Hell.....

[topcare]

So I have seen lately that Hell is getting redefined to not really be a place of torment but just the fact that since God is everywhere than it will be awful for non Christians and to them that will be Hell. I was surprised to learn that the idea of Hell that many Christians know has not always existed. I was taught that Hell was a real place so is it real or just a state of mind?

 

[Rick Otto]

So I have seen lately that Hell is getting redefined to not really be a place of torment but just the fact that since God is everywhere than it will be awful for non Christians and to them that will be Hell. I was surprised to learn that the idea of Hell that many Christians know has not always existed. I was taught that Hell was a real place so is it real or just a state of mind?

States of mind are real places. I have been in a few.
I think the place of torment exists, but it being an eternal fate sounds psychopathic.

 

[Sultan Of Swing]

So I have seen lately that Hell is getting redefined to not really be a place of torment but just the fact that since God is everywhere than it will be awful for non Christians and to them that will be Hell. I was surprised to learn that the idea of Hell that many Christians know has not always existed. I was taught that Hell was a real place so is it real or just a state of mind?

When Jesus describes it sure sounds real to me.

 

[CodyFaith]

Fire is not condemnation in the heart fire, it's literal fire. Although there will be the condemnation too.

 

[Sultan Of Swing]

States of mind are real places. I have been in a few.
I think the place of torment exists, but it being an eternal fate sounds psychopathic.

Psychopathic, or are we just underestimating the severity of sinning against an absolutely and infinitely holy God?

 

[Gregory Thompson]

Hell is the presence of God, this is why some who believe will have their works burned . because God is a consuming fire.

 

[Rick Otto]

When Jesus describes it sure sounds real to me.

Reality has been being redefined for a very long time.

 

[Rick Otto]

Psychopathic, or are we just underestimating the severity of sinning against an absolutely and infinitely holy God?

Psychopathic in the light of a God who is agape.

 

[Sultan Of Swing]

Psychopathic in the light of a God who is agape.

Based on what? Your opinion?

 

[Rick Otto]

Based on what? Your opinion?

I have no interest in arguing with you.
I said "agape", so let's pretend we understand it's obvious my opinion is based on my understanding (opinion) of agape.

"Opinion" is not a dirty word.
You'll have to find another word if you want to push a Drama Button.

 

[Sultan Of Swing]

I have no interest in arguing with you.
I said "agape", so let's pretend we understand it's obvious my opinion is based on my understanding (opinion) of agape.

"Opinion" is not a dirty word.

Didn't say it was a dirty word. Sometimes we get carried away in our opinions and extrapolations when the Bible gives us straight answers.

 

[Rick Otto]

Didn't say it was a dirty word. Sometimes we get carried away in our opinions and extrapolations when the Bible gives us straight answers.

OK.

 

[Jipsah]

Psychopathic, or are we just underestimating the severity of sinning against an absolutely and infinitely holy God?

And infinitely vengeful, and infinitely merciless, and , infinitely vindictive? hmmmm

 

[Jipsah]

Didn't say it was a dirty word. Sometimes we get carried away in our opinions and extrapolations when the Bible gives us straight answers.

But more often when we take the "straight answers" of the Bible and embroider them with our own presuppositions. What did our Lord say about hell, as opposed to what our doctrines teach about it?

 

[Sultan Of Swing]

And infinitely vengeful, and infinitely merciless, and , infinitely vindictive? hmmmm

Well no, otherwise there'd be no Christians who are just as deserving as non-believers

 

[Hieronymus]

A lot of misunderstanding stems from the KJV's translation mistakes concerning hell.

 

[Quid est Veritas?]

What do you mean with 'real place'? Must it really be a material realm? Is heaven a material realm inhabited by God?

Is not a new Earth created at the end of days? Where does it say a Hell is created?

I think the problem is that people think in a temporal earthlike perspective of trans-temporal eternal realities and then get confused with ideas like 'real place' - as if I could build a ship and travel to hell. We kindle the fires of hell ourselves through our sins.

 

[ClothedInGrace]

Revelation 20:14-15
Then death and Hades were thrown into the lake of fire. This is the second death, the lake of fire. And if anyone's name was not found written in the book of life, he was thrown into the lake of fire.

Hell is an actual lake of fire; if it was the presence of God then I think the scriptures would say this, would they not?

 

[Rick Otto]

Revelation 20:14-15
Then death and Hades were thrown into the lake of fire. This is the second death, the lake of fire. And if anyone's name was not found written in the book of life, he was thrown into the lake of fire.

Hell is an actual lake of fire; if it was the presence of God then I think the scriptures would say this, would they not?

Just like the trinity is articulated?

 

[CodyFaith]

Revelation 20:14-15
Then death and Hades were thrown into the lake of fire. This is the second death, the lake of fire. And if anyone's name was not found written in the book of life, he was thrown into the lake of fire.

Hell is an actual lake of fire; if it was the presence of God then I think the scriptures would say this, would they not?

Agreed. Pretty clear to me at least that it's not a metaphor. Just because it's in Revelations doesn't mean it's symbolic, some verses are, some aren't.