Hell

[sklippstein]

exactly Lady Grace! I was wondering why s0uljah was referring to a "physical body"?

 

[Chris†opher Paul]

Originally posted by sklippstein
exactly Lady Grace! I was wondering why s0uljah was referring to a "physical body"?

Because my priest, whom I respect for his knowledge, told me that.

 

[Anthony]

FWIW

LK 16:22-23
The time came when the beggar died and the angels carried him to Abraham's side. The rich man also died and was buried. In hell, where he was in torment, he looked up and saw Abraham far away, with Lazarus by his side.

There is an opinion that Hell has two-parts. Because if the rich man went to Hell and saw Abraham, then Abraham was also in Hell.There is also an opinion that Jesus when to Hell to pick-up the Old Testament Spirits who had been waiting for Jesus to make the final covenant. Because until Jesus shed his blood, nobody was saved.

LK 16:25-26
"But Abraham replied, Son, remember that in your lifetime you received your good things, while Lazarus received bad things, but now he is comforted here and you are in agony. And besides all this, between us and you a great chasm has been fixed, so that those who want to go from here to you cannot,nor can anyone cross over from there to us.

This furthers the opinion of two-parts of Hell. In the Old Testament Hebrew there are two words for Hell, SHEOL and GEHENNA.

Gehenna
After the OT period, Jewish apocalyptic writers began to call the Valley of Hinnom the entrance to hell, later hell itself. The NT distinguishes sharply between Hades, the intermediate, bodiless state, and Gehenna, the state of final punishment after the resurrection of the body. Gehenna existed before the judgment (Matt 25:41). The word is used 12 times in the NT (11 times by Jesus), always translated "hell."

Sheol(Hades in the NT)
The OT says little about the fate of the dead, though it does teach that dead persons go to a place of shadows called sheol, and that the righteous dead may look forward to glory (Ps 73:23-24). By the time of the NT, the Pharisees believed in a bodily resurrection. Not until the teaching of Jesus, however, were the concepts of eternal life with God and of bodily resurrection fully developed.



Thus, with the passing of time, SHEOL became the nether world, the place of the dead, where the good awaited the coming of the Messiah; while GEHENNA became the place of punishment.

 

[isshinwhat]

The Catholic Church does teach there will be a bodily resurrection. That was part of the reason the Church prohibited its members from being cremated. If the cremation was done to deny the Resurrection, then it was considered sinful. Even today, a Catholic cannot be cremated unless they profess a belief in the resurrection of the body.

992. "God revealed the RESURRECTION of the DEAD to his people progressively. Hope in the bodily RESURRECTION of the DEAD established itself as a consequence intrinsic to faith in God as creator of the whole man, soul and body. The creator of heaven and earth is also the one who faithfully maintains his covenant with Abraham and his posterity. It was in this double perspective that faith in the RESURRECTION came to be expressed. In their trials, the Maccabean martyrs confessed: The King of the universe will raise us up to an everlasting renewal of life, because we have died for his laws.[2 Macc 7:9 .] One cannot but choose to die at the hands of men and to cherish the hope that God gives of being raised again by him.[2 Macc 7:14 ; cf. 2 Macc 7:29 ; Dan 12:1-13 .] "

To view the context, please visit http://www.christusrex.org/www1/CDHN/art11.html#OURS

Neal

 

[Chris†opher Paul]

Anthony-

Great post, well written.

 

[Extirpated Wildlife]

Originally posted by ZooMom
I hope I never meet the person that God deems worthy of that punishment.

Matt 7:13-14 "Enter through the narrow gate; for the gate is wide and the way is broad that leads to destruction, and there are many who enter through it. For the gate is small and the way is narrow that leads to life, and there are few who find it."

ZooMom, The reality is that you have. Someone can be the best person in the whole world and if they reject Jesus Christ they are on the wide path of destruction. They can pray to Mary, but if they reject Christ, they will go to hell. I truly have met people who would fall in this category. Its really sad.

