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Help me move on from King Charles and Camila

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I know the whole King Charles/Camilla affair happened when I was really young too young to really fully grasp what was going on but it left me as a child well... angry. The whole affair STILL makes me angry inside. Why? Well now because I fully understand what the affair entailed. That King Charles was with Camilla repeatedly and cheated on Princess Diana not just once like my mother lead me to believe for so many years but repeatedly and deliberately. And he was carrying the title prince of Wales back then! He was my future king! He is now my king! And the worst part is? He's STILL living with his mistress! He's still supposed to be a man of God bearing God's holy image and hes unrepentant of his original adultery and his betrayal of his wife Princese Diana! It just makes me so angry!

And yet... I want to forgive him. I have to forgive him but its like... I can't let this go. Its like I completely understand what Prince Harry and Prince William to a degree are going through. Their mom was tragically killed and their father cheated on her repeatedly forcing her to file for divorce when she really didnt want to and now shes just... gone.

But the thing is? Like Prince Harry I dont know how to forgive him and he isnt my father hes just my king. A king that is supposed to be righteous and holy (a job that Prince William will be much more qualified for and Queen Elizabeth did so well for so many years) and yet, hes got a deep dark secret that he will never repent for and he will never leave Camilla. But... he doesnt have to do that to earn my forgiveness he just has to... idk take his job as king before God seriously I guess and repent? But that'll never happen so how do I move on from this and get on with my life... help?

I was wondering if somebody could help me forgive him because God commands us to forgive but also if they could give me some biblical advice on forgiveness.
 

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I know the whole King Charles/Camilla affair happened when I was really young too young to really fully grasp what was going on but it left me as a child well... angry. The whole affair STILL makes me angry inside. Why? Well now because I fully understand what the affair entailed. That King Charles was with Camilla repeatedly and cheated on Princess Diana not just once like my mother lead me to believe for so many years but repeatedly and deliberately. And he was carrying the title prince of Wales back then! He was my future king! He is now my king! And the worst part is? He's STILL living with his mistress! He's still supposed to be a man of God bearing God's holy image and hes unrepentant of his original adultery and his betrayal of his wife Princese Diana! It just makes me so angry!

And yet... I want to forgive him. I have to forgive him but its like... I can't let this go. Its like I completely understand what Prince Harry and Prince William to a degree are going through. Their mom was tragically killed and their father cheated on her repeatedly forcing her to file for divorce when she really didnt want to and now shes just... gone.

But the thing is? Like Prince Harry I dont know how to forgive him and he isnt my father hes just my king. A king that is supposed to be righteous and holy (a job that Prince William will be much more qualified for and Queen Elizabeth did so well for so many years) and yet, hes got a deep dark secret that he will never repent for and he will never leave Camilla. But... he doesnt have to do that to earn my forgiveness he just has to... idk take his job as king before God seriously I guess and repent? But that'll never happen so how do I move on from this and get on with my life... help?

I was wondering if somebody could help me forgive him because God commands us to forgive but also if they could give me some biblical advice on forgiveness.
Not as bad as Henry VIII.

Pray for him that he might possibly turn out right.

What else can you do if you don't want bitterness to reign in your heart?
 
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Not as bad as Henry VIII.

Pray for him that he might possibly turn out right.

What else can you do if you don't want bitterness to reign in your heart?

Its true. There's been worse kings out there. Think of Solomon with all of his adultery and how mad God must have been with him. I... I don't know. Maybe it hits me so hard because hes my king personally and it affects me personally and when I was a kid the affair affected me personally even though I didn't understand what an affair was. I still understood what marriage was and that he didnt want to be with Princess Diana anymore so the divorce affected me even as a kid because my mother taught me that marriage was a sacred vow from God between a man and a woman back then. I grew up thinking and believing that. I still believe that.

Youre right though. One way to move on from this is to pray for King Charles personally that he will repent to God and be the Godly king hes called to be. I can just imagine how furious Queen Elizabeth must have been when she found out about the affair though but she obviously moved on from it. If she could move on from it, I can too.
 
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According to what I've read he has incurable cancer. Possibly pancreatic cancer. Maybe praying that he doesn't suffer much in what time he has left to live will help.

Yeah. He’s sick with cancer and receiving treatment right now. Nobody knows exactly what kind because it’s never been officially confirmed or leaked to the media and he hasn’t said himself.


