Hell: death of soul?

[Evergreen48]

S S, when you have made a thorough and critical examination of the following, let me know, then we can talk further on this subject.

Topic: Spirit (Vine's)​

<1,,4151,pneuma>
primarily denotes "the wind" (akin to pneo, "to breathe, blow"); also "breath;" then, especially "the spirit," which, like the wind, is invisible, immaterial and powerful. The NT uses of the word may be analyzed approximately as follows:
"(a) the wind, John 3:8 (where marg. is, perhaps, to be preferred); Heb. 1:7; cp. Amos 4:13, Sept.; (b) the breath, 2 Thess. 2:8; Rev. 11:11; 13:15; cp. Job 12:10, Sept.; (c) the immaterial, invisible part of man, Luke 8:55; Acts 7:59; 1 Cor. 5:5; Jas. 2:26; cp. Eccl. 12:7, Sept.; (d) the disembodied (or 'unclothed,' or 'naked,' 2 Cor. 5:3,4) man, Luke 24:37,39; Heb. 12:23; 1 Pet. 4:6; (e) the resurrection body, 1 Cor. 15:45; 1 Tim. 3:16; 1 Pet. 3:18; (f) the sentient element in man, that by which he perceives, reflects, feels, desires, Matt. 5:3; 26:41; Mark 2:8; Luke 1:47,80; Acts 17:16; 20:22; 1 Cor. 2:11; 5:3,4; 14:4,15; 2 Cor. 7:1; cp. Gen. 26:35; Isa. 26:9; Ezek. 13:3; Dan. 7:15; (g) purpose, aim, 2 Cor. 12:18; Phil. 1:27; Eph. 4:23; Rev. 19:10; cp. Ezra 1:5; Ps. 78:8; Dan. 5:12; (h) the equivalent of the personal pronoun, used for emphasis and effect: 1st person, 1 Cor. 16:18; cp. Gen. 6:3; 2nd person, 2 Tim. 4:22; Philem. 1:25; cp. Ps. 139:7; 3rd person, 2 Cor. 7:13; cp. Isa. 40:13; (i) character, Luke 1:17; Rom. 1:4; cp. Num. 14:24; (j) moral qualities and activities: bad, as of bondage, as of a slave, Rom. 8:15; cp. Isa. 61:3; stupor, Rom. 11:8; cp. Isa. 29:10; timidity, 2 Tim. 1:7; cp. Josh. 5:1; good, as of adoption, i.e., liberty as of a son, Rom. 8:15; cp. Ps. 51:12; meekness, 1 Cor. 4:21; cp. Prov. 16:19; faith, 2 Cor. 4:13; quietness, 1 Pet. 3:4; cp. Prov. 14:29 (k) the Holy Spirit, e.g., Matt. 4:1 (see below); Luke 4:18; (l) 'the inward man' (an expression used only of the believer, Rom. 7:22; 2 Cor. 4:16; Eph. 3:16); the new life, Rom. 8:4-6,10,16; Heb. 12:9; cp. Ps. 51:10; (m) unclean spirits, demons, Matt. 8:16; Luke 4:33; 1 Pet. 3:19; cp. 1 Sam. 18:10; (n) angels, Heb. 1:14; cp. Acts 12:15; (o) divine gift for service, 1 Cor. 14:12,32; (p) by metonymy, those who claim to be depostories of these gifts, 2 Thess. 2:2; 1 John 4:1-3; (q) the significance, as contrasted with the form, of words, or of a rite, John 6:63; Rom. 2:29; 7:6; 2 Cor. 3:6; (r) a vision, Rev. 1:10; 4:2; 17:3; 21:10." * [* From Notes on Thessalonians, by Hogg and Vine, pp 204,205.]
Notes: (1) For phantasma, rendered "spirit," Matt. 14:26; Mark 6:49, AV, see APPARITION. (2) For the distinction between "spirit" and "soul," see under SOUL, last three paragraphs.
* The Holy Spirit
The "Holy Spirit" is spoken of under various titles in the NT ("Spirit" and "Ghost" are renderings of the same word, pneuma; the advantage of the rendering "Spirit" is that it can always be used, whereas "Ghost" always requires the word "Holy" prefixed.) In the following list the omission of the definite article marks its omission in the original (concerning this see below): "Spirit, Matt. 22:43; Eternal Spirit, Heb. 9:14; the Spirit, Matt. 4:1; Holy Spirit, Matt. 1:18; the Holy Spirit, Matt. 28:19; the Spirit, the Holy, Matt. 12:32; the Spirit of promise, the Holy, Eph. 1:13; Spirit of God, Rom. 8:9; Spirit of (the) living God, 2 Cor. 3:3; the Spirit of God, 1 Cor. 2:11; the Spirit of our God, 1 Cor. 6:11; the Spirit of God, the Holy, Eph. 4:30; the Spirit of glory and of God, 