Help, my niece is being taught evolution!

[JohnR7]

Isn't it sad when children are targeted with this propaganda? Get them while they are young, and you'll have them for good. The Bible teaches that if you train up a child in the way he should go, when he is old he will not depart from it. (Proverbs 22:6) I think the same rule applies to many teachings, including false teachings. The Evolutionists know that the only way for their theory to thrive is to push it onto the public as fast as they can, as soon as they can, and as often as they can. http://www.drdino.com/articles.php?spec=118

Ok guys go at it. Give us your reaction to what the Creationist Dr. Dino things about the propaganda machine of the evolutionists.

 

[Spaceman_Spiff]

Ok guys go at it. Give us your reaction to what the Creationist Dr. Dino things about the propaganda machine of the evolutionists.

Isn't it sad when children are targeted with this propaganda? Get them while they are young, and you'll have them for good. The Bible teaches that if you train up a child in the way he should go, when he is old he will not depart from it. (Proverbs 22:6) I think the same rule applies to many teachings, including false teachings.

Yes that pesky bible and sunday school propoganda.

 

[urbanxy]

Talk about the pot calling the kettle black! I only wish Evolution had a Public Relations Dept. like the Creationism/ID Movement.

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[MrGoodBytes]

Ok guys go at it. Give us your reaction to what the Creationist Dr. Dino things about the propaganda machine of the evolutionists.

Layman Dino is probably the last man on earth who should accuse others of propaganda.

 

[StromRider]

Talk about the pot calling the kettle black! I only wish Evolution had a Public Relations Dept. like the Creationism/ID Movement.

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That about sums it up. It's ok for people to brainwash young kids with whatever their particular myth or superstition believes but we can't let their minds be clouded with with science and facts

 

[Loudmouth]

The Evolutionists know that the only way for their theory to thrive is to push it onto the public as fast as they can, as soon as they can, and as often as they can.

The largest support for evolution comes from the scientific community, the people most familiar with the evidence and the same people who actually use the theory (see thread on comparative genomics). Evolutionists don't need any support from the public, they have evidence on their side. What parents want is a quality science education, and the theory of evolution can not be excluded if that is what you are shooting for. Evolution is the foundation of biology, it permeates every field from microbiology to developmental biology. If you want good scientists in the next generation then they had better learn what the theory states because they will be expected to use it in top level courses and in their work as a scientist.

 

[MrGoodBytes]

Help, my niece is being taught maths! AND THEY EXCLUDE GOD FROM THEIR EQUATIONS!

 

[Athene]

Oh the irony!

Isn't it sad when children are targeted with this propaganda? Get them while they are young, and you'll have them for good.

and then

There are essentially two things that you can do from here. You can encourage the isolation of your niece, and get her out of that environment, or you can insulate her and prepare her for that environment. Isolation can be done through private Christian schooling, or even home schooling. Ministries like ours exist to help you insulate your children. Our desire is to get them ready to face this world and the things it will confront them with.

Get them while they're young and you'll have them for good.

 

[Pats]

Talk about the pot calling the kettle black! I only wish Evolution had a Public Relations Dept. like the Creationism/ID Movement.

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You think it doesn't?

I wonder where there are more children, Sunday School or Public School?

Further more, what else are responsible parents to do but teach their children what they believe? Will you teach your children something other than what you believe to be true?

 

[Loudmouth]

I wonder where there are more children, Sunday School or Public School?

That has nothing to do with this debate. Evolution is not atheism.

Further more, what else are responsible parents to do but teach their children what they believe? Will you teach your children something other than what you believe to be true?

What is the responsibility of public schools? To educate the public. How can they do this by excluding the foundational theory in the field of biology? Should we include Holocaust Denial in history class to appease white supremist parents?

 

[rmwilliamsll]

Oh the irony!



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Get them while they're young and you'll have them for good.

That is simply not true.

Even a group with extraordinary control over it's membership like the Old Order Amish manages to hold onto about 75% of it's children as they become adults.
see:
http://www.greenbaypressgazette.com...?AID=/20060520/GPG0406/605200378/1886/GPGlife

i wouldn't be surprised if dispensationalist, premil, fundamentalist, KJV only, baptist churches managed to retain less than 50% of their adult kids.

