Hello fellow Reformers

[PresbyGal]

Yesterday at 08:05 AM Reformationist said this in Post #20





Hmmm...well, that's a big subject.  Basically it is the belief that man fell from grace, there was a radical change in his nature, God unconditionally set aside a people for His Son, brings them back to life and conforms them to the image of His Son.



Don

Don, I'm confused, how is that different from any other Christian  belief?

Reformed faith refers to those churches that came about during and after the Reformantion (i.e. Lutheran, Epischopal, Presbyterian, Methodist) The term comes from the concept of reforming the Catholic Church because of abuses and corruption.  When you say you are a "reformist" that implys you're affliated with a church who follows the reformed tradition. Actually, I would say most Protestants could call themselves reformist because they are a split off from the reformation. The word Protestant comes from the word "protest" which is what we did and in turned "reformed" the church.

Peace,

Janine

 

[Gabriel]

If I may...... The Protestant branches that still adhere to the COMPLETE doctrine of the original reformers believe in Calvin's view of predestination/election rather than the Arminian view. Many, if not most, protestant churches today believe that Christ died for ALL (every single one) people, while we, as you know, believe that Christ died to redeem His elect alone (Limited Atonement).

This board is mostly Arminian in theology. Just a handful of us around.

 

[PresbyGal]

Today at 05:50 PM Gabriel said this in Post #22

If I may...... The Protestant branches that still adhere to the COMPLETE doctrine of the original reformers believe in Calvin's view of predestination/election rather than the Arminian view. Many, if not most, protestant churches today believe that Christ died for ALL (every single one) people, while we, as you know, believe that Christ died to redeem His elect alone (Limited Atonement).

This board is mostly Arminian in theology. Just a handful of us around.

Hi Gab,

 He is using the wrong term for what he is trying to say. Reformed refers to reforming the Catholic church, period. As far as predestination, I will look it up in our Book Of confessions but I remember being told the church no longer holds that view. It's outdated at best. That could be one of our differences Gab.

So, he should be calling himself a calvinist not reformer in my opinion. As far as I've know, the Presbyterian church is the only one that followed the belief of predestination.

I find that these boards are so full of misconceptions of current doctrines of the mainline churhes. That would be great if we had them posted on this site so we could refer to them. It would end alot of misunderstandings.

your fellow frozen choosen presbie

Janine

 

[chelcb]

Today at 07:43 PM PresbyGal said this in Post #21

Don, I'm confused, how is that different from any other Christian  belief?

Reformed faith refers to those churches that came about during and after the Reformantion (i.e. Lutheran, Epischopal, Presbyterian, Methodist) The term comes from the concept of reforming the Catholic Church because of abuses and corruption.  When you say you are a "reformist" that implys you're affliated with a church who follows the reformed tradition. Actually, I would say most Protestants could call themselves reformist because they are a split off from the reformation. The word Protestant comes from the word "protest" which is what we did and in turned "reformed" the church.

Peace,

Janine


Preach it sister!

 

[Reformationist]

Yesterday at 05:43 PM PresbyGal said this in Post #21

Don, I'm confused, how is that different from any other Christian  belief?

Hang around this MB for awhile, you'll see. 

Reformed faith refers to those churches that came about during and after the Reformantion (i.e. Lutheran, Epischopal, Presbyterian, Methodist) The term comes from the concept of reforming the Catholic Church because of abuses and corruption.  When you say you are a "reformist" that implys you're affliated with a church who follows the reformed tradition. Actually, I would say most Protestants could call themselves reformist because they are a split off from the reformation. The word Protestant comes from the word "protest" which is what we did and in turned "reformed" the church.

Be that as it may, most mainstream Protestant churches do not adhere to the doctrines espoused by the original reformers.  "Protestant" covers a very wide variety of beliefs and many Protestant faiths aren't that far removed from Catholic teaching.  "Reformed" doctrines, while initally referring to the doctrines espoused by Luther and his clerical progeny, cannot truly refer to many of the doctrines touted by much of Christiandom today. 

God bless

 

[PresbyGal]

Today at 08:19 AM Reformationist said this in Post #25

Hang around this MB for awhile, you'll see. 



Be that as it may, most mainstream Protestant churches do not adhere to the doctrines espoused by the original reformers.  "Protestant" covers a very wide variety of beliefs and many Protestant faiths aren't that far removed from Catholic teaching.  "Reformed" doctrines, while initally referring to the doctrines espoused by Luther and his clerical progeny, cannot truly refer to many of the doctrines touted by much of Christiandom today. 

God bless

Hey Reformationist thanks for getting back over this way I'm in one of those mainstream churches and I'm gald we don't follow the old reformers anymore..so I guess that makes us very different. I do find it very interesting that you would follow Calvin so closely. Please don't take offense but wouldn't that be like calling yourself republican because you follow Teddy Roosevelt. TR's trust busting and creation of national parks system would run contrary with today's republican party.

