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You think the waste lasted in Gehenna then?From the Bible.
As the weeds are pulled up and burned in the fire, so it will be at the end of the age.41 The Son of Man will send out his angels,and they will weed out of his kingdom everything that causes sin and all who do evil. 42 They will throw them into the blazing furnace, where there will be weeping and gnashing of teeth. 43 Then the righteous will shine like the sun in the kingdom of their Father. Whoever has ears, let them hear.
'weeping and gnashing of teeth' doesn't sound like people who are dead, but pretty conscious.
Well yes, in Revelation the lake of fire is clearly there at the end, I don't see any biblical reason for it to disappear.You think the waste lasted in Gehenna then?
And why then open a topic about it when you actually can't even discuss it?
You think the burning wicked will be there when God makes everything new??
COME ON!
Why don't you read the whole Bible and see that death and Hades will be incinerated too.Well yes, in Revelation the lake of fire is clearly there at the end, I don't see any biblical reason for it to disappear.
People read too much into the word 'gehenna' and start extrapolating all sorts of things about how the waste is dead, it doesn't last, etc. without explicit evidence from the Bible.
How about just reading Jesus' own words, as I quoted, about the weeping and gnashing of teeth?
Yes the Bible teacher everlasting hellfire.That's not really an answer - the very question at issue (at least in some of the posts in this thread) is whether the Bible really does teach eternal hellfire.
Okay, let's stay in the text. What do you think Jesus means when He says those in the blazing furnace will be weeping and gnashing their teeth?Why don't you read the whole Bible and see that death and Hades will be incinerated too.
The 2nd death is death, not life under eternal torture.
Look, i have studied this subject in particular, and for both scenarios there is a case to be made.
BUT, the case for annihilation is simply much stronger.
This eternal torture idea is exactly why Christians harden their hearts towards unbelievers.
Because it needs to be justified in our minds.
It is also why people despise God.
Sorry guys, i'm getting a bucket to puke in.
This is debatable. Are you prepared to discuss the matter? I suspect we may not be allowed to since the authorities may see arguments against eternal torment as effectively the promotion of annihilation theology.Yes the Bible teacher everlasting hellfire.
I think the appropriate references have already been cited earlier on the thread. I assume most people are already familiar with the quotes about eternal Hell fire and torment. But you are right, we can only discuss the official Christian doctrine of eternal torture here. Someone reported me and I was contacted by the mods.This is debatable. Are you prepared to discuss the matter? I suspect we may not be allowed to since the authorities may see arguments against eternal torment as effectively the promotion of annihilation theology.
But if we are allowed to discuss this - and you refuse to do so - the objective reader will see as likely indicating that your position is indeed questionable (otherwise, you would be able to defend it in proper debate).
I think dying the 2nd death will be no fun. Do you?Okay, let's stay in the text. What do you think Jesus means when He says those in the blazing furnace will be weeping and gnashing their teeth?
God is Love, but He mercilessly tortures unbelievers eternally who didn't get it, or who He himself blinded in their puny 80 years on a wicked planet.And non-believers despise God because the light exposes their darkness, not because of an eternal Hell.
lol I hear that. It's an interesting topic and something I don't know much about.I'm taking a break to study this again, i may be back here or a new topic later.
You can discuss any scripture texts, but anyone who wants to say the Nicene Creed or any of it's points are wrong, they can't do that in any Christian Only Forums.We will try to limit our comments to "just the Bible" if they get to anything that this area of the board might not allow.
if there are texts we need to avoid quoting - please let us know.
Yeah right...All this talk that God is willing to punish people for eternity is not quite true!
God does not punish anyone!
It is those that choose to go to hell that punish themselves!!
[edit]You were addressing Colter i see, sorry...[/quote]This is debatable. Are you prepared to discuss the matter?
Personally i find that ... i won't say that..I suspect we may not be allowed to since the authorities may see arguments against eternal torment as effectively the promotion of annihilation theology.
Indeed.But if we are allowed to discuss this - and you refuse to do so - the objective reader will see as likely indicating that your position is indeed questionable (otherwise, you would be able to defend it in proper debate).
From the Bible.
As the weeds are pulled up and burned in the fire, so it will be at the end of the age.41 The Son of Man will send out his angels,and they will weed out of his kingdom everything that causes sin and all who do evil. 42 They will throw them into the blazing furnace, where there will be weeping and gnashing of teeth. 43 Then the righteous will shine like the sun in the kingdom of their Father. Whoever has ears, let them hear.
'weeping and gnashing of teeth' doesn't sound like people who are dead, but pretty conscious.
and ? hell is a spiritual place for spiritual beingsReal does not require a place or location. Salvation is real, and has no physical place or location binding it down. God is real, and has no physical place or location binding Him down. Asking whether it is real is like asking if gravity is real.
This is debatable. Are you prepared to discuss the matter? I suspect we may not be allowed to since the authorities may see arguments against eternal torment as effectively the promotion of annihilation theology.
But if we are allowed to discuss this - and you refuse to do so - the objective reader will see as likely indicating that your position is indeed questionable (otherwise, you would be able to defend it in proper debate).
Real does not require a place or location. Salvation is real,
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