Hell for those who can't believe?

[Birthew]

Hello I've been posting on here a while now and just want to confirm a few things.

Firstly; that god does not send those to hell who have never encountered religion. My question is what if they have done bad things in their society and what if they have done good things? Does the fact they were unaware they are to be judged influence their outcome in heaven.

I would also like to know about people with mental problems such as autism. People who cannot even be taught and cannot comprehend god.

I would also like to know about people who have done wrong but it was out of their control, for example sleep walking and then killing somebody. Or developing a brain tumor, which can seriously change a persons personality and can cause some to become very aggressive.

And lastly if god does not punish those, (who are morally good of their society), who have not been told of god how can he punish someone who is told of so many religions. Someone who would believe if there was a universal religion but cannot as they see every religion contradict each other and see religion as a social product.

Thank you for reading

 

[drich0150]

Hello I've been posting on here a while now and just want to confirm a few things.

Firstly; that god does not send those to hell who have never encountered religion. My question is what if they have done bad things in their society and what if they have done good things? Does the fact they were unaware they are to be judged influence their outcome in heaven.

I would also like to know about people with mental problems such as autism. People who cannot even be taught and cannot comprehend god.

I would also like to know about people who have done wrong but it was out of their control, for example sleep walking and then killing somebody. Or developing a brain tumor, which can seriously change a persons personality and can cause some to become very aggressive.

And lastly if god does not punish those, (who are morally good of their society), who have not been told of god how can he punish someone who is told of so many religions. Someone who would believe if there was a universal religion but cannot as they see every religion contradict each other and see religion as a social product.

Thank you for reading

We are told God will Judge us all of us according all the factors you have listed and many many more. Your judgment is not some arbitrary attempt at justice. Our judgments will be complete in the fact that every possibility, every single opportunity will be reviewed and scrutinized. Make no mistake there will be no defense because unlike in an earthly trial among your peers, there is nothing to decipher or misrepresent. You will completely agree with the final judgment even if now you disagree with the process.

Hebrews 4:
12 For the word of God is alive and active. Sharper than any double-edged sword, it penetrates even to dividing soul and spirit, joints and marrow; it judges the thoughts and attitudes of the heart. 13 Nothing in all creation is hidden from God’s sight. Everything is uncovered and laid bare before the eyes of him to whom we must give account.

In John 1:1 we establish that the "Word of God" Is Jesus Christ, and He will be your judge. He will slice down and make your life's decisions and opportunities plain to see. There will be nothing hidden nor anything over looked. It is to this ultimate judgment in which you will have to give an account. This means that God will righteously judge everyone fairly and according to what they were exposed to or had access to in their individual lives. "To those in whom much was given, much will be expected. In turn for those in whom little was given little is expected."
Jesus told us this when He was alive. I am sure it is to this rule that alot of your personal judgment will be decided.

 

[If Not For Grace]

You will completely agree with the final judgment even if now you disagree with the process.

Will it matter whether you agree or not?

 

[drich0150]

Will it matter whether you agree or not?

The answer you seek is built into the orginal statement.

 

[bling]

Hello I've been posting on here a while now and just want to confirm a few things.

Firstly; that god does not send those to hell who have never encountered religion. My question is what if they have done bad things in their society and what if they have done good things? Does the fact they were unaware they are to be judged influence their outcome in heaven.

I would also like to know about people with mental problems such as autism. People who cannot even be taught and cannot comprehend god.

I would also like to know about people who have done wrong but it was out of their control, for example sleep walking and then killing somebody. Or developing a brain tumor, which can seriously change a persons personality and can cause some to become very aggressive.

And lastly if god does not punish those, (who are morally good of their society), who have not been told of god how can he punish someone who is told of so many religions. Someone who would believe if there was a universal religion but cannot as they see every religion contradict each other and see religion as a social product.

Thank you for reading

1. Most importantly: The Bible does not directly address those that never have the opportunity to accept or reject God’s Love.

2. We know God is fair and just by the best standards so everyone will receive fair justice.

3. The Bible does not teach people will burn in “hell” forever, but does refer to an “eternal flame” but that is more in line with the concept of it cannot be put out, God could stop it.

