humans rode dinosaurs, it wouldn't be allowed? What kind of crazy world do we live in when we're allowed to show pictures of theropod fossils as evidence of dino-bird transitional?

 

[random_guy]

I don't see how it's "funny." I'm not complaining that my kids don't read religious materials in their literature classes. Why would I want them learning religion from their science teachers? I choose our church for that.

Now how am I teaching religion by giving evidence that scientists think that dinosaurs and birds have a common ancestor? Was I also teaching religion during my unit on geology when I said evidence suggested that the Earth is billions of years old?

 

[Asimov]

John, I lost my best friend to evolution as he was supposedly learning "true Christianity" through SDA-Dubiologist--along with Duh Da Vinchi Code factions that came with it. Don't lose your loved ones. Spend the time needed and discuss the Bible with her and let her know the meaning of life--the Love of Christ Jesus.

I'm so sorry to hear your best friend lost you to creationism.

 

[Lord_Marx]

It's sad to see a friendship ended over something as trivial as conflicting origin of life beliefs.

 

[_Origen]

I'm so sorry to hear your best friend lost you to creationism.

Much you assume.

My friend was a life-long SDA who set out to prove that Sunday was the "mark of the beast" and that led him from Christianity to Judaism to Relativism to spiritual atheism. He was interrogating me because I started attending a church by my house that kept Sunday. He was trying to prove that I was a bad Christian and God will reject me if I don't repent and keep the Sabbath. He was never a believer to begin with when it came down to the bear facts. This all happened over the last two years (we don't talk much anymore).

He gave up Christianity out of hate...not truth. He never said anything using the laws of logic in his criticism of the Bible. And thats mainly what it all boils down to. People that detest God do it out of hate and not truth. Hate blinds the minds-eye from understanding things of the true nature.

 

[Lord_Marx]

Your friend just sounds crazy, I don't think his belief in evolution had anything to do with it. It sounds more like you lost him due to an anti-Sunday conspiracy theory.

 

[Dannager]

Much you assume.

My friend was a life-long SDA who set out to prove that Sunday was the "mark of the beast" and that led him from Christianity to Judaism to Relativism to spiritual atheism. He was interrogating me because I started attending a church by my house that kept Sunday. He was trying to prove that I was a bad Christian and God will reject me if I don't repent and keep the Sabbath. He was never a believer to begin with when it came down to the bear facts. This all happened over the last two years (we don't talk much anymore).

He gave up Christianity out of hate...not truth. He never said anything using the laws of logic in his criticism of the Bible. And thats mainly what it all boils down to. People that detest God do it out of hate and not truth. Hate blinds the minds-eye from understanding things of the true nature.

Oh, so exposure to the theory of evolution wasn't the cause of your friend's change. So long as we're clear on that.

 

[Ryal Kane]

I think Neo-Darwinism is pretty well known. It anwered many of the questions Darwinism couldn't answer, and was not designed by Darwin.

I'm just scared that someone might say "neo-darwinism" in front of the mirror threetimes and summon John Crawford.

 

[USincognito]

My friend was a life-long SDA...

I'd point out to the lurkers that SDA theology is the root from which contemporary YECism sprang from mainly through the writings of George McCready Price. If you've been reading here long you are well aware that more crises of faith result from YECism than TEism.

 

[JohnR7]

My friend was a life-long SDA who set out to prove that Sunday was the "mark of the beast"

I had a friend that was SDA that use to get into that at times. He was so strict that he would not travel on the sabbath. But he would shop and that causes others to break the sabbath. Of course they go into this stuff about how no one is perfect. But I told him that when he kept the sabbath, then so would I. He did not think he would ever be able to keep the sabbath, but somehow he wanted or expected me to.

 

[JohnR7]

the writings of George McCready Price.

Price spent most of his time with the theory of flood geology and that is not all that widely accepted today. But it does seem to be a part of it.

 

[TemperateSeaIsland]

I'd point out to the lurkers that SDA theology is the root from which contemporary YECism sprang from mainly through the writings of George McCready Price. If you've been reading here long you are well aware that more crises of faith result from YECism than TEism.

Thanks, was feeling a bit ignorant.

 

[faster_jackrabbit]

I have already answered that in this thread. Your questions don't seemed to be asked in the spirit of you desire to understand my parenting style, but it seems you've judged it before we even started talking.

Do you or do you not give them the opportunity to be anything other than christian?

 

[Pats]

Do you or do you not give them the opportunity to be anything other than christian?

As I've said, already in this thread, their father IS NOT a Christian, and they also learn about his beliefs from him. That's not to mention that they discuss spirituality with others at school.

I encourage my children to be a Christian, because it is what I believe is right. However, God Himself affoards them the opportunity to be whatever they want. How could I stop them?

 

[JGG]

Much you assume.

My friend was a life-long SDA who set out to prove that Sunday was the "mark of the beast" and that led him from Christianity to Judaism to Relativism to spiritual atheism. He was interrogating me because I started attending a church by my house that kept Sunday. He was trying to prove that I was a bad Christian and God will reject me if I don't repent and keep the Sabbath. He was never a believer to begin with when it came down to the bear facts. This all happened over the last two years (we don't talk much anymore).

He gave up Christianity out of hate...not truth. He never said anything using the laws of logic in his criticism of the Bible. And thats mainly what it all boils down to. People that detest God do it out of hate and not truth. Hate blinds the minds-eye from understanding things of the true nature.

Kind of like those people who hate atheists and evolutionists, huh?

 

[Evobio]

Let's see...I think I've studied evolution for about, oh, thirty odd years now. And I'll be the first to tell you, without evolution, biology is meaningless.

 

[rainbowpromise]

Let's see...I think I've studied evolution for about, oh, thirty odd years now. And I'll be the first to tell you, without evolution, biology is meaningless.

Since biology is the study of life, I don't see the problem with what your belief is on origins.
However if you were an anthropologist who studies the origins and development of mankind, then you would have issues with creation vs. evolution. As well a geologist would have some isssues with creation vs. evolution.
Biology and creation are not at odds with each other unless you are crossing over into another science.

 

[JGG]

Since biology is the study of life, I don't see the problem with what your belief is on origins.
However if you were an anthropologist who studies the origins and development of mankind, then you would have issues with creation vs. evolution. As well a geologist would have some isssues with creation vs. evolution.
Biology and creation are not at odds with each other unless you are crossing over into another science.

Which science would that be? I'm pretty sure its still biology. Afterall, the study of life is basically all sciences.

And everything I know about biology kind of hinges on evolution. Of course I'm not a biologist.