Hell

[Pythons]

Jesus "could" have sinned. But Jesus "wouldn't" sin. That is the difference.

The answer to that question is emphatically yes or no...
...And an affirmation in the affirmative simply establishes a serious theological disconnect.

How is it that you understand Jesus hypothetically "could have sinned"?
...That's a direct theological affirmation that "God" could cease to exist.
...And according to historic Christianity, which is based off Scripture, that's impossible.

It wasn't "impossible" for Jesus to sin else his temptations would have been a worthless smokescreen. After all, what good to anybody would Jesus have been had he not been susceptible to being tempted to sin?

We should look at the meaning of temptation in the context of Christ...
...And work our way out of this "Adventist" understanding.

Luke 4:12 "And Jesus answering said unto him, It is said, Thou shalt not tempt the Lord thy God. And when the devil had ended all the temptation, he departed from him for a season".

1) an experiment, attempt, trial, proving

Now, lets look at what the "Bible" says about how long ago it was known...
...That God would save humanity via His Son.
...AKA "God" the Son.

Eph 3:11 "According to the eternal purpose which he purposed in Christ Jesus our Lord".

1) for ever, an unbroken age, perpetuity of time, eternity

Eph is very clear that The Father purposed Salvation to the world via Christ PRIOR to Christ coming...
...The "purpose" itself WAS eternal.
...Therefore the question was NEVER "if" God would save us but "WHEN".

Zephaniah 3:5 "The just LORD is in the midst thereof; he will not do iniquity: every morning doth he bring his judgment to light, he faileth not; but the unjust knoweth no shame".

1) injustice, unrighteousness, wrong

That was a fraction of the Scriptures which speak of the IMPOSSIBILITY of God "sinning"...
...And the Christian Councils systematize Scripture when Nicaea sates;

And those who say, 'Once He was not,' and 'Before His generation He was not,' and 'He came to be from nothing,' or those who pretend that the Son of God is 'Of other subsistence or essence ,' or 'created' or 'alterable,' or 'mutable,' the Catholic Church anathematizes.

That would be silly. He wouldn't be much of a savior to me to overcome my temptations to sin if He hadn't had to do that first in Himself.

That's exactly what what all theologically Adventist people say....
...Fits along with the other one which claims I could never love a God who would keep someone in hell forever.
...Like hot pie and icecream!

At any point with his fleshly will, he was tempted to sin and succumb to his lusts had he not let Christ in Him run the show. One needs to understand all things in the providence of God that he Wouldn't sin. That is what I should have said earlier. This is an odd topic. Of what value is this topic to you?

By the time we are halfway through this discussion there will be no doubt in your mind as to what the value is I place in this. I would suggest we initiate a new thread in GT about this specific topic and from there go directly into a discussion about what Scripture teaches takes place subsequent to the death of the body and prior to the Resurrection of the body. You game?

It isn't whether he "could" have, for yes he "could" have. It is instead, all about whether He "would". That is what matters. But whether someone else understands it differently isn't of concern to me.

We will discuss the perplexing question of how God could cease to be God, permanently - in the new thread.

I don't involve myself in traditions of history or what others teach or believe in Pythons. Organized religion is much much worse than any "burped up" theology by far.

We can certainly put that view to the test Son of Israel...
...Perhaps I will reject Sacred Tradition after pondering your views on the subject.

I Only teach and follow what is revealed by the Word and by His Holy Spirit. I don't use terms or explore philosophies that aren't scriptural. Why do that? It is only a pitfall and a trap.

Ok, fair enough - we will test what is viewed as historic Orthodox Trinitarianism...
...Against your view.
...I'm game.

My God that I worship, who was crucified, risen, ascended, glorified and come into His believers, has filled me with His Holy Spirit. He is my Father, within whom all Power in Heaven and earth resides... His Name is Jesus. I know of no other God. I have no other God than Jesus. He is the One True God.

(Mar 12:29) Jesus answered, The first is, Hear, O Israel; The Lord our God, the Lord is one:

That One Lord is my Lord, and His Name is Jesus.

