Help, my niece is being taught evolution!

[Dr.GH]

I am an anthropologist, and I see my study as a particular subset of biology. A weird subset, because we study a weird creature- humans and their closest kin.

 

[USincognito]

Since biology is the study of life, I don't see the problem with what your belief is on origins.
However if you were an anthropologist who studies the origins and development of mankind...

I'm going to nominate "origins" along with "kind" and "information" to the slate of rhetorically useless words that Creationists bandy about as if they actually meant something within the context of this debate.

Biologists don't study abiogenesis per se since their field of study inherently means there is extant life.

Anthopologists don't study the the "origins" of man per se (Dr. GH can correct me on this) since their focus is on extant human populations.

Darwin titled his book "The Origin of The Species" and that was a contextually proper use of the word. He was explaining how the various species we find developed from other species, ie. their "origin." But he wouldn't have used it as a catch all term to describe the totality of evolution.

 

[Dannager]

Since biology is the study of life, I don't see the problem with what your belief is on origins.
However if you were an anthropologist who studies the origins and development of mankind, then you would have issues with creation vs. evolution. As well a geologist would have some isssues with creation vs. evolution.
Biology and creation are not at odds with each other unless you are crossing over into another science.

Er...as far as I'm aware, evolution isn't a belief on origins. Evolution is an ongoing process. Sure, it can be used to explain from which species other species arose, but it makes no claim to ultimate origin like creationism does.

 

[faster_jackrabbit]

Yeah, origins is a whole different theory, abiogenesis. Evolution talks about what happened after life was already rolling along.

 

[FEZZILLA]

I had a friend that was SDA that use to get into that at times. He was so strict that he would not travel on the sabbath. But he would shop and that causes others to break the sabbath. Of course they go into this stuff about how no one is perfect. But I told him that when he kept the sabbath, then so would I. He did not think he would ever be able to keep the sabbath, but somehow he wanted or expected me to.

They believe that they're the only ones who have the perfect knowledge of scripture. Your friend expect you to because if you eventually never do, he will diown you because you have received the mark of the Beast...according to SDA Dubiology.

Continue teaching you loved one the Biblical truths. Do it with love and concern. Evolution is a postmodern view of paganism which has always been a rebellion against God. Make sure she understands what you are telling her! That is important!! Evolutionist use big fancy words that mean nothing, but ignorant people just hear them and say, "ok."

 

[FEZZILLA]

Yeah, origins is a whole different theory, abiogenesis. Evolution talks about what happened after life was already rolling along.

Evolution theory teaches that live came from non-life. Don't confuse it.

 

[rmwilliamsll]

Evolution theory teaches that live came from non-life. Don't confuse it.

No it does not.
evolutionary theory requires a replicator.
abiogenesis is the field that works on supplying a replicator from minerals etc via chemistry.
they are distinct fields of study.
abiogenesis is more a part of chemistry and physics than it is of biology.

 

[Mocca]

Continue teaching you loved one the Biblical truths. Do it with love and concern. Evolution is a postmodern view of paganism which has always been a rebellion against God.

If evolution is a postmodern view of paganism, then why does the Pope accept evolution? Why do most Christians worldwide accept evolution?

Make sure she understands what you are telling her! That is important!! Evolutionist use big fancy words that mean nothing, but ignorant people just hear them and say, "ok."

Just because you don't understand the words doesn't mean they don't mean anything.

 

[faster_jackrabbit]

Evolutionist use big fancy words that mean nothing, but ignorant people just hear them and say, "ok."

You mean like the big fancy pseudo-scientific words that creationists and ID proponents use when they pretend to be scientific?

 

[CFpetRESCUER15]

No, it is not the same. There are no choices for math and science. Math is math and science is science. There are many choices for religion. Will they be exposed to any of the others? Or the option of none?

As long as they are christian? Will they be familiar with anything else?

Now I was just going to read, but I decided to put input on this on thing.

Of course they will. In high school on of my best friends was Muslim and he & I had several great conversations about religion. My oldest brother was best friends with a boy that was Hindu. He never spoke of his religion much.

My best girlfriend in college actually tried different religions and came back to Christianity.

We all live in a big world and have to learn to deal with all aspects of it. Had a great Sunday School class where we got completely off topic and the kids were asking me questions about different religions and such. I had no problem answering questions and telling them why Christianity differs.

I am also a parent and yes if my child is asking me questions I am going to answer with the knowledge I have and challenge them to find more information. I will admit I know where I hope they go but that definately doesn't mean that is where they will go. Especially with my oldest, she is always questioning and pushing her limits. lol

 

[faster_jackrabbit]

Now I was just going to read, but I decided to put input on this on thing.