He was also sick with COVID during the early part of the pandemic but recovered from that. I remember he had to isolate from Queen Elizabeth for a while. It became a big scare especially because he got sick just before a planned meeting with her. For a while they didn’t know if she had caught it too.


It could have been a major crisis losing both the Sovereign and the Prince of Wales within weeks of each other so there was a major panic. Thankfully, she ended up being fine and Charles recovered.

Anyway, I guess prayer is the easiest way to move on. I have to admit I didnt really consider that I've just mostly been watching the news in shock not believing what im seeing half the time.
 
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Yeah. He’s sick with cancer and receiving treatment right now. Nobody knows exactly what kind because it’s never been officially confirmed or leaked to the media and he hasn’t said himself.


He was also sick with COVID during the early part of the pandemic but recovered from that. I remember he had to isolate from Queen Elizabeth for a while. It became a big scare especially because he got sick just before a planned meeting with her. For a while they didn’t know if she had caught it too.


It could have been a major crisis losing both the Sovereign and the Prince of Wales within weeks of each other so there was a major panic. Thankfully, she ended up being fine and Charles recovered.

Anyway, I guess prayer is the easiest way to move on. I have to admit I didnt really consider that I've just mostly been watching the news in shock not believing what im seeing half the time.
I'd steer away from that. The royal family is a real life soap opera that's too easy to get sucked into.
 
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I'd steer away from that. The royal family is a real life soap opera that's too easy to get sucked into.

Indeed. Its nice to know whats going on sometimes like when the King makes a trip to Canada or when something big happens or (god forbid) when he passes away and William takes the throne but mostly I watch the news for big major news. Like when the affair was divorce was fresh my mom and I watched the news and when Diana passed I learned about what happened on the news I was like 9 or 10 when she passed away. News like that is worth knowing. But when King Charles and Camila and just being their usual selves and just getting to me... yeah probably just better to switch that off.
 
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I recommend letting go of this idea: "A king ... is supposed to be righteous and holy." He's just a human being, like everyone else, except that he happened to be the oldest child of a sovereign and now holds the job of serving as sovereign himself. Not a hero, not a villain, just a human being. Let him be the ceremonial figurehead that his nation needs him to be, but don't ask him to be more than that. It's too much for any one person to carry.

I'll note that if you're American, he's not your king, so you can leave it to the UK and the Commonwealth to sort out. (If you're Canadian, then I suppose he is your king. Your profile says you're in the US, but I don't remember which side of the border you were born on.)

I'll also note that his sins aren't yours, or mine, to forgive. He sinned against his former wife and children, and they're the ones with the right to grant or withhold forgiveness. We're just spectators peeking in at his private life. We have no idea what conversations have happened in private with his family, or what regrets he may have. Mercifully, most of my sins have been private, so I don't have to endure seeing them on the evening news.

I note further that regardless of what came before, once he was widowed, King Charles was free to remarry. He's not living with a mistress now; he's living with his lawfully wedded wife. Given that none of us has the power to change the past, I think his best path forward is to live faithfully with Queen Camilla and to do his best to work for the welfare of the UK and the Commonwealth.
 
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And yet... I want to forgive him. I have to forgive him but its like... I can't let this go

David and Moses were both murderers. Is what Charles did worse than Hitler, Stalin, or Mao? We are all sinful which is why we need God's grace. We should be thankful we do not know more about celebrities. Think about how difficult it is for people like police and nurses who deal with what people are really like everyday.

Since he has not asked for your forgiveness, you are not required to "forgive" him. It may help to pray for him that he would get saved and if he is saved, that he learn to walk by the Spirit.
 
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I recommend letting go of this idea: "A king ... is supposed to be righteous and holy." He's just a human being, like everyone else, except that he happened to be the oldest child of a sovereign and now holds the job of serving as sovereign himself. Not a hero, not a villain, just a human being. Let him be the ceremonial figurehead that his nation needs him to be, but don't ask him to be more than that. It's too much for any one person to carry.

I'll note that if you're American, he's not your king, so you can leave it to the UK and the Commonwealth to sort out. (If you're Canadian, then I suppose he is your king. Your profile says you're in the US, but I don't remember which side of the border you were born on.)

