Help me to understand..

[MamaZ]

I keep hearing about Mary being queen of heaven.. Can someone please explain to me what her role is suppose to be there and where from scripture this has come from? I also keep hearing if we deny Mary we deny God.. Can this be further explained please..

 

[Sphinx777]

Queen_of_Heaven (Latin: Regina Caeli) is one of a number of titles used of the Virgin Mary. She is also sometimes referred to as Queen of Heaven and Earth. The title flows from the Catholic teaching that Mary, at the end of her earthly life, was bodily and spiritually assumed into heaven, and that she is there honored as Queen.
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The title has several sources:

• Mary is mother of the messianic king. Luke 1:32 says of Jesus, He will be great, and will be called the Son of the Most High; and the Lord God will give to him the throne of his father David. He will rule over the house of Jacob forever and his reign will be without end. It is therefore held in Christianity, that the throne of King David has passed to Jesus. The biblical precedent of ancient Israel is that the mother of the king becomes the Queen Mother - known in Hebrew as the gebirah. Since Jesus is heavenly king, of the lineage of David and Solomon, many see Mary as Queen Mother.

• The Roman Catholic Church also sees Mary crowned as queen in heaven in the Revelation 12, verses 1-5:

"1 A great and wondrous sign appeared in heaven: a woman clothed with the sun, with the moon under her feet and a crown of twelve stars on her head. 2 She was pregnant and cried out in pain as she was about to give birth. 3 Then another sign appeared in heaven: an enormous red dragon with seven heads and ten horns and seven crowns on his heads."

• Catholics believe that Psalm 45, "A Song Celebrating the King's Marriage," refers to the Messiah, and thus in verse 9 suggests that Jesus, the Messiah, would have a queen at his right hand. Although Mary was Jesus' mother, she is often portrayed as that queen. Other views are that Psalm 45 refers to the marriage of Jesus to His people -- i.e., the church which is called the "Bride of Christ" or that Psalms 45 is simply a celebration upon the marriage of an earthly king, giving thanks to God but not referring to the Messiah.

• It is also believed by those assigning a special significance to Mary, and believing in her Annunciation, that in Luke 1:26-35 of the New Testament the Archangel Gabriel seems to praise Mary, although she would otherwise be inferior to him. The exact relationship of angels to man, whether angels are inferior or superior to humans is a question debated within Christian theology.

• The regal status in heaven promised to Christians who have faithfully followed Jesus, is a theme in many books of the New Testament. As the prime exemplar of the faithful Christian, it is held that Mary's queenship is the first and most perfect fulfilment of that pledge.

The Coronation of the Virgin is a subject in art going back to the Middle Ages. It is also re-enacted in May crownings, traditional Roman Catholic rituals that occur in the month of May each year. An image or statue of the Blessed Virgin Mary is ceremonially crowned to signify her as Queen of Heaven and the Mother of God.

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[Sphinx777]

Hail Holy Queen

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[MamaZ]

Wow.. I am sorry but this sounds close to what God condemed in scripture. The Scripture in Revelation they seem to think belong to Mary. How do they come up with this? There is no marriage in heaven so therfore how can there be mother and dad for scripture tells us we only have one Father and that is God..

 

[WarriorAngel]

Wow.. I am sorry but this sounds close to what God condemed in scripture. The Scripture in Revelation they seem to think belong to Mary. How do they come up with this? There is no marriage in heaven so therfore how can there be mother and dad for scripture tells us we only have one Father and that is God..

Jesus is God...[but moving on]

i want to first ask 'where' you are getting that this is condemned in scriptures.


Let's start with that.

 

[pgp_protector]

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=x2osa8o8L-E

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Woopie Theology
(Love that movie)

 

[MamaZ]

Jesus is God...[but moving on]

i want to first ask 'where' you are getting that this is condemned in scriptures.


Let's start with that.

we see in scripture where they were elevating the queen of heaven in Jeremiah chapter 44

 

[WarriorAngel]

"The queen of heaven"... The moon, which they worshipped under this name.

 

[lionroar0]

we see in scripture where they were elevating the queen of heaven in Jeremiah chapter 44

A title does not mean the same person.

The title King of Kings is the persian title for the persian king. Which predates the birth of Jesus and continued for hundreds of years after His ressurection.

Jesus is also called the King of Kings.

Are they both the same person? Of course not.

Peace

 

[GregoryTurner]

Can no one else see that Mary was blessed, yes, however, not the mother of Jesus' divinity. He was before she was, therefore, how can she have given "birth" to Him.

