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Discussion in 'Controversial Christian Theology' started by WebersHome, Jun 19, 2017.

  1. Blood Bought 1953

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    YES..YES..YES.......a thousands times YES! So simple it has become a stumbling block for many
     
  2. WebersHome

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    Continuing from post #279

    The gospel preached by the apostle Paul contains a class action indictment against not just some impiety and some unrighteousness, nor against the worst kinds of impiety and unrighteousness; rather, against everything that's impious and unrighteous. (Rom 1:18)

    The main points of the indictment are:

    1● Suppressing the truth about what's truly right and what's truly wrong. (Rom 1:18)

    2● Ignoring the evidence of nature that the cosmos-- all of is forms of life, matter, and energy --is the product of intelligent design, (Rom 1:19-20)

    3● Replacing the genuine God with artificial substitutes. (Rom 1:21-23)

    4● Revising the facts about God with fiction, fantasy, and imagination. (Rom 1:25a)

    5● Placing more importance upon the value of nature than upon the value of the maker of nature. (Rom 1:25b)

    6● Perverting normal bedroom activities and affections, i.e. LGBT. (Rom 1:26-27)

    7● Living one's life uncaring about how God might feel about anything. (Rom 1:28)

    8● Indifference to what is widely known to be divine consequences. (Rom 1:32)


    POPULATION CLOCK UPDATE: 153 days have elapsed since beginning the thread. If the figures in post #1 are within reason, then something like 9,291,690, new arrivals have checked into the fiery sector of hades since June 19, 2017.

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  3. WebersHome

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    Rom 1:16-17 . . I am not ashamed of the gospel of Christ . . For therein is the righteousness of God revealed.

    The righteousness of God is often accused of being unrighteous. But you know; God's righteousness doesn't have to be truly righteous. The thing is; God's righteousness is on His own terms, i.e. it's whatever God decides to say is righteous because He's a powerful despot who's in a very good position to have everything His own way.


    POPULATION CLOCK UPDATE: 156 days have elapsed since beginning the thread. If the figures in post #1 are within reason, then something like 9,473,880 new arrivals have checked into the fiery sector of hades since June 19, 2017.

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  4. WebersHome

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    It's sometimes proposed that Noah could have jumped off the Ark had he been inclined. Well; I seriously doubt that Noah would have done something so foolhardy. But no matter, because according to Gen 7:16, he was shut in.

    The Lord not only shut him in, but sealed him in too. The hatch to hull mating surfaces had to be waterproofed with bitumen the same as all the rest of the hull. (Gen 6:14)

    The Hebrew word for "shut" actually means to shut up; like as when a corral gate is closed to pen livestock and/or the door of a jail cell is locked to confine a convict. In other words, Noah was trapped inside the Ark by a door that could be opened only from the outside. That's interesting. It means that once the Ark's door was sealed, Noah's free will no longer mattered; it was trumped by the free will of a higher power; and were he, or anybody else inside, to change their mind about going, it was too late.

    Rev 1:9-18 . . I, John, your brother and companion in the suffering and kingdom and patient endurance that are ours in Jesus, was on the island of Patmos because of the word of God and the testimony of Jesus. On the Lord's Day I was in the Spirit, and I heard behind me a loud voice like a trumpet, which said: "Write on a scroll what you see and send it to the seven churches: to Ephesus, Smyrna, Pergamum, Thyatira, Sardis, Philadelphia and Laodicea."

    . . . I turned around to see the voice that was speaking to me. And when I turned I saw seven golden lampstands, and among the lampstands was someone like a son of man, dressed in a robe reaching down to his feet and with a golden sash around his chest. His head and hair were white like wool, as white as snow, and his eyes were like blazing fire. His feet were like bronze glowing in a furnace, and his voice was like the sound of rushing waters. In his right hand he held seven stars, and out of his mouth came a sharp double-edged sword. His face was like the sun shining in all its brilliance.

    . . .When I saw him, I fell at his feet as though dead. Then he placed his right hand on me and said: "Do not be afraid. I am the First and the Last. I am the Living one; I was dead, and behold I am alive for ever and ever! And I hold the keys of death and Hades."

    Rev 3:7 . . What he opens no one can shut, and what he shuts no one can open.


    POPULATION CLOCK UPDATE: 161 days have elapsed since beginning the thread. If the figures in post #1 are within reason, then something like 9,777,530 new arrivals have checked into the fiery sector of hades since June 19, 2017.