1 Pet. 4:14; the Spirit of Him that raised up Jesus from the dead (i.e., God), Rom. 8:11; the Spirit of your Father, Matt. 10:20; the Spirit of His Son, Gal. 4:6; Spirit of (the) Lord, Acts 8:39; the Spirit of (the) Lord, Acts 5:9; (the) Lord, (the) Spirit, 2 Cor. 3:18; the Spirit of Jesus, Acts 16:7; Spirit of Christ, Rom. 8:9; the Spirit of Jesus Christ, Phil. 1:19; Spirit of adoption, Rom. 8:15; the Spirit of truth, John 14:17; the Spirit of life, Rom. 8:2; the Spirit of grace, Heb. 10:29." * [* From Notes on Galatians, by Hogg and Vine, p. 193.]
The use or absence of the article in the original where the "Holy Spirit" is spoken of cannot always be decided by grammatical rules, nor can the presence or absence of the article alone determine whether the reference is to the "Holy Spirit." Examples where the Person is meant when the article is absent are Matt. 22:43 (the article is used in Mark 12:36); Acts 4:25, RV (absent in some texts); 19:2,6; Rom. 14:17; 1 Cor. 2:4; Gal. 5:25 (twice); 1 Pet. 1:2. Sometimes the absence is to be accounted for by the fact that Pneuma (like Theos) is substantially a proper name, e.g., in John 7:39. As a general rule the article is present where the subject of the teaching is the Personality of the Holy Spirit, e.g., John 14:26, where He is spoken of in distinction from the Father and the Son. See also 15:26 and cp. Luke 3:22.
In Gal. 3:3, in the phrase "having begun in the Spirit," it is difficult to say whether the reference is to the "Holy Spirit" or to the quickened spirit of the believer; that it possibly refers to the latter is not to be determined by the absence of the article, but by the contrast with "the flesh;" on the other hand, the contrast may be between the "Holy Spirit" who in the believer sets His seal on the perfect work of Christ, and the flesh which seeks to better itself by works of its own. There is no preposition before either noun, and if the reference is to the quickened spirit it cannot be dissociated from the operation of the "Holy Spirit." In Gal. 4:29 the phrase "after the Spirit" signifies "by supernatural power," in contrast to "after the flesh," i.e., "by natural power," and the reference must be to the "Holy Spirit;" so in Gal. 5:17.
The full title with the article before both pneuma and hagios (the "resumptive" use of the article), lit., "the Spirit the Holy," stresses the character of the Person, e.g., Matt. 12:32; Mark 3:29; 12:36; 13:11; Luke 2:26; 10:21 (RV); John 14:26; Acts 1:16; 5:3; 7:51; 10:44,47; 13:2; 15:28; 19:6; 20:23,28; 21:11; 28:25; Eph. 4:30; Heb. 3:7; 9:8; 10:15.
The Personality of the Spirit is emphasized at the expense of strict grammatical procedure in John 14:26; 15:26; 16:8,13,14, where the emphatic pronoun ekeinos, "He," is used of Him in the masculine, whereas the noun pneuma is neuter in Greek, while the corresponding word in Aramaic, the language in which our Lord probably spoke, is feminine (rucha, cp. Heb. ruach). The rendering "itself" in Rom. 8:16,26, due to the Greek gender, is corrected to "Himself" in the RV.
The subject of the "Holy Spirit" in the NT may be considered as to His Divine attributes; His distinct Personality in the Godhead; His operation in connection with the Lord Jesus in His birth, His life, His baptism, His death; His operations in the world; in the church; His having been sent at Pentecost by the Father and by Christ; His operations in the individual believer; in local churches; His operations in the production of Holy Scripture; His work in the world, etc.