As I said before, I have no clue what you refer to in a "state between death and resurrection". Unlike before Life was brought to light, as in the Old Covenant Israel where the resurrection hadn't come yet, they laid in graves in hope of that resurrection from hell (grave). It was so important that the Israelites even hauled Jacob's bones around with them for over 400 years. But when Christ came, the dead rose per scriptures. Everything changed. Jesus is the resurrection. It isn't a "function" or "occurence". It is "who" we are in being "One" with Christ delivered from death into Life and filled with His Holy Spirit, Christ in my flesh. He is with me always and shall never leave me He has promised. I have been risen with Him as also per scripture. I died in Christ in my baptism, and have been raised up in Him in His resurrection. This is scripture 101. The second death has no power over me. There is no "state" now between death and resurrection.

We can go over the "new teaching" that the dead don't know anything...
...I think that plays last chair compared to the Trinity however.
...You choose S.O.I.

Start a new thread and God willing I'll met you there.

 

[Timothew]

That does not include a rejection of what's been previously codified...
...Such as the Trinity, baptism, etc.
...Are you saying you could reject baptism and the Trinity and remain in good standing in a Baptist Church?

I'm not is good standing now, they won't let me become a member unless I agree to ponyup 10% according to the Law Of Moses. Since I believe the Law of Moses is of no use to Christians, I give elsewhere.

If the Codifiers reject the bible, I'll stick with the bible.

 

[Zeek]

All I'm saying is that John told us what he meant by the lake of fire, he said it is the second death.

Isn't death a "just recompense for the wicked"?
God is impartial, He offers eternal life to all who come to Him. Who ever does not come to Him for eternal life does not receive eternal life.

I don't understand what you mean by "devoid of sentimentality."

That's not strictly true. Just because it was revealed to John that this final judgment on Unbelievers is called/termed "The Second Death" does not demonstrate John actually teaching what this terminolgy meant...and the context of this 'second death' demonstrates that it is perpetual torment of some degree.

The 'just recompense for the wicked' is whatever G-d declares it to be, and not what we think it should be.

By saying 'devoid of sentimentality' I am referring to the way some Believers have a tendency to judge things humanistically...to many it is abhorrent that G-d should punish people eternally...they really don't like the idea, so they sometimes bring their own sense of justice to bear and re-interpret what is clearly written.

At the end of the day we have to trust the revealed character and nature of G-d...and because He is Righteous and Holy we can be assured that when it comes to justice...we will be astonished and in awe of His judgments.

In Messiah. Zazal

 

[Son of Israel]

What a shame.
Why don't you just believe what the Bible says about it.
Those who are thrown into hell fire will be burned up and be left neither root no branch; their ashes will be trod under foot by the righteous.
They, will be no more.
They will die the second death, from which there is no more life.
They will recieve the wages of sin, eternal death.
Only the righteous will recieve eternal life.
What kind of monster do you precieve God to be?

Good post
Its amazing isn't it

 

[Son of Israel]

The answer to that question is emphatically yes or no...
...And an affirmation in the affirmative simply establishes a serious theological disconnect.

How is it that you understand Jesus hypothetically "could have sinned"?
...That's a direct theological affirmation that "God" could cease to exist.
...And according to historic Christianity, which is based off Scripture, that's impossible.



We should look at the meaning of temptation in the context of Christ...
...And work our way out of this "Adventist" understanding.

Luke 4:12 "And Jesus answering said unto him, It is said, Thou shalt not tempt the Lord thy God. And when the devil had ended all the temptation, he departed from him for a season".



Now, lets look at what the "Bible" says about how long ago it was known...
...That God would save humanity via His Son.
...AKA "God" the Son.

Eph 3:11 "According to the eternal purpose which he purposed in Christ Jesus our Lord".



Eph is very clear that The Father purposed Salvation to the world via Christ PRIOR to Christ coming...
...The "purpose" itself WAS eternal.
...Therefore the question was NEVER "if" God would save us but "WHEN".

Zephaniah 3:5 "The just LORD is in the midst thereof; he will not do iniquity: every morning doth he bring his judgment to light, he faileth not; but the unjust knoweth no shame".



That was a fraction of the Scriptures which speak of the IMPOSSIBILITY of God "sinning"...
...And the Christian Councils systematize Scripture when Nicaea sates;





That's exactly what what all theologically Adventist people say....
...Fits along with the other one which claims I could never love a God who would keep someone in hell forever.
...Like hot pie and icecream!



By the time we are halfway through this discussion there will be no doubt in your mind as to what the value is I place in this. I would suggest we initiate a new thread in GT about this specific topic and from there go directly into a discussion about what Scripture teaches takes place subsequent to the death of the body and prior to the Resurrection of the body. You game?