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  5. WebersHome

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    When certain personality types stand before God in judgment; I seriously doubt they'll be inclined to kneel or bow and talk to Him in soft respectful tones. No: they will be assertive, indignant, loud, confrontational, and furious; they will argue vehemently, pointing out where He is a hypocrite and a liar; throwing it up at Him that He's supposed to be a God of love.

    When those kinds of people are brought up to face justice at the Great White Throne event as per Rev 20:11-15, I suspect they will be shackled in body chains and escorted by angelic corrections officers to prevent them from lunging at the person appointed by God to pass judgment on their behavior: none other than the sweet little baby away in a manger.

    John 5:22 . . Moreover, the Father judges no one, but has entrusted all judgment to the Son

    Acts 17:31 . . God has fixed a day in which He will judge the world in righteousness through a man whom He has appointed, having furnished proof to all by raising him from the dead.

    People who have been led to believe that God is a God of love and nothing but love are in for a terrible awakening; but by then, it will be too late.


    POPULATION CLOCK UPDATE: 166 days have elapsed since beginning the thread. If the figures in post #1 are within reason, then something like 10,081,180 new arrivals have checked into the fiery sector of hades since June 19, 2017.

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  6. ClementofA

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    "As for me I say that those who are tormented in hell are tormented by the invasion of love. What is there more bitter and violent than the pains of love? Those who feel they have sinned against love bear in themselves a damnation much heavier than the most dreaded punishments. The suffering with which sinning against love afflicts the heart is more keenly felt than any other torment. It is absurd to assume that the sinners in hell are deprived of God’s love. Love is offered impartially. But by its very power it acts in two ways. It torments sinners, as happens here on earth when we are tormented by the presence of a friend to whom we have been unfaithful. And it gives joy to those who have been faithful."

    Words from St. Isaac of Syria - Glory to God for All Things

    St Isaac the Syrian: Hell and the Scourge of Divine Love

    Lamentations 3:22 and 3:31-33, The steadfast love of the Lord NEVER ceases, his mercies NEVER come to an end. . . .
    Lam.3:31 For the Lord will NOT cast off FOR EVER:
    32 For if He causes grief, Then He will have compassion According to His abundant lovingkindness. 33 For He does not afflict willingly Or grieve the SONS OF MEN.…

    Scholar's Corner: The Center for Bible studies in Christian Universalism
     
  7. SBC

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    Hell's Population Clock~

    Probably like comparing who has a Timex watch with who has a LeCoultre watch.

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  8. WebersHome

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    The term "sin nature" found in some versions of the Bible, is actually an interpretation rather than a translation. I suspect somebody coined it as a substitute for the flesh that Paul often spoke of in his letters.

    Rom 8:8 . .They that are in the flesh cannot please God.

    The koiné Greek word for flesh is sarx (sarx); which basically indicates the meaty parts of either man or beast. The meat of the human body would of course include the 3-pound lump of flabby organic tissue housed within humanity's bony little skulls sufficing for a mind; and it's not all that difficult to tamper with a brain and make its owner quite mindless.

    The meaty parts of the human body are the source of a human being's human nature and it isn't all that difficult to define. Webster's says its (1) the ways of thinking, feeling, and acting that are common to most people, and (2) the nature of humans; especially the fundamental dispositions and traits of humans.

    Ironically, when God finished assembling the cosmos with its various forms of life, matter, and energy; He pronounced it all not just good; but "very" good (Gen 1:31). In other words, God was satisfied that the human body came out just exactly as He designed it to come out; but it didn't stay that way.

    When people do something contrary to their better judgment; it's very common to hear them complain "I don't know what came over me." Well; the thing that came over them was their own body exerting its fundamental dispositions and traits; viz: the human body literally has a mind of its own; it constantly, and perpetually, competes with its host for control of their thoughts, their speech, and their conduct, and more often than not wins.

    When I was a growing boy my dad was always telling me that I was my own worst enemy. I think that maybe the apostle Paul would have agreed with my dad because he too was his own worst enemy.

    Rom 7:18 . . For I know that in me (that is, in my flesh,) dwelleth no good thing

    Rom 7:24 . .What a wretched man I am! Who will rescue me from this body of death?


    POPULATION CLOCK UPDATE: 170 days have elapsed since beginning the thread. If the figures in post #1 are within reason, then something like 10,324,100 new arrivals have checked into the fiery sector of hades since June 19, 2017.