Topic: Soul (Vine's)​

<1,,5590,psuche>
denotes "the breath, the breath of life," then "the soul," in its various meanings. The NT uses "may be analyzed approximately as follows:
(a) the natural life of the body, Matt. 2:20; Luke 12:22; Acts 20:10; Rev. 8:9; 12:11; cp. Lev. 17:11; 2 Sam. 14:7; Esth. 8:11; (b) the immaterial, invisible part of man, Matt. 10:28; Acts 2:27; cp. 1 Kings 17:21; (c) the disembodied (or "unclothed" or "naked," 2 Cor. 5:3,4) man, Rev. 6:9; (d) the seat of personality, Luke 9:24, explained as == "own self," Luke 9:25; Heb. 6:19; 10:39; cp. Isa. 53:10 with 1 Tim. 2:6; (e) the seat of the sentient element in man, that by which he perceives, reflects, feels, desires, Matt. 11:29; Luke 1:46; 2:35; Acts 14:2,22; cp. Ps. 84:2; 139:14; Isa. 26:9; (f) the seat of will and purpose, Matt. 22:37; Acts 4:32; Eph. 6:6; Phil. 1:27; Heb. 12:3; cp. Num. 21:4; Deut. 11:13; (g) the seat of appetite, Rev. 18:14; cp. Ps. 107:9; Prov. 6:30; Isa. 5:14 ("desire"); 29:8; (h) persons, individuals, Acts 2:41,43; Rom. 2:9; Jas. 5:20; 1 Pet. 3:20; 2 Pet. 2:14; cp. Gen. 12:5; 14:21 ("persons"); Lev. 4:2 ('any one'); Ezek. 27:13; of dead bodies, Num. 6:6, lit., "dead soul;" and of animals, Lev. 24:18, lit., "soul for soul;" (i) the equivalent of the personal pronoun, used for emphasis and effect:, 1st person, John 10:24 ("us"); Heb. 10:38; cp. Gen. 12:13; Num. 23:10; Jud. 16:30; Ps. 120:2 ("me"); 2nd person, 2 Cor. 12:15; Heb. 13:17; Jas. 1:21; 1 Pet. 1:9; 2:25; cp. Lev. 17:11; 26:15; 1 Sam. 1:26; 3rd person, 1 Pet. 4:19; 2 Pet. 2:8; cp. Exod. 30:12; Job 32:2, Heb. "soul," Sept. "self;" (j) an animate creature, human or other, 1 Cor. 15:45; Rev. 16:3; cp. Gen. 1:24; 2:7,19; (k) "the inward man," the seat of the new life, Luke 21:19 (cp. Matt. 10:39); 1 Pet. 2:11; 3 John 1:2.
"With (j) compare a-psuchos, "soulless, inanimate," 1 Cor. 14:7.
"With (f) compare di-psuchos, "two-souled," Jas. 1:8; 4:8; oligo-psuchos, "feeble-souled," 1 Thess. 5:14; iso-psuchos, "like-souled," Phil. 2:20; sum-psuchos, "joint-souled" (with one accord"), Phil. 2:2.
"The language of Heb. 4:12 suggests the extreme difficulty of distinguishing between the soul and the spirit, alike in their nature and in their activities. Generally speaking the spirit is the higher, the soul the lower element. The spirit may be recognized as the life principle bestowed on man by God, the soul as the resulting life constituted in the individual, the body being the material organism animated by soul and spirit. ...
"Body and soul are the constituents of the man according to Matt. 6:25; 10:28; Luke 12:20; Acts 20:10; body and spirit according to Luke 8:55; 1 Cor. 5:3; 7:34; Jas. 2:26. In Matt. 26:38 the emotions are associated with the soul, in John 13:21 with the spirit; cp. also Ps. 42:11 with 1 Kings 21:5. In Ps. 35:9 the soul rejoices in God, in Luke 1:47 the spirit.
"Apparently, then, the relationships may be thus summed up 'Soma, body, and pneuma, spirit, may be separated, pneuma and psuche, soul, can only be distinguished' (Cremer)."* [* From notes on Thessalonians, by Hogg and Vine, pp. 205-207.]

 

[Soul Searcher]

EG.

Have you failed to understand that I have not been saying the two Greek words mean the same thing? I have been talking about the Herbrew word translated spirit and the Greek word translated soul, Your long copy and paste says nothing of the Hebrew.