We will discuss the perplexing question of how God could cease to be God, permanently - in the new thread.



We can certainly put that view to the test Son of Israel...
...Perhaps I will reject Sacred Tradition after pondering your views on the subject.



Ok, fair enough - we will test what is viewed as historic Orthodox Trinitarianism...
...Against your view.
...I'm game.



We can go over the "new teaching" that the dead don't know anything...
...I think that plays last chair compared to the Trinity however.
...You choose S.O.I.

Start a new thread and God willing I'll met you there.

Jesus was tempted. If he'd given into the temptation, he would have sinned. Any further carnal slicing and dicing of the word is camel swallowing.

The teaching that "the dead know not anything" is elementary and OLD. Solomon spoke of it. Adam knew of it lol. You can't be serious.
RC start right out with the pagan false doctrine of an inherint "immortal soul". There are plenty of threads here on that topic if you are interested in it. I'm not. I'm only interested in helping folk like Brandy, who started this OP, to be delievered from the false doctrine of a conscious existence of people in hell. Not to debate it with you sir.

No, I have no interest in looking all over brand new again at the historical view on the trinity. I'm sure it hasn't changed. I only speak of My Father to those who worship Jesus as the One God of Israel. I don't debate this, it is dishonarable. You either believe in One God or a Polytheism of three.

Good luck with your "adventists" who ever they are.

 

[Pythons]

Jesus was tempted. If he'd given into the temptation, he would have sinned. Any further carnal slicing and dicing of the word is camel swallowing.

Jesus was "proven" or "tested" within the same context...
...As He was "born in Bethlehem", "came out of Egypt", etc.
...All points of explicit confirmation - 'according to the Scriptures'.

Had Jesus been "tempted" within the context of your assertion...
...He wouldn't have been the Christ to begin with.
...& that can be taken to the bank.

Romans 6:12 "Let not sin therefore reign in your mortal body, that ye should obey it in the lusts thereof."

Scripture is VERY clear as to what sin is and how it is BORN.

James 1:13 "Let no man say when he is tempted, I am tempted of God: for God cannot be tempted with evil, neither tempteth he any man: But every man is tempted, when he is drawn away of his own lust, and enticed. Then when lust hath conceived, it bringeth forth sin: and sin, when it is finished, bringeth forth death".

Son Of Israel, for YOU to be tempted you 1st must already LUST for it...
...Because EVERY man is tempted when he is drawn away of "his OWN" lust.
...So says the Bible.

Luke 22:15 "And he said unto them, With desire I have desired to eat this passover with you before I suffer".

Here is Strong's #G1937 for us to review and see which one(s) apply to Christ...
...The ones that do should sync with what Scripture foretold about Christ.
...And the ones that DO NOT should JUMP right off the page.

1) to turn upon a thing
2) to have a desire for, long for, to desire
3) to lust after, covet
a) of those who seek things forbidden

God's Holy Word says that Jesus ALWAYS did the things that please the Father...
...Do you think the Father would be pleased about Jesus being "drawn away by His own lust"?
...According to Scripture that is exactly how you and I - and the rest of the word are "tempted".

Jesus The Christ equates to God becoming man without ceasing to be "God"....
...That's "the Incarnation" - so it might not hurt to study into what the Councils say prior to rejecting them.

John 8:29 "And he that sent me is with me: the Father hath not left me alone; for I do always those things that please him."

Consider, for the sake of understanding this important message, that you, Son Of Israel, are a child molester who was caught by the Police, went to court and did hard time for the crime.

You have got out of the clink and are on your own back in society. Now, the person who lives next to you is a drug addict and they are so frantic for drugs they offer to "rent" their little girl to ya!

It's now show-time and even though you "desire" ( TEMPTATION ) to molest the child you, with God's help are able to resist "YOUR" Temptation to molest the Child - even though YOU yearned for it!

NOW - re-run the above only instead of a pedophile you are a drunk, or a greedy money gruber, or a thief, or a guy who sleeps with other peoples wives! A drug addict parent seeking drugs offers to rent you their kid for the night and the thought of it makes you sick to the point you could throw up!

In other words - as a pedophile YOU were tempted because YOU already were into that sort of thing....
...As a thief, liar, or whatever else you can imagine YOU were NOT tempted when the kid was offered.
...Notice in both cases that you were tempted BY the dope head.
...But just because someone tempts you does NOT have to mean YOU were tempted.