I'll also note that his sins aren't yours, or mine, to forgive. He sinned against his former wife and children, and they're the ones with the right to grant or withhold forgiveness. We're just spectators peeking in at his private life. We have no idea what conversations have happened in private with his family, or what regrets he may have. Mercifully, most of my sins have been private, so I don't have to endure seeing them on the evening news.

I note further that regardless of what came before, once he was widowed, King Charles was free to remarry. He's not living with a mistress now; he's living with his lawfully wedded wife. Given that none of us has the power to change the past, I think his best path forward is to live faithfully with Queen Camilla and to do his best to work for the welfare of the UK and the Commonwealth.
Well put.

To the OP, stop expecting people to be perfect. Look to Jesus, not others.

Did you know that Charles and Camilla wanted to marry, long before he met Diana, but were prevented from doing so? The people who prevented them (not his parents, as far as I know) are the ones I'm a bit annoyed with.

As for the adultery - yes, it was a sin, but it's not unforgivable and I understand that they have repented. In any case that is between them and God. What did Jesus say to those who wanted to cast stones at the adulterous woman? I suggest that you do the same and drop your stone and get on with your life. I'm wondering why you are so angry though. Is it touching issues in your own life? If so, I would deal with them.

I'm British and am almost the same age as King Charles. Over my life, I have seen him serve our country and the Commonwealth in many good ways. It must be a great strain living in the public eye and he has done so with a good grace and pleasant manner. Concentrate on that, not on his sin.
 
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I recommend letting go of this idea: "A king ... is supposed to be righteous and holy." He's just a human being, like everyone else, except that he happened to be the oldest child of a sovereign and now holds the job of serving as sovereign himself. Not a hero, not a villain, just a human being. Let him be the ceremonial figurehead that his nation needs him to be, but don't ask him to be more than that. It's too much for any one person to carry.

I'll note that if you're American, he's not your king, so you can leave it to the UK and the Commonwealth to sort out. (If you're Canadian, then I suppose he is your king. Your profile says you're in the US, but I don't remember which side of the border you were born on.)

I'll also note that his sins aren't yours, or mine, to forgive. He sinned against his former wife and children, and they're the ones with the right to grant or withhold forgiveness. We're just spectators peeking in at his private life. We have no idea what conversations have happened in private with his family, or what regrets he may have. Mercifully, most of my sins have been private, so I don't have to endure seeing them on the evening news.

I note further that regardless of what came before, once he was widowed, King Charles was free to remarry. He's not living with a mistress now; he's living with his lawfully wedded wife. Given that none of us has the power to change the past, I think his best path forward is to live faithfully with Queen Camilla and to do his best to work for the welfare of the UK and the Commonwealth.

But the thing is we learn from the Bible what God expects a king to be. While its true that no king is perfect a king is supposed to reflect God's holiness and I disagree with you there.

Queen Elizabeth may have had her flaws but she was a good queen because she took religion seriously and she took her position as head of state and under the council of God seriously. She fought so hard to protect religious freedoms and she tried so hard to reflect God's holiness in her character and demeanor. She understood what it meant to be a good and proper Queen. King Charles on the other hand, doesnt. He's loyal to the people, yes but he isnt loyal to the church and to his standings with God like his mother was.

A monarch is not just a regular person like a pastor or a judge isnt a regular person. Theyre people of God. They're supposed to reflect God's holiness not act like the devil and God judges people of authority harsher than he does you and me. But, maybe I'm taking it a tad too far and thinking anout this a tad too much. Idk...
 
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Well put.

To the OP, stop expecting people to be perfect. Look to Jesus, not others.

Did you know that Charles and Camilla wanted to marry, long before he met Diana, but were prevented from doing so? The people who prevented them (not his parents, as far as I know) are the ones I'm a bit annoyed with.

As for the adultery - yes, it was a sin, but it's not unforgivable and I understand that they have repented. In any case that is between them and God. What did Jesus say to those who wanted to cast stones at the adulterous woman? I suggest that you do the same and drop your stone and get on with your life. I'm wondering why you are so angry though. Is it touching issues in your own life? If so, I would deal with them.

I'm British and am almost the same age as King Charles. Over my life, I have seen him serve our country and the Commonwealth in many good ways. It must be a great strain living in the public eye and he has done so with a good grace and pleasant manner. Concentrate on that, not on his sin.