I should point out though that your paste shows the primary meaning of Greek soul as the breath of life which is referred to as spirit in the Hebrew.

 

[HisWordIsMySword]

Death of the soul is to not be born again. And if a man dies physcially without accepting God's free gift of salvation, his soul is still sold unto sin and will be cast into the fires of hell.

Many believe in the doctrine that when a man dies in the flesh, his soul ceases to exist. It is like going to sleep. This doctrine has removed the fear of death for many. There is no longer the fear of going to hell and being punished.

This is not scriptural. This doctrine is not something God wants us to believe. If death is just like sleeping and there is no fear of death, how many will be lost because they do not fear death. And if they do not fear death, they will not fear he who has the power to take life and to cast the soul into hell.


For to be born again is to have the quickening spirit, Christ Jesus in us. And when a man dies, though he is dead, yet does he live. To be born again, is to never die.

 

[Tavita]

Many believe in the doctrine that when a man dies in the flesh, his soul ceases to exist. It is like going to sleep. This doctrine has removed the fear of death for many. There is no longer the fear of going to hell and being punished.

This is not scriptural. This doctrine is not something God wants us to believe. If death is just like sleeping and there is no fear of death, how many will be lost because they do not fear death. And if they do not fear death, they will not fear he who has the power to take life and to cast the soul into hell.

I thought it was the Law, being our Tutor, that is to bring us to Christ. In that it shows us how we have missed the mark and sinned against God. It should lead us to repentance and to a humble heart that wants to give itself to God in response to His love for us. Fear should never be the motivation for committing ourselves to God and becoming His bondservant. A bondservant serves out of love for His Master, not fear.


Gal 3:22 But the Scripture has shut up everyone under sin, so that the promise by faith in Jesus Christ might be given to those who believe.
Gal 3:23 But before faith came, we were kept in custody under the law, being shut up to the faith which was later to be revealed.
Gal 3:24 Therefore the Law has become our tutor to lead us to Christ, so that we may be justified by faith.
Gal 3:25 But now that faith has come, we are no longer under a tutor.
Gal 3:26 For you are all sons of God through faith in Christ Jesus.


Rom 2:4 Or do you think lightly of the riches of His kindness and tolerance and patience, not knowing that the kindness of God leads you to repentance?

PS... I don't know an unbeliever alive who does not fear death.

 

[elman]

Death of the soul is to not be born again. And if a man dies physcially without accepting God's free gift of salvation, his soul is still sold unto sin and will be cast into the fires of hell.

Many believe in the doctrine that when a man dies in the flesh, his soul ceases to exist. It is like going to sleep. This doctrine has removed the fear of death for many. There is no longer the fear of going to hell and being punished.

This is not scriptural. This doctrine is not something God wants us to believe. If death is just like sleeping and there is no fear of death, how many will be lost because they do not fear death. And if they do not fear death, they will not fear he who has the power to take life and to cast the soul into hell.


For to be born again is to have the quickening spirit, Christ Jesus in us. And when a man dies, though he is dead, yet does he live. To be born again, is to never die.

But the righteous live and not the wicked. Ezekiel 18. It is scriptural that the wicked die and cease to exist. It is love not fear that conquers all.

 

[elman]

I don't think you will ever get Evergreen or elman to acknowledge that soul just means living creature because then they would loose Ezeikel 18 and they can't let that happen now can they.

their entire interpretation of the bible rests on that one passage, it's they only verse they ever quote!

Eccl 9:5-6

5 For the living know that they will die,
but the dead know nothing;
they have no further reward,
and even the memory of them is forgotten.
6 Their love, their hate
and their jealousy have long since vanished;
never again will they have a part
in anything that happens under the sun.
(from New International Version)


Gen 3:19
19 By the sweat of your brow
you will eat your food
until you return to the ground,
since from it you were taken;
for dust you are
and to dust you will return."
(from New International Version)


Ps 103:14-18
4 for he knows how we are formed,
he remembers that we are dust.
15 As for man, his days are like grass,
he flourishes like a flower of the field;
16 the wind blows over it and it is gone,
and its place remembers it no more.
17 But from everlasting to everlasting
the LORD's love is with those who fear him,
and his righteousness with their children's children--
18 with those who keep his covenant
and remember to obey his precepts.
(from New International Version)


Ps 104:29-30
when you take away their breath,
they die and return to the dust.
30 When you send your Spirit,
they are created,
(from New International Version)