4. Only those in heaven are talked about as having eternal life and that those not in heaven will not have eternal life (so that seems to include not having eternal life in hell).

5. There is also the concept of degrees of punishment corresponding to the transgressions.

6. The Bible does talk about every mature adult person having a conscience (truth written on their hearts) that they realize and feel. Mature adults for at least the early part of their adult lives do feel the burden from their actions that hurt other people. They want to relieve that burden or have a way of living with that burden. The only true way is to seek and accept their Creator’s forgiveness.

From my understanding of God these people that have not had the opportunity to accept God’s Love (in the form of God’s forgiveness [mercy/grace/Love/charity]) will inter heaven with a wonderful child to wonderful parent type love and we that have Godly type Love will would have the opportunity and privilege of protecting, serving and preserving them for eternity. Unfortunately, they will never really obtain “Godly type Love” (Man’s earthly objective) since they no long preside on earth.

As far as “judging” people that is really done by God at the heart level. The “why are they doing this” good or bad lies in their heart and that is what will be judged good or bad. If you do “good” just to be seen of men or to get something for yourself in the future (selfish reasons) that will not go well for you at the Judgment.

 

[singpeace]

All infants, children, and those with diminished mental capacities due to Autism, Downs Syndrome,
etc. do not go to hell. They go to heaven.

Jeremiah 1:5
5. Before I formed thee in the belly I knew thee; and before thou camest forth out of the
womb I sanctified thee, [and] I ordained thee a prophet unto the nations.

(He was pure coming out of the womb. See Also: also: Mat. 18:6 and Isa. 40:11)

1 John 2:12
12. I write unto you, little children, because your sins are forgiven you for his name's sake.
13. I write unto you, fathers, because ye have known him [that is] from the beginning. I write
unto you, young men, because ye have overcome the wicked one. I write unto you, little children,
because ye have known the Father.

(God forgives little children because --- they know the Father) See Rom. 8:1

For those who have never heard of Jesus, God will judge them according to what they did know and hear. He will judge them according to how they chose to live; for every person has the knowledge instinctively within him what is good and what is evil; and that there is a God, though they may not know his name. God does not have double standards.


Romans 1:18-21

For the truth about God is known to them instinctively. God
has put this knowledge in their hearts. From the time the world
was created, people have seen the earth and sky and all that
God made. They can clearly see his invisible qualities–his eternal
power and divine nature. So they have no excuse whatsoever for
not knowing God. Yes, they knew God, but they wouldn’t worship
him as God or even give him thanks. And they began to think up
foolish ideas of what God was like. The result was that their minds
became dark and confused.


Many times the bible speaks of a judgement where people are judged according to their works and actions.

Let me clearly state that salvation doesn’t come by works, salvation comes from recognizing that Jesus is the Son of God, believing he died
for our sins, and receiving him as Lord.

For those who have never heard of Jesus, He will give eternal life to those who persist in doing what is good, seeking after the glory and honor and immortality that God offers because every human being knows right from wrong as God has placed this knowledge in our hearts.

But he will pour out his anger and wrath on those who live for themselves, who refuse to obey the truth and practice evil deeds. There will be trouble and calamity for everyone who keeps on sinning–for the Jew first and also for the Gentile.

This passage and many others in Romans 1 and 2 point to some basic truths:

• God will judge all people according to what they have done
• bad news for those who live for themselves (selfishness)
• good news for those who do what is good (loving others)

But there will be glory and honor and peace from God for all who do good–for the Jew first and also for the Gentile. For God does not show favoritism.

I encourage you to read Romans chapters 1 and 2.

 

[aiki]

Firstly; that god does not send those to hell who have never encountered religion. My question is what if they have done bad things in their society and what if they have done good things? Does the fact they were unaware they are to be judged influence their outcome in heaven.

