Help me to understand..

[MamaZ]

A - C D E F G H I J K L M N O P Q R S T U V W X Y Z...

Doesnt make sense without the B, does it?

It makes much better sense when we put it the way it is descibed to us.. A meaning Christ is eternal
B meaning Jesus became flesh
C meaning Christ died and shed His blood
D meaning Christ rose from the dead
C meaning Christ ascended back to where He descended from..

 

[WarriorAngel]

How can you have God, if Mary wasnt obedient to Him to give birth to Him?

So, who then, sits at the right hand?
As i said...He evidently has a right hand and God the Father already choose who would sit there.
And we know the Queen sits on the right hand of the King.

Didnt He say ......
Matthew 11
11 Amen I say to you, there hath not risen among them that are born of women a greater than John the Baptist: yet he that is the lesser in the kingdom of heaven is greater than he.
??

And what about what Mary said when she spoke to Elizabeth.

That He regarded the lowly handmaid...?

LUKE 1
46 And Mary said: My soul doth magnify the Lord. 47 And my spirit hath rejoiced in God my Saviour. 48 Because he hath regarded the humility of his handmaid; for behold from henceforth all generations shall call me blessed. 49 Because he that is mighty, hath done great things to me; and holy is his name. 50 And his mercy is from generation unto generations, to them that fear him.
51 He hath showed might in his arm: he hath scattered the proud in the conceit of their heart. 52 He hath put down the mighty from their seat, and hath exalted the humble. 53 He hath filled the hungry with good things; and the rich he hath sent empty away. 54 He hath received Israel his servant, being mindful of his mercy: 55 As he spoke to our fathers, to Abraham and to his seed for ever.

 

[WarriorAngel]

It makes much better sense when we put it the way it is descibed to us.. A meaning Christ is eternal
B meaning Jesus became flesh
C meaning Christ died and shed His blood
D meaning Christ rose from the dead
C meaning Christ ascended back to where He descended from..

Hmmm.
A B C D E...

 

[GregoryTurner]

And we know the Queen sits on the right hand of the King.

Ok, that statement is against scripture completely. Jesus sits at the right hand of the Father, not Mary nor any "queen"

Mar 14:62 And Jesus said, I am: and ye shall see the Son of man sitting on the right hand of power, and coming in the clouds of heaven.

These are the words of Jesus, not man or "tradition".

Grace be with you,
g

 

[MamaZ]

How can you have God, if Mary wasnt obedient to Him to give birth to Him?

God has always been and will always be.. He is the Alpha and the Omega.. I don't need Mary to have God.. I need Christ Jesus my Redeemer to have the Father.. The whole of Christianity is Christ.. For He is the foundation that has already been layed..

 

[MamaZ]

How can you have God, if Mary wasnt obedient to Him to give birth to Him?

God has always been and will always be.. He is the Alpha and the Omega.. I don't need Mary to have God.. I need Christ Jesus my Redeemer to have the Father.. The whole of Christianity is Christ.. For He is the foundation that has already been layed..

 

[lionroar0]

Can no one else see that Mary was blessed, yes, however, not the mother of Jesus' divinity. He was before she was, therefore, how can she have given "birth" to Him.

Birth /= creation.

Birth and creation are not equal.

Mary did not create Jesus divinity nor His Humanity.

She gave birth to Jesus who is both human and divine from the moment of His conception.

She gave birth to both His humanity and divinity into this world

Peace

 

[lionroar0]

Ok, that statement is against scripture completely. Jesus sits at the right hand of the Father, not Mary nor any "queen"

Mar 14:62 And Jesus said, I am: and ye shall see the Son of man sitting on the right hand of power, and coming in the clouds of heaven.

These are the words of Jesus, not man or "tradition".

Grace be with you,
g

And who is sitting at the right hand of Jesus?

Peace

 

[GregoryTurner]

Birth /= creation.

Birth and creation are not equal.

Mary did not create Jesus divinity nor His Humanity.

She gave birth to Jesus who is both human and divine from the moment of His conception.

She gave birth to both His humanity and divinity into this world

Peace

So you are saying His divinty was not there before?

Grace be with you,
g

 

[MamaZ]

He was already divine before He was birthed.. Meaning Mary was not the mother of His divinity.. For she did not give Him divinity through birth. She gave Him his flesh through birth.. So if she was not the mother of His divinity in the beginning how could she be the mother of His divinity now?