Ps 104:35
5 But may sinners vanish from the earth
and the wicked be no more.
(from New International Version)


Eccl 12:7
7 and the dust returns to the ground it came from,
and the spirit returns to God who gave it.
(from New International Version)


Dan 12:1-2
2 Multitudes who sleep in the dust of the earth will awake: some to everlasting life, others to shame and everlasting contempt.
(from New International Version)


Ps 37:20

20 But the wicked will perish:
The LORD's enemies will be like the beauty of the fields,
they will vanish--vanish like smoke.
(from New International Version)


Ps 68:2-3
2 As smoke is blown away by the wind,
may you blow them away;
as wax melts before the fire,
may the wicked perish before God.
3 But may the righteous be glad
and rejoice before God;
may they be happy and joyful.
(from New International Version)


Hos 13:3
Therefore they will be like the morning mist,
like the early dew that disappears,
like chaff swirling from a threshing floor,
like smoke escaping through a window.
(from New International Version)


Zeph 1:18
on the day of the LORD's wrath.
In the fire of his jealousy
the whole world will be consumed,
for he will make a sudden end
of all who live in the earth."
(from New International Version)


Zech 1:4-6
4 Do not be like your forefathers, to whom the earlier prophets proclaimed: This is what the LORD Almighty says: 'Turn from your evil ways and your evil practices.' But they would not listen or pay attention to me, declares the LORD. 5 Where are your forefathers now? And the prophets, do they live forever? 6 But did not my words and my decrees, which I commanded my servants the prophets, overtake your forefathers?
(from New International Version)


Mal 4:1-2
4:1 "Surely the day is coming; it will burn like a furnace. All the arrogant and every evildoer will be stubble, and that day that is coming will set them on fire," says the LORD Almighty. "Not a root or a branch will be left to them. 2 But for you who revere my name, the sun of righteousness will rise with healing in its wings. And you will go out and leap like calves released from the stall.
(from New International Version)

 

[HisWordIsMySword]

I thought it was the Law, being our Tutor, that is to bring us to Christ. In that it shows us how we have missed the mark and sinned against God. It should lead us to repentance and to a humble heart that wants to give itself to God in response to His love for us. Fear should never be the motivation for committing ourselves to God and becoming His bondservant. A bondservant serves out of love for His Master, not fear.

Fear not he who can kill the body, but fear he who can kill the body and toss the soul into hell.

The fear of God is the beginning of wisdom and knowledge.



Yes, God is a God of love and the last thing he wants for us to do in to die in our sins and be cast into hell. If a man does not accept his free gift of salvation, his soul will be cast into the fires of hell.

Now, when a man believes that if he dies in his sin and if he does not repent his soul will be cast into hell, will that push the man further from God or bring the man to God?


Because God loves us, he is not going to sugarcoat the truth of what will happen to us if we do not repent of our sins. That would not be a very loving God to hide the fate of one who dies unrepenting.

Now the god of this world is the one who benefits by men believing there is not a hell. For if he can make men not fear death, it is much easier for him to deceive them.

For if a man believes that there is no hell, he will also believe that God will not cast his soul into hell. So he does not fear God.


Is the the fear of he who can cast a soul into hell that brings us to the truth of his love.

Does not a child fear the parent? When a child does not fear the parent, the child will be rebellious and it could cost him his life.

For if you tell a child to not touch a hot stove, and he does not listen, his clothing could catch fire and the child could be killed.

Yet, if the child knows that if he would touch the hot stove, but chooses not to because he will be punished, that fear of punishment could save his life.


So you can say that fear has nothing to do with the God of Creation. Yet, I fear and awe my God, for I know that he has the power of life and death. I know that he could destroy all of creation with a single word.

Yet, though my fear, I have come to know that it was the love a parent, my Father, that brought me to him.

To fear God is to love him.

 

[HisWordIsMySword]

Eccl. 9:5 For the living know that they shall die: but the dead know not any thing, neither have they any more a reward; for the memory of them is forgotten.
6 Also their love, and their hatred, and their envy, is now perished; neither have they any more a portion for ever in any thing that is done under the sun.



When it talks of the dead not knowing anything, it is referring to they know nothing of that of the living. It does not mean their soul ceases to exist and that it is not held prisoner in the place known as hell and death.