Therefore Christ WOULDN'T have snned because He COULDN'T have sinned...
...This is NOT what you said S.O.I.

To be sure - Christ suffered more then anyone, He knew what it felt like to be thirsty and hungry even to death, He got sick, smashed his fingers, perhaps stung by a bee - every pain we have gone through EXCEPT SIN.

And I find it ironic that the vast majority of people who adopt the Adventist theology of what happens after death ( soul sleeping ) ALSO believe that God could have sinned and lost His Salvation then ceased to exist forever - I mean I hope some serious scholars sit down some day and figure out just what it is about Jehovah's Witness, Christadelphian, WWCOG & Seventh-day Adventist teaching that allows the possibility for a doctrine like that to even formulate.

The teaching that "the dead know not anything" is elementary and OLD. Solomon spoke of it. Adam knew of it lol. You can't be serious.
RC start right out with the pagan false doctrine of an inherint "immortal soul". There are plenty of threads here on that topic if you are interested in it. I'm not. I'm only interested in helping folk like Brandy, who started this OP, to be delievered from the false doctrine of a conscious existence of people in hell. Not to debate it with you sir.

That's because you obviously can't debate it with me - perhaps Brandy might just want to take another perspective into account prior to gobbling down an alien teaching hook line and sinker? I'm only a PM away Brandy if you are reading this.

No, I have no interest in looking all over brand new again at the historical view on the trinity. I'm sure it hasn't changed. I only speak of My Father to those who worship Jesus as the One God of Israel. I don't debate this, it is dishonarable. You either believe in One God or a Polytheism of three.

Good luck with your "adventists" who ever they are.

Ok, you reject the Trinity - once I noticed what you said about soul sleeping I could have laid money that you rejected the Trinity because for some reason the two go hand in hand just like hot apple pie and icecream!

I've got no problem with you S.O.I. - however when I see people who may not have a solid grounding in the basics of the Christian faith start to feast on heretical doctrines - such as a rejection of the Trinity I simply do what I can.

I'm guessing it would be better for your theology if you didn't go to deep into defending your "teaching". If you change your mind I am only a PM away.

Oh, yeah, I'll be going into "your dead know not anything" views so we can give Brandy some solid answers to your points.

 

[Timothew]

That's not strictly true. Just because it was revealed to John that this final judgment on Unbelievers is called/termed "The Second Death" does not demonstrate John actually teaching what this terminolgy meant...and the context of this 'second death' demonstrates that it is perpetual torment of some degree.

The 'just recompense for the wicked' is whatever G-d declares it to be, and not what we think it should be.

By saying 'devoid of sentimentality' I am referring to the way some Believers have a tendency to judge things humanistically...to many it is abhorrent that G-d should punish people eternally...they really don't like the idea, so they sometimes bring their own sense of justice to bear and re-interpret what is clearly written.

At the end of the day we have to trust the revealed character and nature of G-d...and because He is Righteous and Holy we can be assured that when it comes to justice...we will be astonished and in awe of His judgments.

In Messiah. Zazal

I think I need to clarify my views.
The reason I don't believe in eternal torment is NOT because I believe torture is abhorrent, although it is.

It is because the Bible says that the wages of sin is death. If Paul had meant that the wages of sin is eternal torment, he would have said that.

When Jesus said "For God so loved the world, that He gave His only begotten Son, that whoever believes in Him shall not perish, but have eternal life," I believe He meant what he said.
Those who believe in Him have eternal life, those who do not believe in Him shall perish.

You said that the just recompense for the wicked is what God declares it to be, and not what we wish it to be.

Jesus declared that the just recompense is to perish.
God, through Paul, declared that the wages (just recompense) of sin is death.

The just recompense for sin is death, and not what we wish it to be. Some people just can't let go of the idea of people they hate burning for all of eternity, but the bible does not say that they do.

God is better than that.

 

[ThomasDa]

Some folks just can't be dissuaded by the truth. The Lie is embeded too deeply into their inner parts.
God says that eternal life is the reward of the righteous.
God says the wages of the wicked is death.
Yet those who know better than God say the wicked recieve eternal life being tourtured.
Go figure???????????

 

[Pythons]

Some folks just can't be dissuaded by the truth. The Lie is embeded too deeply into their inner parts.
God says that eternal life is the reward of the righteous.
God says the wages of the wicked is death.
Yet those who know better than God say the wicked recieve eternal life being tourtured.
Go figure???????????