 

[WarriorAngel]

There is a heresy back in the day [was it Arian] who wanted to divide the wholeness of Christ.

He is 100% man - 100% God.
And so you cannot seperate, divide or otherwise pull Him apart and deny who His Mother is.

She is the Mother of the Whole Jesus. Not of half.

Are you half a son for your mom?

 

[MamaZ]

Part being they were worshiping what they called the queen of heaven..God brought judgment to these people.. For there is only one God..

 

[WarriorAngel]

Yes, that is true.

Who worships Mary?
I dont.

I venerate her, I love her, and i honor her.
All things we must do for our own parents [altho imperfect]
And all things Jesus does for His own mother.

You understand veneration?

Quick definitions (venerate)

verb: regard with feelings of respect and reverence; consider hallowed or exalted or be in awe of.

Now we may or may not have complete awe of our own parents but once being a small child, we see our parents as perfect and imperfectly have awe for them.

But Jesus Who is perfect made it a point that we honor our parents.
And if HE honors His own Mother...
and we are called to imitate Him, then what should we do?

 

[WarriorAngel]

Going back to the 'queen of heaven' [the moon] this was a replacement of God.
Mary doesnt replace God.

She is His Queen...as Mother of the King of Kings.

Do you think He used her and disposed of her?
See my other thread ...

IF you could create your own mom....?

 

[MamaZ]

There is a heresy back in the day [was it Arian] who wanted to divide the wholeness of Christ.

He is 100% man - 100% God.
And so you cannot seperate, divide or otherwise pull Him apart and deny who His Mother is.

She is the Mother of the Whole Jesus. Not of half.

Are you half a son for your mom?

Number one point is that Mary was not Jesus mother until He became flesh. For He was before He became flesh.. Jesus did not come into being through Mary.. He is eternal. There is no marriage in Heaven so therefore there are no mothers and daddy's. We are all called bretheren..
Number three. Mary was indeed born of the seed of man.. Therefore she is a created being.. Jesus became flesh meaning that He was not from the seed of Man.. He is creator of man..

 

[WarriorAngel]

Number one point is that Mary was not Jesus mother until He became flesh. For He was before He became flesh.. Jesus did not come into being through Mary.. He is eternal. There is no marriage in Heaven so therefore there are no mothers and daddy's. We are all called bretheren..
Number three. Mary was indeed born of the seed of man.. Therefore she is a created being.. Jesus became flesh meaning that He was not from the seed of Man.. He is creator of man..

Point is still this...
God choose to come to the world thru His Mother.
So even more to ponder is...HE choose His mother.

We cant.

O, and if there are no daddy's...
Why do we pray the 'Our Father'?

Mary had to be human to give Christ His humanity.
IF She was not His Mother, and then no one was His Mother...
He would still be eternal, and we would have no hope.

You cannot seperate the humanity from the Divinity since it was HE Who choose to become human. And HE is 100% Man - 100% God.

IF He wasnt 100% man, then He wasnt able to 'become like us' to save us, and thus we are unsaved.

Again, check out the heresies Arian, Nestorian and i have to think about the others.

 

[MamaZ]

we have only one Father.. One.. God the Father.. We do not have a bunch of mommies and daddy's in heaven.. We have brothers and sisters and we are all adoped by God Himself through Jesus and the shed blood.. Not through Mary.

 

[WarriorAngel]

How did Jesus shed His Blood if He wasnt born of His Mother?

You are totally skipping B to jump to C, and you dont 'get it' that in order to get to C, God chose to have B...
And to have B, God doesnt use ppl and throw them away.

Are you saying you are saved by His Blood because He used and discarded His own Mother?

In order for 'you' to be saved, YOU - yes you - were in need of Mary's obedience.

 

[WarriorAngel]

A - C D E F G H I J K L M N O P Q R S T U V W X Y Z...

Doesnt make sense without the B, does it?

 

[MamaZ]

How did Jesus shed His Blood if He wasnt born of His Mother?

You are totally skipping B to jump to C, and you dont 'get it' that in order to get to C, God chose to have B...
And to have B, God doesnt use ppl and throw them away.

Are you saying you are saved by His Blood because He used and discarded His own Mother?

In order for 'you' to be saved, YOU - yes you - were in need of Mary's obedience.

In order for me to be saved I was in need of God.. For God is my redeemer.. Not Mary.. God has in no way thrown any one away.. You have quite a twisted reasoning here..Just because Mary is not the queen as you have tried to lead me to believe does not mean that God threw Mary away.. She has eternal life just as we all do through Christ.. This does not mean she sits at the right hand side of Jesus..