It talks about the memory of those who are dead is forgotten in the land of the living.

 

[elman]

Eccl. 9:5 For the living know that they shall die: but the dead know not any thing, neither have they any more a reward; for the memory of them is forgotten.
6 Also their love, and their hatred, and their envy, is now perished; neither have they any more a portion for ever in any thing that is done under the sun.



When it talks of the dead not knowing anything, it is referring to they know nothing of that of the living. It does not mean their soul ceases to exist and that it is not held prisoner in the place known as hell and death.


It talks about the memory of those who are dead is forgotten in the land of the living.

I doubt that is what it means. Death did not mean and still does not mean life in pain. It means no life as in no existence. Death means life has left the building. It is no longer here.

 

[HisWordIsMySword]

neither have they any more a reward; for the memory of them is forgotten.

You don't agrue with me, but with scripture. Look what it says. It says the memory of them will be forgotten. Now, who is it that will forget, the dead or the living?

The dead will not forget because they will be reminded always that they could have avoided this fate known as death in which their soul is consumed by the fires of hell.

Yet, when dead, what they have done while they walked the face of the earth still alive will perish and they will be forgotten.

 

[Theogonia]

Eccl. 9:5 For the living know that they shall die: but the dead know not any thing, neither have they any more a reward; for the memory of them is forgotten.
6 Also their love, and their hatred, and their envy, is now perished; neither have they any more a portion for ever in any thing that is done under the sun.



When it talks of the dead not knowing anything, it is referring to they know nothing of that of the living. It does not mean their soul ceases to exist and that it is not held prisoner in the place known as hell and death.


It talks about the memory of those who are dead is forgotten in the land of the living.

It says no such thing. Where are you getting your interpetation from?

 

[Theogonia]

Yes, God is a God of love and the last thing he wants for us to do in to die in our sins and be cast into hell. If a man does not accept his free gift of salvation, his soul will be cast into the fires of hell.

I thought that salvation wasn't one of works?

Having to accept salvation is doing something, it is a work.

If we can choose salvation, then we save ourselves.

 

[HisWordIsMySword]

I thought that salvation wasn't one of works?

Having to accept salvation is doing something, it is a work.

If we can choose salvation, then we save ourselves.

If you choose salvation, it comes by believing. It comes by faith.

You have a choice as did Adam and Eve in the Garden of Eden. You can be believe God and get saved or disregard the Word of God and die in your sins.

Adam and Eve chose to believe the devil over God and they brought death to all of mankind. They sold the souls of man by believing a lie.

So you can believe God or the devil. If you choose to say that salvation is a work, then realize that the work comes by way of the cleansing power of the blood of the lamb. It is nothing a man can do other then to believe with all of his heart. And then he is baptized into Christ through his blood.

 

[martymonster]

Eccl 9:5-6

5 For the living know that they will die,
but the dead know nothing;
they have no further reward,
and even the memory of them is forgotten.
6 Their love, their hate
and their jealousy have long since vanished;
never again will they have a part
in anything that happens under the sun.
(from New International Version)


Gen 3:19
19 By the sweat of your brow
you will eat your food
until you return to the ground,
since from it you were taken;
for dust you are
and to dust you will return."
(from New International Version)


Ps 103:14-18
4 for he knows how we are formed,
he remembers that we are dust.
15 As for man, his days are like grass,
he flourishes like a flower of the field;
16 the wind blows over it and it is gone,
and its place remembers it no more.
17 But from everlasting to everlasting
the LORD's love is with those who fear him,
and his righteousness with their children's children--
18 with those who keep his covenant
and remember to obey his precepts.
(from New International Version)


Ps 104:29-30
when you take away their breath,
they die and return to the dust.
30 When you send your Spirit,
they are created,
(from New International Version)


Ps 104:35
5 But may sinners vanish from the earth
and the wicked be no more.
(from New International Version)


Eccl 12:7
7 and the dust returns to the ground it came from,
and the spirit returns to God who gave it.
(from New International Version)


Dan 12:1-2
2 Multitudes who sleep in the dust of the earth will awake: some to everlasting life, others to shame and everlasting contempt.
(from New International Version)


Ps 37:20

20 But the wicked will perish:
The LORD's enemies will be like the beauty of the fields,
they will vanish--vanish like smoke.
(from New International Version)


