Hell is a miraculous place

chriscomplex · May 26, 2017

JayW said:
No, it proves that the people who think they are clever in mocking God fail to understand Him.

Who fails to understand

"Love me or go to hell"

Only an abuse victim.

-V- · May 26, 2017

chriscomplex said:
Consider this:

Hell is a place outside of God (Separation from him)

It is also a place of eternal fire (Eternal energy)

The law of entropy (The 2nd law of thermodynamics) disallows this by the fact God is not present to sustain it's energy requirements.

If the natural laws of thermodynamics has been suspended for hell, then it must be a miraculous place.

Ok. Supposing that's correct... do you have more of a point beyond "hell is miraculous"?

Sam91 · May 26, 2017

God created the laws of physics. Something we can't grasp is how things would be without these laws having lived with them our whole life.

He doesn't need something He makes obey those. He is far Greater than physics. Praise Him!

chriscomplex · May 26, 2017

Aldebaran said:
Um, the "forbidden fruit" (assuming that's what you're referring to) was never named. Not sure how the apple became the symbol of knowledge.

Mmm, it's very knowlegy.

chriscomplex · May 26, 2017

-V- said:
Ok. Supposing that's correct... do you have more of a point beyond "hell is miraculous"?

I certainly do, will corrupted souls receive equally corrupted body's when residing in hell. Or will they given perfect body's then go to hell?

chriscomplex · May 26, 2017

Sam91 said:
God created the laws of physics. Something we can't grasp is how things would be without these laws having lived with them our whole life.

He doesn't need something He makes obey those. He is far Greater than physics. Praise Him!

I'm just pointing out how ridiculous hell is, that the God of the universe would go that far to toast people.

Really?

-V- · May 26, 2017

chriscomplex said:
I certainly do, will corrupted souls receive equally corrupted body's when residing in hell. Or will they given perfect body's then go to hell?

They will have physical bodies that won't be able to die.

I'm just pointing out how ridiculous hell is, that the God of the universe would go that far to toast people.
Really?

What's ridiculous about having you pay for your own sin if you reject God doing it for you?

timewerx · May 26, 2017

chriscomplex said:
That just proves that the people responsible for creating the concept of hell didn't understand the logical fallacy they created.

I don't believe in hell.

I'm simply trying to update you on the 2nd law of thermodynamics. Your knowledge on the matter is now a bit dated. Not by much though. The discovery was only made 3 or 4 years ago which is still very recent.

chriscomplex · May 26, 2017

-V- said:
They will have physical bodies that won't be able to die.

What's ridiculous about having you pay for your own sin if you reject God doing it for you?

Ah, but you can't pay for your sins while in hell, unless you can escape.

But then you can't pay for anything, by the laws of Christianity.

Aldebaran · May 26, 2017

chriscomplex said:
I'm just pointing out how ridiculous hell is, that the God of the universe would go that far to toast people.

Really?

Hell was created for the devil and the fallen angels who decided to follow him. The people who have rejected God and His salvation end up there because they have also rejected God.

chriscomplex · May 26, 2017

timewerx said:
I don't actually believe in hell.

I'm simply trying to update you on the 2nd law of thermodynamics. Your knowledge on the matter is now a bit dated. Not by much though. The discovery was only made 3 or 4 years ago which is still very recent.

Yes I know there are some changes to our understanding concerning the natural universe, such as the speed of light. But any of these things will not eliminate the core theories.

-V- · May 26, 2017

chriscomplex said:
Ah, but you can't pay for your sins while in hell,

So?

But then you can't pay for anything, by the laws of Christianity.

Which is why God suggests letting Him pay it for you.

chriscomplex · May 26, 2017

Aldebaran said:
Hell was created for the devil and the fallen angels who decided to follow him. The people who have rejected God and His salvation end up there because they have also rejected God.

How can you reject something you cant, touch, taste, smell, see or hear?

Sam91 · May 26, 2017

chriscomplex said:
I'm just pointing out how ridiculous hell is, that the God of the universe would go that far to toast people.

Really?

I listened to something about how to explain hell to a young child.