 

[Chris†opher Paul]

Originally posted by quizzler
Matt 7:13-14 "Enter through the narrow gate; for the gate is wide and the way is broad that leads to destruction, and there are many who enter through it. For the gate is small and the way is narrow that leads to life, and there are few who find it."

ZooMom, The reality is that you have. Someone can be the best person in the whole world and if they reject Jesus Christ they are on the wide path of destruction. They can pray to Mary, but if they reject Christ, they will go to hell. I truly have met people who would fall in this category. Its really sad.

You have met people that reject Jesus but pray to Mary?

 

[Extirpated Wildlife]

Originally posted by s0uljah
You have met people that reject Jesus but pray to Mary?

Yes. Just like there are those who call themselves Christian in many protestant church and their life definitely doesn't show it. Yes, i have met Catholics who their life doesn't represent a Christian life or even tries to, but they go to church.

 

[sklippstein]

i thought that the church now allows cremation?

 

[Chris†opher Paul]

Originally posted by quizzler
Yes. Just like there are those who call themselves Christian in many protestant church and their life definitely doesn't show it. Yes, i have met Catholics who their life doesn't represent a Christian life or even tries to, but they go to church.

That is bizzare.  How can they possibly be "Catholics" if they reject Jesus?  Do they not listen at all on Sundays?

 

[ZooMom]

Believe it or not, sOuljah, there are former Catholics who will insist that, the whole time they were growing up in the Catholic Church and going to Mass every Sunday, they were *never* taught about Jesus or the Scriptures.

Makes you wonder where their attention was.

 

[isshinwhat]

i thought that the church now allows cremation?

They allow it as long as the person requesting it is not doing so as a denial of a physical resurrection after the second coming of Christ.

God Bless,

Neal

 

[sklippstein]

how could anyone claim that Jesus or the scriptures were not taught in the catholic church? Every single Sunday Scripture is used!!! Did they sleep through it?

 

[ZooMom]

If they did they won't admit it. I went to Mass for several years with my husband after he converted, and I couldn't tell you squat about any of it. I wasn't paying attention. I wasn't asleep, but my attention was on other things. When I did finally clue in, I was amazed at what I had been missing. It was kinda embarrassing. I mean, I had been going to Mass every Sunday for several years, and I couldn't follow along with the proper responses without using a book! :o

 

[sklippstein]

Zoomom.......i think that there are many other catholics that are doing or have done the same. U get out of it what u put into it. If u are going just to simply go to Mass on Sunday......then that's what u will get. If u are attending Mass for the purpose of receiving Christ, his teaching, and experiencing the love of God.....u will receive it.

 

[VOW]

I tell people that all the time, SK: you get out of Church what you put into it.

I'm going to cut Zoo a little slack, though. When you are tending babies, it's easy for the rest of Mass to just kinda slide by. I personally made a little deal with God when my kids were little. I would take them to Church and get them to learn how to behave, and then after they were older I'd allow myself to "feel" along with the service.


Peace,
~VOW

 

[ZooMom]

Originally posted by sklippstein
Zoomom.......i think that there are many other catholics that are doing or have done the same. U get out of it what u put into it. If u are going just to simply go to Mass on Sunday......then that's what u will get. If u are attending Mass for the purpose of receiving Christ, his teaching, and experiencing the love of God.....u will receive it.

I agree. But I wasn't Catholic at the time. I was just going because it was important to my husband, and because at his Confirmation I agreed to raise our children in the Catholic faith. So, as bad as it sounds, I wasn't there to 'get' anything out of it. I still considered myself Methodist, and I simply wasn't interested in learning about the Catholic faith. I think part of the reason I never 'woke up' and noticed what was going on was that I felt from the first so completely comfortable being there. If there had been something that disturbed me or sounded warning bells, I probably would have paid more attention.



VOW

 

[sklippstein]

well i'm glad that u are getting more out of the Mass now! It is an awesome experience and awakening. God bless u.