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Certainly it is true that sin has "eternal consequences" for the lost regardless of the duration of the lake of fire event.
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I clarified my terms. I think it is more accurate to say our sin has eternal consequences. See my last post.
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God is the Creator of Adam, but that doesn't automatically make Him Adam's Father. When a potter makes a pot, is he the pot's father, or merely its creator? .
If "forever" really always mean "forever", why do we not see smoke rising from Edom today?
In Rev. 14:12 John links us back to those of Rev. 13:10
/the patience and faith of the saints
Doubt it. It is a specific prediction about the destruction of Edom that history shows to have been fulfilled. Do you want the relevant citation?This happens sometime after heaven has been rolled back as
a scroll. /6th seal of Revelation.
Isaiah predicts the destruction of Edom and history shows that nation was indeed defeated. This, of course, does not mean that the region ceased to exist as a piece of land - the prophecy was clearly about destruction of the nation as a nation, not the actual destruction of the very land itself! So, it is not surprising that Mark refers to the land itself.Why do you think Idumea was still around at the time of Mark
3:8?
Bozrah was the ancient captial of Edom. Edom moved around over the
years and even into part of Israel, and some became Jews. So how
do we know what Edom actually is for the prophecy in Isaiah 34?
by the Dead Sea? in Jordan? in Israel? near Moab?
What would you say?
Idumea though did not get make into burning pitch and and brimstone yet.
The 2nd death is the eternal consequence.Certainly it is true that sin has "eternal consequences" for the lost regardless of the duration of the lake of fire event.
This is yet another example of poetic language, and this can be independently shown to the be case (I will do so later). The Old Testament uses such language of cosmic events to characterize socio-political change - it was never intended to be taken literally.Do you think heaven was already rolled together as a scroll?
When was it unrolled?
I'm going to ask that I be dressed in flame retardant cloths by the undertaker! Also smuggle in a fire extinguisher.
Our treasures are in Heaven.
This is stated.
Belief is proof of the things yet unseen, is also stated.
John 3:16 is also a clear statement.
I'd say we disagree.I never said it isn't.
Conditionalism: Belief in Christ is the condition for eternal life.
Only one problem: Jonah was not the one describing his actual location. He was describing how he felt. In the verse you completely cut out because of its contradicting you: "Then Jonah prayed unto the LORD his God out of the fish's belly,".There is not a Bible Book of Hezekiah, so what do you mean by
"First Hezekiah"?
Follow the words of Jonah>
"...And Jonah was in the whale three days...then Jonah prayed...
And said, I cried by reason of mine affliction...and he
heard me...of hell..."
not I'm then crying, but he speaks to God of a past event when
he had cried from hell and God heard him
He now prays from the belly of a fish, but he speaks of how he
earlier was heard from the belly of hell. He then goes into the story
of how he had drowned.
that's not my fault seasoned biblical scholars don't find it easy lol .the carnal mind does not get the things of the spirit .Good to know that you and the children get it with no problem (meaning you have the same understanding as a child) and yet seasoned biblical scholars don't find it easy to understand at all.
And of course your understanding couldn't be wrong. That's not a possibility.
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