The reformation needed to happen yes! but we are becoming aware of what we lost in the process..I like some of the rituals of our Catholic friends.

Peace,

Janine

 

[Reformationist]

Today at 02:18 PM PresbyGal said this in Post #26

I do find it very interesting that you would follow Calvin so closely. Please don't take offense but wouldn't that be like calling yourself republican because you follow Teddy Roosevelt. TR's trust busting and creation of national parks system would run contrary with today's republican party.

I don't really see the parallel but just for the record, I don't normally go by the label "Calvinist," nor do I call myself that.  I am a Christian who believes in the doctrines espoused by Calvin.  As for the rituals, they're fine.  If one feels moved to do something like that I encourage them.  What I don't encourage is the common place tendency of the majority of Christian churches to elevate tradition to a level equal to Scripture.  I know that Catholics believe it is and, as I've said, that's certainly their right to believe such a thing.  I just don't.  I have nothing against ritualistic behavior as long as it is viewed as a method of focusing on God rather than it being a means by which to obtain the grace of God.  I think it's an incorrect view of grace to look at our works as a biblically endorsed method for God accomplishing His Will.  I just lean a bit more towards God's sovereign ability to bring about His Will, and more often than not I think He does so, in spite of us, rather than the commonly (at least on this MB) held view that God does this "with our cooperation."  I just don't think most people acknowledge their sinfulness and I think it causes them to give themselves and the rest of mankind credit for what they should be giving God credit for.

God bless,

Don

 

[Gabriel]

I do find it very interesting that you would follow Calvin so closely.

We don't follow Calvin. We follow biblical truth. We are commanded to conform our lives to God's word. There is no such thing as an out dated concept when it comes to truth. Either you follow God's word or you don't.

I don't listen to anyone or any document that cannot take me to the bible to confirm their statements, doctrine, feelings, whatever.

The problem, as I see it, with so many minstream churches these days is that they conform to the world and to worldly views and concerns. They claim to be bible based, but gladly skirt around issues that are very plain in the bible. Such as, homosexual and female pastors and elders, a women's right to choose, the bible was written by men and does contain God's word but is not infallible, or my favorite....truth is subjective to your circumstance and/or personal convictions.

2Ti 3:16 All Scripture is inspired by God and profitable for teaching, for reproof, for correction, for training in righteousness;
2Ti 3:17 so that the man of God may be adequate, equipped for every good work.

2Ti 4:1 I solemnly charge {you} in the presence of God and of Christ Jesus, who is to judge the living and the dead, and by His appearing and His kingdom:
2Ti 4:2 preach the word; be ready in season {and} out of season; reprove, rebuke, exhort, with great patience and instruction.
2Ti 4:3 For the time will come when they will not endure sound doctrine; but {wanting} to have their ears tickled, they will accumulate for themselves teachers in accordance to their own desires,
2Ti 4:4 and will turn away their ears from the truth and will turn aside to myths.

 

[Reformationist]

Thank you my brother. I agree completely.

God bless,
Don

 

[Terri]

I agree with Gabriel and Don!! 

 

[chelcb]

Terri,

You believe in salvation unto the election?

 

[Gabriel]

Today at 06:31 PM chelcb said this in Post #31 (http://www.christianforums.com/showthread.php?postid=690532#post690532)

Terri,

You believe in salvation unto the election?

????

 

[Terri]

Today at 05:31 PM chelcb said this in Post #31

Terri,

You believe in salvation unto the election?

I don't understand the question either.

 

[chelcb]

Today at 06:53 PM Terri said this in Post #33

I don't understand the question either.

Well let me explain it to you. Do you believe... 

"God unconditionally set aside a people for His Son, brings them back to life and conforms them to the image of His Son."

 

[Terri]

Yesterday at 09:08 PM chelcb said this in Post #34

Well let me explain it to you. Do you believe... 

"God unconditionally set aside a people for His Son, brings them back to life and conforms them to the image of His Son."

I do believe that I think--although I'm not perfectly clear on your definition of "set aside" or "brings them back to life." 

I hope this wasn't a trick question.

 

[SoccerAaron]

I would be Presby, but I'm a Credobaptist.
I hold to all other reformed Theology though.

 

[Gabriel]

Today at 02:43 PM SoccerAaron said this in Post #36 (http://www.christianforums.com/showthread.php?postid=692726#post692726)

I would be Presby, but I'm a Credobaptist.
I hold to all other reformed Theology though.

What is a Credobaptist? I've never heard of that. You're reformed, that's all you need to be to join the club!

 

[Gabriel]

I just had to post to break 1,000. WOOOHOOOO

 

[SoccerAaron]

Credobaptist are people who don't believe in Infant Baptism

 

[Terri]

Today at 03:14 PM Gabriel said this in Post #38

I just had to post to break 1,000. WOOOHOOOO