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  9. WebersHome

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    There are some people about whom it can honestly be said that the world is a better place with them gone. But even more so is the fact that they won't be coming back to disturb the tranquility of Messiah's new world order.

    Ps 37:10-11 . . For yet a little while and the wicked shall be no more; indeed, you will look carefully for his place, but it shall be no more. But the meek shall inherit the earth, and shall delight themselves in the abundance of peace.

    Isa 9:7 . . Of the increase of his government and peace there will be no end. He will reign on David's throne and over his kingdom, establishing and upholding it with justice and righteousness from that time on and forever. The zeal of the Lord Almighty will accomplish this.


    POPULATION CLOCK UPDATE: 178 days have elapsed since beginning the thread. If the figures in post #1 are within reason, then something like 10,809,940 new arrivals have checked into the fiery sector of hades since June 19, 2017.

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  10. WebersHome

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    Well, since my baby left me,
    I found a new place to dwell.
    It's down at the end of lonely street
    At Heartbreak Hotel.

    And although it's always crowded,
    You still can find some room.

    (Elvis Presley, Heartbreak Hotel, 1956)

    Sometimes when people are poured a beverage; they're instructed to say "when". One thing about death that's certain; it never says when.

    Prov 30:15-16 . . There are three things that will not be satisfied, four that will not say, "enough".

    Well; one of those four is a place called sheol; which is often translated: the grave.


    POPULATION CLOCK UPDATE: 182 days have elapsed since beginning the thread. If the figures in post #1 are within reason, then something like 11,052,860 new arrivals have checked into the fiery sector of hades since June 19, 2017.

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  11. WebersHome

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    2Cor 5:1-4 . . For we know that if our earthly house of this tabernacle were dissolved, we have a building of God, an house not made with hands, eternal in the heavens. For in this we groan, earnestly desiring to be clothed upon with our house which is from heaven: If so be that being clothed we shall not be found naked. For we that are in this tabernacle do groan, being burdened: not for that we would be unclothed, but clothed upon, that mortality might be swallowed up of life.

    The koiné Greek word for "naked" in that passage is gumnos (goom-nos') which implies full frontal.

    That passage got me to thinking there's a possibility that when the lost stand to face justice at the great white throne event depicted at Rev 20:11-15, they'll be indecent; and far from bullet proof, their bodies will be susceptible to severe injury; even death.


    POPULATION CLOCK UPDATE: 185 days have elapsed since beginning the thread. If the figures in post #1 are within reason, then something like 11,235,050 new arrivals have checked into the fiery sector of hades since June 19, 2017.

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    Matt 27:45 . . From the sixth hour until the ninth hour darkness came over all the land.

    What do you suppose went on during those three hours of thick darkness around the cross? Well; I'll tell you what went on because I'm not authorized to keep it a secret. The things that the Romans did to Christ were merely a warm up for the main event. When the darkness came; that's when God stepped into the ring; and the gloves came off.

    When the darkness lifted, people saw a Jesus so beaten and bloodied beyond recognition that they could scarcely tell he was the same man.

    Isa 52:14 . .There were many who were appalled at him-- his appearance was so disfigured beyond that of any man, and his form marred beyond human likeness.

    Isa 53:10 . . But The Lord was pleased to crush him, putting him to grief

    I have to wonder how ever a father could do something like that to his own son; especially do that for a world that wouldn't even appreciate that the injuries God personally inflicted upon His own son were for their benefit.

    If God would do that kind of damage to His own son, what do you suppose He has in store for skeptics in this day and age who mock Jesus and make remarks about him? Well . .that's not too hard to figure out is it? Fair's fair. At the very least, they will be beaten and bloodied beyond recognition, same as he was.


    NOTE: Mary Magdalena was in the audience that day and saw everything (John 19:28). Well; it's no mystery to me that she didn't recognize Christ right away in the cemetery seeing as how the last time she saw him he was an ashen corpse, beaten and bloodied beyond recognition, crowned with thorns (John 19:2), and virtually stark naked (John 19:23). The last person on earth that Mary expected to encounter out at the cemetery was her master all cleaned up, fully clothed, and alive and well because that was definitively not the way she remembered him.

    POPULATION CLOCK UPDATE: 193 days have elapsed since beginning the thread. If the figures in post #1 are within reason, then something like 11,720,890 new arrivals have checked into the fiery sector of hades since June 19, 2017.

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