Explaining Hell to Our Children (Episode 1036) #AskPastorJohn Explaining Hell to Our Children | Desiring God

Saint Beloved · May 26, 2017

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Saint Beloved · May 26, 2017

I closed Safari in mid post earlier I hadn't finished typing it out no idea it had posted till I came back to finish, sorry!!!
Ok there are a few more posts let me read them before I reply

chriscomplex · May 26, 2017

Saint Beloved said:
I heard that Satan and 1/3 of the Angels in Heaven that fell with him will be in there plus the anti-christ and the false prophet from the last battleand the

It depends on the strength of the individual believers faith and understanding of Jesus' teaching of the salvation doctrine. In Him I don't fear death's sting or Hell because provided I stay in Him keeping His commandments my salvation and sanctification is assured. However, if I start to backslide and knowingly, willingly disobey Him then I do risk losing salvation but the resulting blinding of my heart and ignorance will be my fault entirely and will promote apathy in me so whilst living out my days I probably won't fear it, may even joke about it but eventually when I die the reality of it will strike me but it wikl be too late. Backsliding believers should be warned of Hell. Ner converts abd unbelievers should be focusing on Heaven.

I'll tell you a short story:

I met a drug couple, who were speed addict's. They invited me in to try some speed, after I refused to inject it the guy took a shower and left me alone with his girlfriend. I noticed stitches in her lips and a bruised cheek.

I said straight out

"Is your boyfriend beating you up"

She looked at me with complete shame and said

"Yeah...but he loves me, so you see I can't leave"

Aldebaran · May 26, 2017

chriscomplex said:
I'll tell you a short story:

I met a drug couple, who were speed addict's. They invited me in to try some speed, after I refused to inject it the guy took a shower and left me alone with his girlfriend. I noticed stitches in her lips and a bruised cheek.

I said straight out

"Is your boyfriend beating you up"

She looked at me with complete shame and said

"Yeah...but he loves me, so you see I can't leave"

And the moral of your short story is......?

chriscomplex · May 26, 2017

Aldebaran said:
And the moral of your short story is......?

Don't take drugs kids, and don't fall into a relationship that will hurt you if you don't.

FrankDux · May 26, 2017

chriscomplex said:
Hell is a place outside of God (Separation from him)

Yes, seperation

That is called " karet "

Keritot[edit]

(כריתות) means "Excisions"; Deals with the commandments for which the penalty is karet ("spiritual excision") as well as the sacrifices associated with their (mostly unwitting) transgression. 6 chapters

Used 215 times in the scriptures

One of my faves, Daniel 9:26

" And after threescore and two weeks shall Messiah be cut off, but not for himself: and the people of the prince that shall come shall destroy the city and the sanctuary; and the end thereof shall be with a flood, and unto the end of the war desolations are determined "

כרת karath {kaw-rath'} a primitive root; TWOT - 1048; v AV - cut off 145, make 85, cut down 23, cut 9, fail 6, destroy 4, want 3, covenanted 2, hew 2, misc 9; 288 1) to cut, cut off, cut down, cut off a body part, cut out, eliminate, kill, cut a covenant 1a) (Qal) 1a1) to cut off 1a1a) to cut off a body part, behead 1a2) to cut down 1a3) to hew 1a4) to cut or make a covenant 1b) (Niphal) 1b1) to be cut off 1b2) to be cut down 1b3) to be chewed 1b4) to be cut off, fail 1c) (Pual) 1c1) to be cut off 1c2) to be cut down 1d) (Hiphil) 1d1) to cut off 1d2) to cut off, destroy 1d3) to cut down, destroy 1d4) to take away 1d5) to permit to perish 1e) (Hophal) cut off

In Greek:

Rom 11:22 Behold therefore the goodness and severity of God: on them which fell severity; but toward thee, goodness, if thou continue in his goodness: otherwise thou also shalt be cut off.

εκκοπτω ekkopto {ek-kop'-to} from 1537 and 2875; TDNT - 3:857,453; v AV - cut off 4, hewn down 3, cut down 2, cut out 1, be hindered 1; 11 1) to cut out, cut off 1a) of a tree 2) metaph. to cut off occasion

The noun form in Hebrew does not occur in the Hebrew Bible, but,..

In the Talmud, kareth means not necessarily physical "cutting off" of life, but extinction of the soul and denial of a share in the world to come

Essentially, " outer darkness '

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