Hell

[Legion.As.One]

Wiccanchild, why then do many faiths argue that if you don't believe in their particular way you'll go to Hell? It seems a bit too common to be just a by-product. They could have just said: If you don't believe, you don't get chocolate/eternal life. Or something along those llines.

Would it really be so bad to be force-fed delectable, scrumptious, ripe red grapes for eternity?

 

[Wiccan_Child]

Wiccanchild, why then do many faiths argue that if you don't believe in their particular way you'll go to Hell?

Because they don't. Of those religions which have a concept of 'Hell', it is not a place where you go because of your beliefs. That's mostly an Abrahamic concept.

It seems a bit too common to be just a by-product.

True, but there are many cultural things that seem suspiciously common. This points to a cause in the human condition (in this case, the appeal of objective justice), not to the veracity of the claim.

They could have just said: If you don't believe, you don't get chocolate/eternal life. Or something along those llines.

They could have, but that doesn't have the same impact as "You'll burn forever and ever! MWAHAHAHAHAAAA!", does it?

Would it really be so bad to be force-fed delectable, scrumptious, ripe red grapes for eternity?

Yes. I get sick of grapes after about four. Your Heaven is my Hell .

 

[Eudaimonist]

Would it really be so bad to be force-fed delectable, scrumptious, ripe red grapes for eternity?

I'd find that annoying! After the first few hours or so, it would be like Chinese water torture that never ends. What if I want to do something else?


eudaimonia,

Mark

 

[Jane_the_Bane]

Hel, or Helheim, was not really the equivalent of the Christian Hell. There are thought to be various realms within it, ranging from pleasant or neutral for most people, to the darkest and the worst for murderers and oath breakers.

Valhalla, Odin's hall of the slain, was indeed reserved for those who died in battle, but it wasn't the only decent afterlife. You could go to the better parts of Helheim, as mentioned before, or even the hall of another deity you were devoted to. ... (I *think* it's possible to be united with Odin if you were devoted to him in some other way [or had better be,] but maybe not hang out with the guys at Valhalla.) :o

Just a little addendum: only half of the battle-slain went to Odin's hall - the other half went to Folkwang, Freyja's place.

 

[Legion.As.One]

I suppose I agree, in that eating just grapes would get painfully annoying...

 

[ProScribe]

[edit] A speculation about hell is seems to be a place of disorder and chaos. Where Almighty God had purposely ordered things in their proper order - is creation.

 

[Völuspá]

Just a little addendum: only half of the battle-slain went to Odin's hall - the other half went to Folkwang, Freyja's place.

This is true. I have a bias.

 

[Legion.As.One]

Doesn't all order come from chaos? And all chaos from order? It just a big circle of 'ness'.

 

[Sphinx777]

 

[Legion.As.One]

^^^^^
Like that... except black

 

[Wiccan_Child]

Doesn't all order come from chaos? And all chaos from order? It just a big circle of 'ness'.

There's just stuff. We can say that some stuff is 'ordered', some is 'chaotic', but we have to remember that these are arbitrary distinctions. Try not to pay too much attention to the fine details .

 

[franklin]

If in almost every religion, it is clearly pointed out that if you don't follow their path, you're going to 'hell' (if you will). So, it doesn't really matter, everyone's going to 'hell' anyway.
Not that I believe in hell, I'm just pointing it out.
Views?

There is absolutely no proof such a place logically and rationally exists. Therefore such an idea or concept should be rejected by any educated intelligent adult.

 

[Legion.As.One]

franklin,
It depends what you consider 'hell'. Is it a physical place, or a feeling/thought?

 

[Druweid]

Perhaps the horrific images of people being tormented for eternity in medieval paintings is proof enough, e.g.

My Hell may be someone's idea of bliss, and vice versa.

Has no one noticed the incredible irony in this painting?

Everyone is smiling.

Hmmmmmm.

Regards,
-- Druweid

 

[Eudaimonist]

Has no one noticed the incredible irony in this painting?

Everyone is smiling.

But where are the hula dancers and beer volcanoes?


eudaimonia,

Mark

 

[TG123]

I may be tormented, possibly endlessly in some type of Hellfire. Just burning burning burning burning burning burning burning screaming screaming screaming screaming burning screaming burning screaming burning screaming burning screaming burning screaming burning burning screaming burning burning burning burning screaming screaming burning screaming burning. screaming burning screaming burning screaming burning screaming burning screaming. That's just the way it goes,

But it doesn't have to be that way. Believe that Jesus died on the cross for you. Accept Him as your Saviour and Lord. Put your faith in Him and follow Him. You will never have to fear hell again.

 

[Arthra]

"Hell" was used as a kind of motivator to encourage people to fear and I think for the most part this motivator no longer is a viable one.. People have been able to create their own hells today that would be far more hellish than anything conceived by the medieval mind.

Hell though in my view is more like being alienated from God in whatever manner that is for each person..Another way of looking at it is "consider love and union as delectable paradise, and count annoyance and hostility as the torment of hell-fire." You know what hostility and divisiveness feels like in this world..that can give you a sense of what "hell" is ...

- Art

 

[Legion.As.One]

So effectively hell is many things, it has different meanings to different people.

 

[franklin]

franklin,
It depends what you consider 'hell'. Is it a physical place, or a feeling/thought?

Use a little common sense and it will kill such concepts immediately. There is no such thing as hell or heaven. It's all myth.

 

[Legion.As.One]

I mean hell as in...someone close to you has died. Isn't that a sort of hell?