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Unknown... God knows,

But,

If not for Gods forgiveness and pardon many of us would be doomed.

It is not based on works we have done but on Christs work.

And do we really know if God sends agnostics to hell, or people who lived "good" lives? (And I know "there is none good, no not one...")
Read Matthew 25:31 - 46.

How do we know what God does at the precise moment seconds before someone dies? How do we know God doesn't reveal himself by the Spirit at the last breath or beat of the heart? We don't know.
I used to say "so and so went to hell... he's in hell right now, he's burning."
How wrong such judgment is! For all we know God revealed himself at the moment of death, the person grasped onto God with full acknowedgement and was redeemed....
 
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No what we refute is the Babylonian concept of salvation and its limited duration. Salvation will happen to all men in God's timing not some fundamental religious bias organization. You call this the age of grace, no this is the church age; God’s grace will never end; it will keep saving into the uttermost.
Hebrews 7:25
NT:3838 panteles (pan-tel-ace'); from NT:3956 and NT:5056; full-ended, i.e. entire (neuter as noun, completion):
(Hebrews 7:25)
Wherefore He is able also to save them to the uttermost that come unto God by Him, seeing He ever liveth to make intercession for them."
The Greek word is "entugchano" meaning: to meet with, converse with, have dealings with. Some of the corrupted theology of man teaches that Jesus Christ, as the compassionate Son, stands before the throne of God pleading with God to be kind to us, as if, without this pleading for us, God would be disposed to do us harm. Such is a vast caricature of the truth. God so loved the world that He gave His Son for us. "To wit, that God was in Christ, reconciling the world unto Himself," It was the Father who sent Jesus to reveal that mercy and grace to us.
Therefore, we find that His intercession is to us-ward, to bring us back to the Father, working in us, to meet with us, reveal the Father's love to us, that we might turn and serve Him with all of our heart. We are the ones that need to be interceded with - to be conversed with, to be told of this tremendous salvation, this life which is for us in Christ. Because He ever liveth, His ministry shall not cease until He has drawn every one of us back unto the Father, "saved to the uttermost."
Luke 3: 6 (Amp)
And all mankind shall see (behold and [a]understand and at last acknowledge) the salvation of God (the deliverance from eternal death decreed by God).


Are you born again because you have received Jesus as savior which is actually in most cases justified by faith; not born again. Born again is a catch all phase with many fundamental religions; I believe it is much deeper.

1 John 3:9
Whosoever is born of God
doth not commit sin; for his seed remaineth in him: and he cannot sin, because he is born of God.

I sure do not fit this mode I still sin.

1 John 5:1
Whosoever believeth that Jesus is the Christ is born of God: and every one that loveth him that begat loveth him also that is begotten of him.


Here the word born speaks of to procreate, conceive and what I have seen of most evangelical fundamental religions this would be much more appropriate. It takes nine more months in a mothers womb to be born; the baby is in a deep dark place.

Born: NT:1080
gennao (ghen-nah'-o); from a variation of NT:1085; to procreate (properly, of the father, but by extension of the mother); figuratively, to regenerate:

 
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That is what the Lake of Devine Purging is all about; to annihilate the sin; not the people (limited duration)
 
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You obviously do not understand the dual nature of man which is both flesh and spirit; otherwise you would understand that it is the flesh (first Adam, or natural body, the goat) that is unrighteous and condemned. The Spirit within us (last Adam, or spiritual body, the sheep) is the righteous one that is saved.

1 Corinthians 15:42-49 So will it be with the resurrection of the dead. The body that is sown is perishable, it is raised imperishable; it is sown in dishonor, it is raised in glory; it is sown in weakness, it is raised in power; it is sown a natural body, it is raised a spiritual body. If there is a natural body, there is also a spiritual body. So it is written: "The first man Adam became a living being"; the last Adam, a life-giving spirit. The spiritual did not come first, but the natural, and after that the spiritual. The first man was of the dust of the earth, the second man from heaven. As was the earthly man, so are those who are of the earth; and as is the man from heaven, so also are those who are of heaven. And just as we have borne the likeness of the earthly man, so shall we bear the likeness of the man from heaven.
 
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You obviously can't accept God's statements of fact.
It isn't about MAN, IT'S ABOUT GOD'S STANDARD.

I don't need to know the "duality of man" when I have the CREED OF GOD who says that He will not allow the unbelieving and unrepentant lost into His kingdom.

What part of that is so confusing to you? IT IS BLACK AND WHITE in plain English (and Greek).

IF YOU LIVE THIS WAY, IF YOU DO NOT ACCEPT, YOU WILL NOT ENTER THE KINGDOM OF GOD.
DO NOT BE DECIEVED.

It's not about US, it's about God's JUSTICE AND RIGHTEOUSNESS.
 