Here's what the Bible has to say:

Romans 1:18-23
18 For the wrath of God is revealed from heaven against all ungodliness and unrighteousness of men, who suppress the truth in unrighteousness,
19 because what may be known of God is manifest in them, for God has shown it to them.
20 For since the creation of the world His invisible attributes are clearly seen, being understood by the things that are made, even His eternal power and Godhead, so that they are without excuse,
21 because, although they knew God, they did not glorify Him as God, nor were thankful, but became futile in their thoughts, and their foolish hearts were darkened.
22 Professing to be wise, they became fools,
23 and changed the glory of the incorruptible God into an image made like corruptible man--and birds and four-footed animals and creeping things.

Some things to note from the above passage:


1. "The wrath of God is revealed from heaven against all ungodliness and unrighteousness of men." (vs. 18)

2. People "suppress the truth in unrighteousness." (vs. 18) What is the truth they suppress? The revelation of God in Creation. (vs. 20)
3. People replace a transcendent God with that which He has made; worshipping the creature rather than the Creator, the thing that is made rather than its Maker. (vs. 23)

For these reasons no one can claim guiltlessness before God; all stand under the wrath of the holy Creator.

What about those who die never hearing the saving truth of the gospel? The Bible offers this in response:

Luke 12:47-48
47 And that servant who knew his master's will, and did not prepare himself or do according to his will, shall be beaten with many stripes.
48 But he who did not know, yet committed things deserving of stripes, shall be beaten with few. For everyone to whom much is given, from him much will be required; and to whom much has been committed, of him they will ask the more.

Note verse 42 in particular, which indicates that ignorance plays a part in determining the severity with which God's punishment will be meted out. Although all are guilty of punishment, as the passage in Romans explains, God does take into account one's knowledge of the truth in measuring the degree of that punishment.

I would also like to know about people with mental problems such as autism. People who cannot even be taught and cannot comprehend god.

In the story of King David and Bathsheba when God takes the life of the newborn son made of the adulterous union of the two as a punishment upon David's great sin, David remarks,

2 Samuel 12:23
23 "But now he is dead; why should I fast? Can I bring him back again? I shall go to him, but he shall not return to me."

Here is a clear indication that David expected to meet his infant child in heaven. The plain implication in this is that in some instances God overlooks the sinful nature of human beings and extends to them the same undeserved mercy and grace that He offers the rest of humanity through his Son, Jesus Christ. King David's newborn child could not comprehend the concepts of right and wrong, could not understand the Good News of Christ's salvation of mankind, was unable to recognize the stamp of God upon Creation, and so God, being the merciful and gracious God that He is, redeemed the child in spite of the curse of sin upon it. In the same way, I believe God redeems from the penalty of sin those whose profound cognitive disabilities prevent understanding the gospel, and the concepts of God and right and wrong, and the mark of God on the physical world.

I would also like to know about people who have done wrong but it was out of their control, for example sleep walking and then killing somebody. Or developing a brain tumor, which can seriously change a persons personality and can cause some to become very aggressive.

No, I don't think God holds us responsible for those things we may accidently do that are harmful.

And lastly if god does not punish those, (who are morally good of their society), who have not been told of god how can he punish someone who is told of so many religions. Someone who would believe if there was a universal religion but cannot as they see every religion contradict each other and see religion as a social product.

Being stymied by a variety of options is not the same as being unaware of, or completely unable to comprehend, any option at all.

Selah.

 

[emualliance1]

I think atheists should go to heaven as a reward for having sense

 

[BibleDave]

A baby that dies will not go to hell. I can only guess that the same will happen to those who haven't had the choice or who haunt even heard of the lord. I believe that god will judge people fairly and he most likely will judge them on if they have held up Christian principles.

People in Africa are born into slavery and poverty and die young even as they have done nothing wrong. Maybe its because they have inherited their parents or grandparents sins. Maybe this could be comparable to what will happen to those who have not heard of god.

All I can say is that God loves everyone and has a reason for everything. That Is what I believe.

God bless,
Dave.

I think atheists should go to heaven as a reward for having sense

Wouldn't it be more sensible to be on the safe side of going throughout an eternity of unimaginable pain, ending up in a place called hell?

 

[bling]

I think atheists should go to heaven as a reward for having sense

They would not be happy there.