So ThomasDa, like S.O.I. do you also reject the Trinity as unbiblical and believe that Jesus pre-existed as Michael the archangel?

 

[Timothew]

So ThomasDa, like S.O.I. do you also reject the Trinity as unbiblical and believe that Jesus pre-existed as Michael the archangel?

Why would you believe that we all think this?

I believe that Jesus is God the Father's Son, and as such He is completely God as well as completely human. He could not be Michael since Jude 1:9 has Michael referring to the Lord as someone other than himself.

And God sent the Holy Spirit to dwell with believers, sent from God and also God.

I am, in a word, trinitarian.

 

[Pythons]

Why would you believe that we all think this?

Not "all" just the vast majority.

I believe that Jesus is God the Father's Son, and as such He is completely God as well as completely human. He could not be Michael since Jude 1:9 has Michael referring to the Lord as someone other than himself.

And God sent the Holy Spirit to dwell with believers, sent from God and also God.

I am, in a word, trinitarian.

Praise the Lord Tim!

 

[Timothew]

Not "all" just the vast majority.



Praise the Lord Tim!

God is Good?

 

[Son of Israel]

Some folks just can't be dissuaded by the truth. The Lie is embeded too deeply into their inner parts.
God says that eternal life is the reward of the righteous.
God says the wages of the wicked is death.
Yet those who know better than God say the wicked recieve eternal life being tourtured.
Go figure???????????

Exactly.

The closest the pagans can come to attempting to prove their lie is

(Rev 14:11) And the smoke of their torment ascendeth up for ever and ever: and they have no rest day nor night, who worship the beast and his image, and whosoever receiveth the mark of his name.

They ignore that it is the "smoke" that ascends for ever. (Not some persons tormented soul lol). In other words, as below where that scripture is based out of, it is a total consuming away of a man into perished "name blotted out" doom. AKA DEATH.

Smoke in scripture is an interesting study. Here we see that it is related to God's "blotting out their name from under heaven";


(Deu 29:20) The LORD will not spare him, but then the anger of the LORD and his jealousy shall smoke against that man, and all the curses that are written in this book shall lie upon him, and the LORD shall blot out his name from under heaven.

God is the fire. If anyone was curious lol. The "fire that destroys";

(Deu 9:3) Understand therefore this day, that the LORD thy God is he which goeth over before thee; as a consuming fire he shall destroy them, and he shall bring them down before thy face: so shalt thou drive them out, and destroy them quickly, as the LORD hath said unto thee.

Being destroyed and blotted out from under heaven are pretty clear scriptures that leave NO room for pagan "burn in hell consciously" ideas of the pagan monster god.

Here again we see smoke relating to God "devouring";

(2Sa 22:9) There went up a smoke out of his nostrils, and fire out of his mouth devoured: coals were kindled by it.

This verse means exactly what it says;

(Psa 37:20) But the wicked shall perish, and the enemies of the LORD shall be as the fat of lambs: they shall consume; into smoke shall they consume away.

as wax melts, the wicked perish;

(Psa 68:2) As smoke is driven away, so drive them away: as wax melteth before the fire, so let the wicked perish at the presence of God.

The wicked are as smoke in God's nose in their burning in their wickedness;

(Isa 65:5) Which say, Stand by thyself, come not near to me; for I am holier than thou. These are a smoke in my nose, a fire that burneth all the day.

Here the wicked are as the "fuel" of the fire. It is because of them that the fire burns and devours;

(Isa 9:19) Through the wrath of the LORD of hosts is the land darkened, and the people shall be as the fuel of the fire: no man shall spare his brother.

Here we see that those people that fuel the fire are the inhabitants of Jerusalem;

(Eze 15:6) Therefore thus saith the Lord GOD; As the vine tree among the trees of the forest, which I have given to the fire for fuel, so will I give the inhabitants of Jerusalem.

God's anger is a fire burning upon the inhabitants of Jerusalem;

(Jer 15:14) And I will make thee to pass with thine enemies into a land which thou knowest not: for a fire is kindled in mine anger, which shall burn upon you.

Those who rejected Jesus burnt by His everburning anger;

(Jer 17:4) And thou, even thyself, shalt discontinue from thine heritage that I gave thee; and I will cause thee to serve thine enemies in the land which thou knowest not: for ye have kindled a fire in mine anger, which shall burn for ever.