Of course they will. In high school on of my best friends was Muslim and he & I had several great conversations about religion. My oldest brother was best friends with a boy that was Hindu. He never spoke of his religion much.

My best girlfriend in college actually tried different religions and came back to Christianity.

We all live in a big world and have to learn to deal with all aspects of it. Had a great Sunday School class where we got completely off topic and the kids were asking me questions about different religions and such. I had no problem answering questions and telling them why Christianity differs.

I am also a parent and yes if my child is asking me questions I am going to answer with the knowledge I have and challenge them to find more information. I will admit I know where I hope they go but that definately doesn't mean that is where they will go. Especially with my oldest, she is always questioning and pushing her limits. lol

Well, that's a better answer than I got from the original poster.

One last question: do you force the kids to go to church, or is it totally up to them whether they go or not?

 

[Pats]

One last question: do you force the kids to go to church, or is it totally up to them whether they go or not?

I am not sure who you are addressing with this question.

My answer is, no. However, up to this point, it has never been an issue because my children want to go to church, even when they have the opportunity to stay with their dad and skip it.

 

[Pats]

Now I was just going to read, but I decided to put input on this on thing.

Of course they will. In high school on of my best friends was Muslim and he & I had several great conversations about religion. My oldest brother was best friends with a boy that was Hindu. He never spoke of his religion much.

My best girlfriend in college actually tried different religions and came back to Christianity.

We all live in a big world and have to learn to deal with all aspects of it. Had a great Sunday School class where we got completely off topic and the kids were asking me questions about different religions and such. I had no problem answering questions and telling them why Christianity differs.

I am also a parent and yes if my child is asking me questions I am going to answer with the knowledge I have and challenge them to find more information. I will admit I know where I hope they go but that definately doesn't mean that is where they will go. Especially with my oldest, she is always questioning and pushing her limits. lol

Thank you for adding your two cents. I agree with all of this and have had many of the same experiences. In fact, my sister turned to Wicca for several years before coming back to Christianity.

My son had influence in my decision that YEC was a little to literalist for me.

I do tell my children all about other religions, especially when the topic comes up by them asking questions. As I posted, I value my knowledge of other religions, expand it all the time, and want the same for my kids.

Although, it was asserted in this thread earlier that the kids will pick their parent's religion, "if it's the truth."

Considering all the religions chosen by people, I have to disagree.

 

[Illuminatus]

Help, my niece is being taught evolution!

Good. Hopefully, she won't turn out to be as ignorant as yourself.

All five of my kids were raised in public school and taught evolution. One child even went into college level science. All five decided that creation made more sense.

Let me guess...you live in either Alberta or Newfoundland.

 

[TheNewAge]

Good. Hopefully, she won't turn out to be as ignorant as yourself.

</p>She'll still have genetics to overcome...

 

[michabo]

Let me guess...you live in either Alberta or Newfoundland.

I'm scared to ask that question anymore, sometimes the answer is too unpleasant. Did you know there's an FLDS church in a small town in BC (Bountiful)? Polygamy and everything! There are weird things happening everywhere.

 

[CFpetRESCUER15]

Well, that's a better answer than I got from the original poster.

One last question: do you force the kids to go to church, or is it totally up to them whether they go or not?

I make them get up and not be lazy on Sunday morning, but they enjoy church and they pushed me to wake up when they are little. There have been times my oldest wanted to sleep over at a friends on Saturday and asked me to come pick her up before church, but I tell her no she has to choose(her friend is 30 min,one way, opposite direction from our church). Most the time she chooses church, but sometimes she goes to her friends, usually when they haven't spent much time together. That's ok.

There was a period it was hard to get them to church, especially since Dad doesn't usually go. Now they set their alarm clocks and know that most likely Dad won't be going, and definately won't show up for Sunday School. But we ladies go and enjoy our time at church.

 

[CFpetRESCUER15]

</p>She'll still have genetics to overcome...

Ok maybe i am not getting your comment, but ummm No not nice.

Sorry the mom pops out sometimes and I can't stop it.

We can all have different opinions, we don't call names.

 

[Illuminatus]

I'm scared to ask that question anymore, sometimes the answer is too unpleasant. Did you know there's an FLDS church in a small town in BC (Bountiful)? Polygamy and everything! There are weird things happening everywhere.

I can't even think of one person I could tolerate being married to, much less multiple people. Bizarre.

 

[TheNewAge]

Ok maybe i am not getting your comment, but ummm No not nice.

Sorry the mom pops out sometimes and I can't stop it.

We can all have different opinions, we don't call names.

Sorry, CFPetRescuer15. Sometimes my emotions get the better of me-- I am human as well.

But...if it thinks like an idiot, writes posts like an idiot, clutches onto strawmen like an idiot....we have... an idiot.