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That is what the Lake of Devine Purging is all about; to annihilate the sin; not the people (limited duration)
WHERE DOES IT SAY THAT SPECIFICALLY? IT SAYS THEY GET THROWN IN, NOT THE SIN!

THEY are thrown in. again, you ignore God's words found everywhere -

IF YOU LIVE THIS WAY, IF YOU REJECT CHRIST/SALVATION YOU WILL NOT INHERIT HIS KINGDOM.
do not be decieved.

Again, accept God's plain words as they clearly state.
Or consider your bible a contradictory fallacy to remove these.
God cannot be any clearer. THIS is why people complain about "man made religion". Altering it to suit US.
 
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15And if anyone's name was not found written in the book of life, he was thrown into the lake of fire.


45And if thy foot offend thee, cut it off: it is better for thee to enter halt into life, than having two feet to be cast into hell, into the fire that never shall be quenched:

(wouldn't it be BETTER if just the SIN was thrown in? This verse clearly shows it's the PERSON being cast in).

But for the cowardly and unbelieving and abominable and murderers and immoral persons and sorcerers and idolaters and all liars, their part will be in the lake that burns with fire and brimstone, which is the second death."

not their SINS, them.
 
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Exactly!

When you give credit to man for ANYTHING, you are stepping out of the Spirit and into the flesh.
I have credited GOD in giving us His plain truth about how HE judges. It's His domain to judge and OUR job to accept whatever that is.

I can't personally reconcile how God is LOVE, yet is able to watch an infant molested by a brutal pervert! Could YOU do sit by and not rescue that infant??

If God is able in His sovereignty to allow things we see that go on down here, then we surely should be able to accept that His judgment can be forever on an unrepentant soul who chose to reject their ransom - to keep them from that very fate.
 
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Hi Ben12
Lets spell it out what you are saying


I says this

Hell is a correctional jail


People think; if one goes to hell, it will never leave there, this does not have sense.

But, if hell is a place where conscience is taken from our bad conducts, for the repentance, then, hell is a place of true correction, where we cleaned ourselves of all our bad spirits,

Thus it would have sense
 
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Christ went down to the depths of death so that "the dead will hear the voice of the Son of God, and those who will hear will live." John 5:25 Jesus, " the Author of life," by dying destroyed "him who has the power of death , that is, the devil, and delivered all those who through fear of death were subject to lifelong bondage." Hebrew 2:14-15 (from the Catechism of the Catholic Church)
 
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Hell GETS THROWN INTO THE LAKE OF FIRE - WHICH IS ETERNAL. Death, sin, unbelievers, Satan & his false prophet & antichrist also get thrown into the lake.

It is the 2nd death / eternal condemnation of the soul.

HELL is the temporary holding 'tank' for those who have died without Christ and await their final judgment before God - judged=sentence to punishment for all that is done IN the body (while alive).

Rev. 20:
13 And the sea gave up the dead which were in it, and death and Hades gave up the dead which were in them; and they were judged, every one of them according to their deeds.
14 Then death and Hades were thrown into the lake of fire This is the second death, the lake of fire.

Are you guys even READING the verses provided here? Becuz you keep repeating your denials - all you're doing is showing your refusal to accept the Bible's claims.

They cannot be any clearer and detailed.
 
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Revelations is the most spiritual book written in the Bible; it is no wonder the carnal religous order has no clue. Revelation 2:11 ( 11 He that hath an ear, let him hear what the Spirit saith unto the churches; (not what it says literally/carnally/religiously but SPIRITUALLY) He that overcometh shall not be hurt of the second death (or the Lake of Fire). This is what God’s purpose for the ages for God's called out, to overcome sin, death by the blood of the lamb. If you are an overcomer you are not effected by the Lake of Devine Purging; because you have overcome all.


I do believe the wicked punished (pruned) in the lake of fire; but not eternally. A careful study of the Greek word “aionios” (translated as “eternal,” “everlasting,” and “forever and ever” in our English translations) shows that it comes from the Greek noun “aion” which always means “an indeterminate period of time.” It is a most unfortunate thing that the translators of old chose to translate “aionios” from the Latin language rather than the Greek from which the word is derived. God’s punishment will not last forever as is commonly taught, but will only last for the ages and only UNTIL God’s purpose for it is complete.

I believe every word that the Bible says about the lake of fire; I don't believe what Rome says about it, nor what the apostate Churches say about it, nor what tradition says about it; but I certainly believe what the Bible says about it.

