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ThinkForYourself

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Jesus saved us from the wrath of God, a

That makes no sense.

Why would God sending part of himself to occupy a human carcass for a couple of decades save us from his wrath?

He's God, why didn't he just change the rules, which was his intention anyways?
 
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Choosing one race over others seems kind of racist, don't you think?

Shouldn't a loving God not pick favourites and love all his children equally?

What about those people who aren't His children?

In your view, who are not god's children?

Why "in my view"? Why not "According to the Bible, who are not God's children"?

Scripture is our standard, not subjective opinion.
 
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I don't. The God I believe in doesn't punish people eternally for the sins in a limited lifetime. That is to say - I do not believe in a sort of regenerative death where souls are "alive" enough to "feel torment" for endless eons...

I don't think this interpretation can be made from the bible either - not without strict interpretation of certain words/phrases in certain areas with a disregard for how those strict interpretations cannot be used elsewhere and be understood differently.
 
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I read that the underworld (hell) is the center of the earth, which makes sense to me.
 
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That makes no sense.

Why would God sending part of himself to occupy a human carcass for a couple of decades save us from his wrath?

He's God, why didn't he just change the rules, which was his intention anyways?

Good question.

But according to the Christian Bible, "without the shedding of blood there is no remission of sin." Jesus became the eternal sacrifice for all who believe. Before Jesus, they sacrificed animals to redeem themselves. If there was no punishment of sin, God would not be holy. And the punishment of sin is death.

God will not and can not change. People say nothing's impossible with God; but according to the Christian Bible it is impossible for God to lie or change. But all this will not make sense to an athiest or an agnostic. Paul writes that the message Christ's death is foolishness to the unbelievers. So yes, it's not going to make sense anyone unless God himself opens their hearts and minds. No human being can make an unbeliever understand unless God works through them.
 
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We do NOT think of such things.......in regards to believing in others being sent there. We are to pray in LOVE that they will obtain mercy and reflect on our own faults rather first and foremost. We are also to preach and warn others of the reality of that place that we should not desire nor want upon others only that other people be saved.


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Praise be to GOD the father in heaven and his son LORD JESUS CHRIST forever>>>>>>>>>>>>>>
 
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I unfortunately was subjected to a "Christian" who told me all the nice people I know who are not Christians will burn in hell.

We were in a moving vehicle and I became a 'captive' audience.

As soon as I can, I changed the topic. Tune out. Ignored the person.

I personally do not believe that God will put people in hell just because they are from a different group / different from others. This is discrimination.

Discrimination is man made. That is my view.

Personally, I feel that God loves us. And, only He can judge us.

I cannot go and say so-and-so will go to hell because ... of Matthew 7:2


Personally, I feel that people who think and say that certain others will go to hell are pretty foolish and are testing God's patience.
 
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It seems like the majority of apologetics on this forum claim that hell is either a misinterpretation of the bible or that people are sent there because they choose to go there by not following jesus.

for the first group, read the parable of the rich man and lazarus. If you still feel that hell isn't whats being implied here, please give me an alternative argument for what Jesus could have been talking about.
For the second, do you really think atheists, agnostics and other religious people believe Christianity to be true? Its not like they know Jesus was the son of God and choose not to follow him anyway.

These arguments are so irritating to hear because they honestly feel like a waste of time to refute. People who think this way clearly haven't given any thought to their religion, and just blindly follow it. Which is understandable, especially if you were brought up in a Christian home like most Christians are.
 
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Some say that hell is the complete absence of God. Imagine the kind of place that would be.

The 'absence of God' is a bit of a misleading statement, as God is everywhere and all-knowing.
The complete absence is really one forsaken- God actually punishes, it's not simply Him leaving evil to it's own device.

People tend to subdue that reality because it's hard to swallow, but that is is simply part of God's righteousness- the wicked are condemned to Hellfire, not an underworld anarchy.
 
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