When Titus burnt Jerusalem to the ground in AD 70 it fulfilled many O.T. prophecies such as this one;

(Jer 17:27) But if ye will not hearken unto me to hallow the sabbath day, and not to bear a burden, even entering in at the gates of Jerusalem on the sabbath day; then will I kindle a fire in the gates thereof, and it shall devour the palaces of Jerusalem, and it shall not be quenched.

His Words are that fire;

(Jer 23:29) Is not my word like as a fire? saith the LORD; and like a hammer that breaketh the rock in pieces?

And so on and so forth. Fire/smoke... a figure of speech used with anger, used with purification in other places, and a medium of absolute destruction, ever ready to destroy the wicked.

A lot of things is fire and smoke in scriptures. But NEVER a place for souls to be in eternal torment. Pagans get that from their own personal monstrous leanings of revenge or something.

People who die have no awareness and no nothing. This can not be argued and won't be argued against by a man of the Word of God.

(Ecc 9:5) For the living know that they shall die: but the dead know not any thing, neither have they any more a reward; for the memory of them is forgotten.
(Ecc 9:6) Also their love, and their hatred, and their envy, is now perished; neither have they any more a portion for ever in any thing that is done under the sun.

(Job 3:17) There the wicked cease from troubling; and there the weary be at rest.

Those condemned into the grave have no remembrance of God;

(Psa 6:5) For in death there is no remembrance of thee: in the grave who shall give thee thanks?

In the grave their thoughts perish;

(Psa 146:4) His breath goeth forth, he returneth to his earth; in that very day his thoughts perish.

The unrepentant die the death of Adam, as opposed to now having the eternal life of Christ of which the 'second death' has no power, for we have already died the first death in baptism and raised up in His resurrection of the "firstborn from the dead";

(Rev 2:11) He that hath an ear, let him hear what the Spirit saith unto the churches; He that overcometh shall not be hurt of the second death.

Because we overcame in the firstborns resurrection;

(Rev 20:6) Blessed and holy is he that hath part in the first resurrection: on such the second death hath no power, but they shall be priests of God and of Christ, and shall reign with him a thousand years.

But those whose conscious is burning, such as folk like this;

(1Ti 4:2) Speaking lies in hypocrisy; having their conscience seared with a hot iron;
(1Ti 4:3) Forbidding to marry, and commanding to abstain from meats, which God hath created to be received with thanksgiving of them which believe and know the truth.

They fit the bill;

(1Ti 4:1) Now the Spirit speaketh expressly, that in the latter times some shall depart from the faith, giving heed to seducing spirits, and doctrines of devils;


Hmmm, what religion is renown for that?? The same one that teaches pagan immortal souls and eternal torture? YEP.

They are relegated to their final end as illustrated in a lake of fire, a fitting end;

(Rev 21:8) But the fearful, and unbelieving, and the abominable, and murderers, and whoremongers, and sorcerers, and idolaters, and all liars, shall have their part in the lake which burneth with fire and brimstone: which is the second death.

How much more shall anyone put forth of scripture to show the false doctrine of eternal torture for the pagan silliness that it is?

Let us depart from this non-sense, clothe self with sackcloth and ashes and repent of such wicked teachings.

(Mat 7:15) Beware of false prophets, which come to you in sheep's clothing, but inwardly they are ravening wolves.

 

[ThomasDa]

So ThomasDa, like S.O.I. do you also reject the Trinity as unbiblical and believe that Jesus pre-existed as Michael the archangel?

Where do you come up with this goofy stuff?
So do you just make it this stuff up as you go along?
Strange, very strange.

 

[Son of Israel]

Where do you come up with this goofy stuff?
So do you just make it this stuff up as you go along?
Strange, very strange.

Kids nowadays lol.

 

[Pythons]

Where do you come up with this goofy stuff?
So do you just make it this stuff up as you go along?
Strange, very strange.

A Trinitarian posted a "Happy Trinity Sunday" thread here,
http://www.christianforums.com/t7471176/

In post # 6 of that thread poster Deut 5:29 ( a theological Adventist )...
...Asks if "that's in the Bible".

You respond in post # 7 you appear to state that the Trinity is just another superstition Christendom picked up. That's where I picked up my first point.

NO it's not.

It's just another superstition christendom has picked up as it has moved farther and farther away from the truth and it's beginnings.

