Hell doesn't exist and there is no eternal suffering, instead bad peolle just cease to exist

[JulieB67]

. Do you believe this annihilation is immediately after death, or is it at the Last Judgment?

I believe at the last judgement. Christ called it the second death.

And if at the Last Judgment, what is the condition of the psyche until the final judgment, unconscious or being in some sort of torment?

I believe there is a gulf as Christ described. And I believe after Christ was quickened/made alive in the Spirit he went to that side to preach to the spirits in prison.

 

[Andrewn]

I believe there is a gulf as Christ described. And I believe after Christ was quickened/made alive in the Spirit he went to that side to preach to the spirits in prison.

Thank you for the explanation. I'm trying to think how this scenario would fit with my understanding that distinguishes the soul / psyche / nefesh and the spirit / pneuma / ruach

1Pe 4:6 For this was the reason the Good News was proclaimed even to those now dead, so that though they are judged in the flesh before humans, they might live in the Ruach before God. (TLV)

It seems that the Lord Jesus went in the spirit and made a proclamation to the spirits in prison. So, here, as in the parable of Rich and Lazarus, the spirits are conscious.

Do you believe those in the spirit prison have a chance to repent and go to paradise?

 

[timothyu]

So, here, as in the parable of Rich and Lazarus, the spirits are conscious.

He was talking to the captive rebellious elohim

 

[JulieB67]

Do you believe those in the spirit prison have a chance to repent and go to paradise?

Sorry, I was at work but Christ taught them the gospel so it stands to reason they were given a chance after Christ died and rose again. For what other reason would he preach the good news to them? What are your beliefs? I know many believe in soul sleep but I don't see why Christ would even mention a gulf that divides them. Yes, it's a parable but I believe the gulf is based in reality.

 

[Jipsah]

Thus it has become evident to me that that image is an extremely carnal one that desires neverending vengeance over any Godly sense of justice, but with those such as Hentenza and Dan1998, they mistakenly assume that endless vengeance is God's brand of justice against sin and iniquity, when Scripture simply has not indictated that.

Hey, it's about Good Guys and Bad Guys. We're the Good Guys (whoever "we" are). They're the Bad Guys (whoever "they" are). We want the Bad Guys tortured forever an our (Good) Guys rewarded for being such superior critters. You don't think so? Well just you wait and see, sinner-boy. We'll see who's laughing then, won't we? We deserve to win because you're probably OK and I know I am.

And it just seems odd to me when they claim in so many ways that Jesus Himself was all for eternal torment, when He is the same Man who taught us to "love your enemies, pray for those who persecute you", AND rebuked one of His disciples when he used a sword to strike off the ear of one of the folk who had come to arrest Him and eventually lead Him to a painful death at the cross!

That was then, but the Revelation gave us a dramatically different image of Jesus. No more love and forgiveness, just mass slaughter. Not a subject I'm willing to pursue, as I see no possible way for any good to come of it,

 

[Jipsah]

He was talking to the captive rebellious elohim

I hadn't heard that idea offered before. Interesting.

 

[Jipsah]

The Word of God is a sweet smelling aroma to those of "us' who believe. But it is the stench of death to the unbelievers. The unbelievers can't obey any commandment, because they hate god and all of His commandments. God knows this and He doesn't expect them to obey, He knows it's impossible for them to obey.

So they're just proeprogrammed NPCs, wandering around committing sins for the devout to take a dim view of. Never real people at all.

 

[SarahsKnight]

That was then, but the Revelation gave us a dramatically different image of Jesus. No more love and forgiveness, just mass slaughter. Not a subject I'm willing to pursue, as I see no possible way for any good to come of it,

Well, that's definitely the picture of Jesus that the Left Behind writers and fans want us to have, yes.