Its not that I expect King Charles to be perfect. No king has EVER been perfect even Queen Elizabeth one of the greatest Monarchs of all time in my opinion had her flaws. But I do expect him to be the holy king that God calls him to be. That her majesty Queen Elizabeth tried to get him to be. I didnt know that they wanted to marry before he met Diana like I said i was very young when the whole scandal happened and young when Diana passed away.

There's actually two facts we can derive from the affair though. 1. God clearly wanted the affair to happen because it happened and God has blessed King Charles with a long life and could have ended his reign before it even began if he wanted to. After all Queen Elizabeth reigned for a very, very long time. 2. The affair was a learning experience for the royal family and for the Commonwealth. I am glad that you consider Charles a good king and see past his faults though. I wish I could do the same someday.
 
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Didn’t Charles like Camilla long before his marriage to Diana was arranged? Was Camilla not considered a proper spouse for Charles and poor Diana was basically chosen to be an appropriate mother to any royal heirs? Diana was the biggest victim in all of this but Charles & Camilla also seem to have been shortchanged also ( although they share blame for Diana’s difficulties also).
 
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Didn’t Charles like Camilla long before his marriage to Diana was arranged? Was Camilla not considered a proper spouse for Charles and poor Diana was basically chosen to be an appropriate mother to any royal heirs? Diana was the biggest victim in all of this but Charles & Camilla also seem to have been shortchanged also ( although they share blame for Diana’s difficulties also).
Yes, I agree with that. Here's a link to some info about it.
 
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Its not that I expect King Charles to be perfect. No king has EVER been perfect even Queen Elizabeth one of the greatest Monarchs of all time in my opinion had her flaws. But I do expect him to be the holy king that God calls him to be. That her majesty Queen Elizabeth tried to get him to be. I didnt know that they wanted to marry before he met Diana like I said i was very young when the whole scandal happened and young when Diana passed away.

There's actually two facts we can derive from the affair though. 1. God clearly wanted the affair to happen because it happened and God has blessed King Charles with a long life and could have ended his reign before it even began if he wanted to. After all Queen Elizabeth reigned for a very, very long time. 2. The affair was a learning experience for the royal family and for the Commonwealth. I am glad that you consider Charles a good king and see past his faults though. I wish I could do the same someday.
I appreciate that you were young at the time, whereas I am Charles and Camilla's generation, so we would see things a bit differently. Also I'm sorry if my previous answer was a bit abrupt. Reading it again, I felt like I may have come across as rather harsh, for which I apologise. My intentions were good though- to try and help you get beyond your anger.

It's lovely to read what you said about Queen Elizabeth. I believe one of the reasons she carried on to the very end was her Coronation Oath to God. I agree that she was one of the greatest monarchs of all time. I think Queen Victoria was another - there were a great many social reforms during her reign. Her uncles, who preceded her, were another matter where sexual behaviour was concerned. So King Charles is not the only monarch to have strayed in that area, although that doesn't excuse it of course. But I'm a sinner too, so how can I throw stones?

However I cannot agree with your point about God wanting the affair to happen as that would contravene scripture, which says that adultery is a sin. However, it is forgivable, if the people repent (as King David showed that he did - see Psalm 51). Something I've had to realise, during my life, is that forgiving is not the same as excusing. Forgiving is when someone should not have done something but you forgive them anyway. To be honest, I think that is when we discover real love (Christian love not romantic love). Also I know that there are many who have had to forgive me and, above all, God forgives us and requires us to do the same (see Matthew 18 v 21-35).

You mention about kings being called to be Godly, and in your post to PloverWing you say that the Bible shows us how kings should behave. However, they were kings of Israel: God's chosen people. Since the Resurrection the 'New Israel' is the Church, so I would argue that those requirements apply to Church leaders rather than to secular monarchs. Of course they are good qualities to have, but I'm not sure if it's possible to live by them without being a born-again believer and I don't know how many monarchs, world-wide, have accepted Jesus as their Saviour.

I'm a bit muddled in my thinking about mixing church and state. In some ways I'd prefer separation of church and state, as long as the state makes good laws, as I think the true church would stand out more clearly.

I hope that helps and I'm praying that you find peace in this matter. God bless.
 
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I saw the 2006 film: The Queen with Helen Mirren years back which was about the royals when Diana perished in the 1997 car accident. It seemed like a well done portrayal of the tension between the public, the monarchy & the interesting support of Tony Blair for the monarchy. Charles seemed to have genuine feelings for Diana despite their failed marriage.


 
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