I know that this century the conservative Presbyterian churches have grown at roughly their natural increase via childbearing, therefore new converts just balances covenant children not joining the church.


where you are born is not destiny. you have lots of choices.

 

[Pats]

That has nothing to do with this debate. Evolution is not atheism.

How on earth did you conclude that I was refering to atheism here?

Talk about the pot calling the kettle black! I only wish Evolution had a Public Relations Dept. like the Creationism/ID Movement.

I wonder where there are more children, Sunday School or Public School?

I am responding to the claim in this statement that Creationism or the ID Movement have a better "PR Dept." than Evolution. None of wich has anything to do with atheism in the context of my post.

What is the responsibility of public schools? To educate the public. How can they do this by excluding the foundational theory in the field of biology? Should we include Holocaust Denial in history class to appease white supremist parents?

I think you may have misunderstood my post. I was not argueing whether public schools should or should not teach evolution, I was pointing out that they do.

Secondly, there is another arguement going on in this thread that the Bible (prov. 22:6) is somehow teaching Christians to "brainwash," as StormRider put it, children into believing in its teachings.

My response here was speaking to that, not the teachings of the public schools. My children and I can discuss what they've learned at school in our home. My arguement here is that, I am compeled as a parent to bring my own children up the way my consciouse dictates. I would hope every parent would do no less.

 

[NPH]

There are essentially two things that you can do from here. You can encourage the isolation of your niece, and get her out of that environment, or you can insulate her and prepare her for that environment. Isolation can be done through private Christian schooling, or even home schooling. Ministries like ours exist to help you insulate your children. Our desire is to get them ready to face this world and the things it will confront them with.

I can only hope that more religionists take this advice. It'll make it easier for my evolution-taught children to succeed in the world

 

[Scell]

My children and I can discuss what they've learned at school in our home. My arguement here is that, I am compeled as a parent to bring my own children up the way my consciouse dictates. I would hope every parent would do no less.

Does your conscious dictate you giving your children a choice in what to believe? having them decide for themselves what they feel is the truth?

I would hope every parent would do no less (although I know that is not going to happen anytime soon in this country/society)

 

[CthulhuDragon]

I can only hope that more religionists take this advice. It'll make it easier for my evolution-taught children to succeed in the world

That "insulation" that Hovind proscribes often backfires. I was raised in such an environment. I was taught all the typical young earth arguments (at the time it was the water canopy theory) and about how evolution was just a crazy theory about monkeys turning into men overnight.

When I got out of my father's protective cocoon in college, I realized I knew nothing about science. I did some research and came to the conclusion that evolution made the most sense.

When I came to the realization that I had been actively lied to and misled by the church leaders and teachers I turned my back on not only young earth creationism but on the church as a whole.

Definitely not the effect they had in mind.

 

[Pete Harcoff]

If people feel that threatened that they don't want their children to learn about evolution, then that's their perogative. Most people, after all, don't have any immediate use for it in their daily lives.

However, it should still be taught as part of a basic public school education given that it is foundational to biology. And especially so given some of the work into evolutionary biology that is being used in biology today. I wonder if more creationists knew about how evolutionary theory was applied (and how creationism isn't useful for anything) if there would still be as much controversy over the issue...

 

[JohnR7]

Even a group with extraordinary control over it's membership like the Old Order Amish manages to hold onto about 75% of it's children as they become adults.

That does not mean they quit being christians, it just means they leave the church that they grew up and were raised in. They tend to have big familys and they expect that not all the kids will stick to the old ways and the old traditions.

 

[JohnR7]

I realized I knew nothing about science.

I still get sucked in every now and then. I will read something on a creationist sight like the recent post about the cleaner fish. But then when I check into I will find out that the christian site did not give me very accurate information. That is why for me I try to give information to people so that when they go to check it out, then will find it at least somewhat factual and based on real science.

 

[JohnR7]

If people feel that threatened that they don't want their children to learn about evolution, then that's their perogative.

By law they are only required to get a 8th or 10th grade education and everyone has the option of being "home schooled". But they will be required to answer questions about evolution to qualify for a high school degree. Usually home schooled kids do better on those tests.

 

[Abongil]

Oh No, They Are Including A Part About Not God!!!!!