The teaching concerning the lake of fire does not appear anywhere in Scripture except in the book of Revelation (a book of symbols) where it is spoken of in the following passages: Rev. 14:10-11; 19:20; 20:10; 20:13-15 and 21:8. This last passage definitely states, "But the fearful, and unbelieving, and the abominable, and murderers, and whoremongers, and sorcerers, and idolators, and all liars shall have their part in the lake which burns with fire and brimstone: which is the second death." There should be no question remaining as to the certainty of this lake of fire; neither should there be any doubt as to the awful consequence of having to be cast into it. These Scriptures with their dreadful foreboding should be a fearful warning to all unthinking and foolish people who, because of their love for the world, the flesh, and the devil, have dared to ask why we should serve God now if all are going to be saved eventually. Such people have no love for God nor fear of God, and they manifest by what they say that their professed serving of God is only a pretense, arising - not from any true love for Him - but from fear of punishment. If there were no prospect of hell these would promptly tell God to go to hell and they would, themselves, go to the devil. It is not thus with those who truly love God, for they serve not from fear, but from pure love and devotion. Remove punishment completely from the universe, and they would still serve God with all their hearts.


FIRE is the heat and light that you feel and see when something burns. It takes heat to start a fire, but once the fire is started it produces heat that keeps the process going. Thus, fire is really HEAT and LIGHT.

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It is God who does all these things.

Isaiah 45:7 I form the light and create darkness, I bring prosperity and create disaster; I, the LORD, do all these things.

In Daniel 4, King Nebuchadnezzar claimed the kingdom he built was the work of his own hands. God brought disaster into his life, took everything from him, but left the “stump” until he acknowledged it was heaven that ruled.

You may say that disaster is Gods punishment for those who sin but think about Job who was perfect in Gods eyes. Job was a witness that both good and bad are from God and that we should accept it. We should trust that all God does is for His good purpose.

God does all these things you are talking about to bring man to his knees. And he leaves us there until we give all credit to Him, even credit for our salvation. No one can boast that their salvation is by choice; it is brought about by Gods "purifying fire".
 
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Look guys, you're REJECTING THE SCRIPTURES that spell the entire process out for you.
Not just Revelation either, Ben... 1 Cor 6:9 THOSE WHO LIVE THIS WAY WILL NOT ENTER THE KINGDOM OF GOD.
WILL NOT - it doesn't say "will enter later after they repent & God lets them back out". Adding, "DO NOT BE DECIEVED" to let you know, that they are NOT getting in EVER.

You guys continue rejecting what the Bible says, I'm done with you on it.
I posted the majority of all the verses thruout the entire NT that defeat your opinions and misuses of scriptures; yanking them from their proper contexts and inserting your own meanings into principles - ignoring what's already spelled out in how God judges the DEAD.

Just keep in mind that anyone you mislead with your opinions rather than what God's word says, you are responsible for once you've been shown the truth.

God wrote His word, let HIM tell you HIs truth - it's our job to comply and submit to His plan.
 
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Absolutely right, Nadiine. This is why I gave up on this thread a few days ago. Some folks can't be reached. My guess is, someone has a loved one or friend who isn't a believer, or who doesn't live by God's instructions. They try desperately to find a loophole so their loved one doesn't have to burn for eternity. In all the years I've been studying theology, it seems it always comes down to personal reasons why some can't accept what Scripture clearly states. They'll claim it isn't for these reasons, but deep down it usually is.

It is also clear you cannot change some folks ways of thinking.

Your effort was valiant and godly, but it has fallen on deaf ears. Thanks for trying to help show folks the truth of Scripture. Grace and Peace to you.
 
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Hi Ndiine

How you interpret what follows?

MATHHEW 24
15 9 "When you see the desolating abomination
10 spoken of through Daniel the prophet standing in the holy place (let the reader understand),
16 then those in Judea must flee 11 to the mountains,
17 12 a person on the housetop must not go down to get things out of his house,
18 a person in the field must not return to get his cloak.
19 Woe to pregnant women and nursing mothers in those days.
20 13 Pray that your flight not be in winter or on the sabbath,
21 14 for at that time there will be great tribulation, such as has not been since the beginning of the world until now, nor ever will be.
22 And if those days had not been shortened, no one would be saved; but for the sake of the elect they will be shortened.
23 If anyone says to you then, 'Look, here is the Messiah!' or, 'There he is!' do not believe it.
24 False messiahs and false prophets will arise, and they will perform signs and wonders so great as to deceive, if that were possible, even the elect.
25 Behold, I have told it to you beforehand.
 
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I says this

Hell is a correctional jail

Why do you say this ?

But, if hell is a place where conscience is taken from our bad conducts, for the repentance, then, hell is a place of true correction, where we cleaned ourselves of all our bad spirits,

Thus it would have sense

Why would this make sense ? That says nothing about a relationship with the Lord but about things and actions - "do not handle ; do not taste ; do not touch" .
 
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Matthew 5:13


13"You are the salt of the earth. But if the salt loses its saltiness, how can it be made salty again? It is no longer good for anything, except to be thrown out and trampled by men.
 
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