 

[lionroar0]

So you are saying His divinty was not there before?

Grace be with you,
g

What I'm saying is His divinity was there before and also His humanity was there before.

His divinity was there before, because He is God and His humanity was there before in Mary.

Both came together in the person of Jesus who is Divine and Human in the womb of Mary and she gave birth to Jesus by the power of the Holy Spirit.

Jesus the second person of the Trinity who is both human and divine did not exist till He was conceived in Mary's womb.

She did not create them.

Peace

 

[lionroar0]

He was already divine before He was birthed.. Meaning Mary was not the mother of His divinity.. For she did not give Him divinity through birth. She gave Him his flesh through birth.. So if she was not the mother of His divinity in the beginning how could she be the mother of His divinity now?

What I'm saying is His divinity was there before and also His humanity was there before.

His divinity was there before, because He is God and His humanity was there before in Mary.

Both came together in the person of Jesus who is Divine and Human in the womb of Mary and she gave birth to Jesus by the power of the Holy Spirit.

Jesus the second person of the Trinity who is both human and divine did not exist till He was conceived in Mary's womb.

She did not create them either but gave birth to both in the person of Jesus.


God's is eternal and in His wisdom he created Mary to be the perfect Vessel for this miracle to happen.

She was created and hand picked for this. No other woman through out time was nor will be. It's a singular honor. She had her humanity come together with the divinity of God and the second person of the Trinity was concieved and later was borned by the power of the Holy Spirit through Mary

Peace

 

[GregoryTurner]

Mr. lionroar0, am I reading your two above posts correctly where you state, "Jesus did not exist until He was coneived in Mary's womb"?

Grace be with you,
g

 

[Thekla]

Mr. lionroar0, am I reading your two above posts correctly where you state, "Jesus did not exist until He was coneived in Mary's womb"?

Grace be with you,
g

I don't get that from lionroars post at all:

His divinity was there before, because He is God

 

[MamaZ]

What I'm saying is His divinity was there before and also His humanity was there before.

His divinity was there before, because He is God and His humanity was there before in Mary.

Both came together in the person of Jesus who is Divine and Human in the womb of Mary and she gave birth to Jesus by the power of the Holy Spirit.

Jesus the second person of the Trinity who is both human and divine did not exist till He was conceived in Mary's womb.

She did not create them.

Peace

Jesus was before He became flesh and that was in Mary's womb.. In fact all things created were created through Him.. Nothing was created with out HIm.. Nothing..Jesus became flesh in Marys Womb.. Jesus did not become God in Mary's womb..

 

[MamaZ]

Jesus was already God the Son. We see Him in the OT described as THE Angel of the Lord..

 

[lionroar0]

Jesus was before He became flesh and that was in Mary's womb.. In fact all things created were created through Him.. Nothing was created with out HIm.. Nothing..Jesus became flesh in Marys Womb.. Jesus did not become God in Mary's womb..

Yes. He was God before he took on flesh. Yet He was still not the second person of the Trinity till He took on the flesh of Mary.

The second person of the Trinity is both Human and Divine. This was not fulfilled till He came in the Flesh. The OT prefigures this.

Peace

 

[lionroar0]

Mr. lionroar0, am I reading your two above posts correctly where you state, "Jesus did not exist until He was coneived in Mary's womb"?

Grace be with you,
g

He existed before He was conceived by Mary. He did not exist as the second person of the Trinity till He was conceived in Mary's womb.

The second person of the Trinity is both Human and Divine. Jesus as the second person of the Trinity did not exist till He was conceived in Mary.

Peace

 

[MamaZ]

He was always the second Eternal God of the Trinity. It was not until His birth that He became the Son of God.. This is true. But HE has always been the second in the triune God.. Therefore since He is eternal God that became flesh we see that Mary really only gave Him the flesh. For He has and always will be eternal God.

 

[WarriorAngel]

God has always been and will always be.. He is the Alpha and the Omega.. I don't need Mary to have God.. I need Christ Jesus my Redeemer to have the Father.. The whole of Christianity is Christ.. For He is the foundation that has already been layed..

You are mistaken if you think He would come and save us without being born.
He needed Mary, she responded.