In the following post you claim the Saturday Sabbath "is still binding"...
http://www.christianforums.com/t7442930/#post54181219

That's where I picked up my 2nd point.

And if that wasn't enough here is a gem where you - in 2009- explicitly state that Christ could have sinned and lost His salvation.

http://www.christianforums.com/t7411053-8/#post53285209

That's 3 areas "I picked up the stuff" I asked you....
...The theology you appear to favor is that of "Herbert W Armstrong".
...And in case your history is a little RUSTY that denomination is part of the ADVENTIST family of churches.

I'm thinking this weekend when I have some spare time I'm going to have a little fun having discussions with you and S.O.I.

Armstrong did not accept Trinitarianism, believing it to be a doctrine of satanic authorship as part of a "counterfeit Christianity" (which he identified as the Roman Catholic Church). He believed that the Holy Spirit was part of God's essence, a power from him that suffused all creation and through which God was omnipresent and able to act at all places and at all times.

After realizing this I went back and re-read this thread again and noticed something Son Of Israel said in post #58,

I don't involve myself in traditions of history or what others teach or believe in Pythons. Organized religion is much much worse than any "burped up" theology by far. I Only teach and follow what is revealed by the Word and by His Holy Spirit. I don't use terms or explore philosophies that aren't scriptural. Why do that? It is only a pitfall and a trap.

My God that I worship, who was crucified, risen, ascended, glorified and come into His believers, has filled me with His Holy Spirit. He is my Father, within whom all Power in Heaven and earth resides... His Name is Jesus. I know of no other God. I have no other God than Jesus. He is the One True God.

Was that just a testimony that the Holy Spirit is not a "Person" of the Trinity?
...Is the Holy Spirit "a part of God's essence, a "power" from God in your view?

This is 101 Trinity stuff and my apologies if I've called the above in error...
...It's just that every time I discuss theology with individuals who harp that soul sleep is a Bible teaching.
...It also comes out that they believe that Christ could have sinned and lost His Salvation and that Michael the archangel is actually Christ.

In the following post you made it appears you agree with S.O.I.

Originally Posted by itisdeliciouscake

Holy Spirit is God?
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That should be a statement. [The Holy Spirit is God's]

http://www.christianforums.com/t7305629-4/#post52928082

post 33 should you want to check it out.

 

[Pythons]

Kids nowadays lol.

LOL! Stick around S.O.I.

 

[chingchang]

I was just wanting to know something. Forgive my ignorance, but what do you all think that hell will be like. My husband and I were talking about it, and he told me that he always thought that hell was like a lake of fire. I have always thought of hell as you would step off of a ledge and fall and fall and fall and fall....my mom thinks that there will be things that will torture you there, maybe even things that you are afraid of here, like I am afraid of mice, so if I went to hell, I would be tortured with mice along with the flames. I have even heard one guy that said that he had a vision of him being put into a cell, and a demon or something came and grabbed him and threw him against the wall. Then it with it's long claws reached into his flesh and ripped it out for more to grow back. But what do you all think that hell will be like?

I'm not sure what the process will be like...but the end result will be destruction if you believe what is written in the scriptures. It is impossible to reconcile a "God is love" with torture. In addition...there is no Biblical basis for the eternal torture argument and no OT examples to show that is something God does. There are plenty of OT examples to show that God destroys though...

CC

 

[Timothew]

A Trinitarian posted a "Happy Trinity Sunday" thread here,
http://www.christianforums.com/t7471176/

In post # 6 of that thread poster Deut 5:29 ( a theological Adventist )...
...Asks if "that's in the Bible".

You respond in post # 7 you appear to state that the Trinity is just another superstition Christendom picked up. That's where I picked up my first point.

OK, I just have to ask, What on Earth is "Trinity Sunday"?

I've read the bible, but I haven't seen this.

Tim

 

[ThomasDa]

A Trinitarian posted a "Happy Trinity Sunday" thread here,
http://www.christianforums.com/t7471176/

In post # 6 of that thread poster Deut 5:29 ( a theological Adventist )...
...Asks if "that's in the Bible".

You respond in post # 7 you appear to state that the Trinity is just another superstition Christendom picked up. That's where I picked up my first point.



In the following post you claim the Saturday Sabbath "is still binding"...
http://www.christianforums.com/t7442930/#post54181219

That's where I picked up my 2nd point.

And? What's you point?
You asked did I reject "the trinity as unbiblical". The answer is no, I do accept that it is.