Ps 68:2-3
2 As smoke is blown away by the wind,
may you blow them away;
as wax melts before the fire,
may the wicked perish before God.
3 But may the righteous be glad
and rejoice before God;
may they be happy and joyful.
(from New International Version)


Hos 13:3
Therefore they will be like the morning mist,
like the early dew that disappears,
like chaff swirling from a threshing floor,
like smoke escaping through a window.
(from New International Version)


Zeph 1:18
on the day of the LORD's wrath.
In the fire of his jealousy
the whole world will be consumed,
for he will make a sudden end
of all who live in the earth."
(from New International Version)


Zech 1:4-6
4 Do not be like your forefathers, to whom the earlier prophets proclaimed: This is what the LORD Almighty says: 'Turn from your evil ways and your evil practices.' But they would not listen or pay attention to me, declares the LORD. 5 Where are your forefathers now? And the prophets, do they live forever? 6 But did not my words and my decrees, which I commanded my servants the prophets, overtake your forefathers?
(from New International Version)


Mal 4:1-2
4:1 "Surely the day is coming; it will burn like a furnace. All the arrogant and every evildoer will be stubble, and that day that is coming will set them on fire," says the LORD Almighty. "Not a root or a branch will be left to them. 2 But for you who revere my name, the sun of righteousness will rise with healing in its wings. And you will go out and leap like calves released from the stall.
(from New International Version)

I totally agree elman!

the dead are just that, Dead!

that's why there are two resurrections, one for the good and one for the not so good.

It's all so simple you know.

 

[HisWordIsMySword]

I totally agree elman!

the dead are just that, Dead!

For centuries, men believed the Word of God and that hell existed. This doctrine of believing that when a man dies, it is like going to sleep, that when a man dies, he ceases to exist is the false teaching of the Jehovah witnesses.

For centuries men never doubted the Word of God. Yet, today, few accept it in it's entirety. The majority of the reason is the many corrupted bible translations that has inflexed the world with doctrines of that are contrary to the Word of God.

Who does it benefit to fill the world with a multitude of bible translations, each diverse for the other and each birthing a multitude of interpretations which eventually become doctrines that serve but one purpose, to steal the souls of men.

It is the devil who has created this sence of chaos, this world of deceit. It is his desire to steal, kill and destroy the souls of men.

And when he led men to believe it was impossible for there to be a true translation of God's Word, which in itself is contrary to the Word of God which says nothing is impossible for God, he opened the door to the belief that God can be found in many different translations. That God's truth was more then one book, but all books.

This is called idoltry. Creating God in the image you desire him to be. By picking and choosing bits and pieces from the multitude of translations is creating your own god.


Men will refuse to believe the truth to their dying breathe. Only then will these men know the Word of God is truth and eternal. Yet, then it will be to late for those who denied his Word and refused so great a salvation.

 

[martymonster]

For centuries, men believed the Word of God and that hell existed. This doctrine of believing that when a man dies, it is like going to sleep, that when a man dies, he ceases to exist is the false teaching of the Jehovah witnesses.

For centuries men never doubted the Word of God. Yet, today, few accept it in it's entirety. The majority of the reason is the many corrupted bible translations that has inflexed the world with doctrines of that are contrary to the Word of God.

Who does it benefit to fill the world with a multitude of bible translations, each diverse for the other and each birthing a multitude of interpretations which eventually become doctrines that serve but one purpose, to steal the souls of men.

It is the devil who has created this sence of chaos, this world of deceit. It is his desire to steal, kill and destroy the souls of men.

And when he led men to believe it was impossible for there to be a true translation of God's Word, which in itself is contrary to the Word of God which says nothing is impossible for God, he opened the door to the belief that God can be found in many different translations. That God's truth was more then one book, but all books.

This is called idoltry. Creating God in the image you desire him to be. By picking and choosing bits and pieces from the multitude of translations is creating your own god.


Men will refuse to believe the truth to their dying breathe. Only then will these men know the Word of God is truth and eternal. Yet, then it will be to late for those who denied his Word and refused so great a salvation.

well aren't we the religieous one!

 

[martymonster]

BTW, you'll notice that it's called the resurrection of the dead, not the resurrection of the living.

what kind of feeble human reasoning is it that says otherwise?

 

[HisWordIsMySword]

well aren't we the religieous one!

I would say that I am one who believes in the Lord Jesus Christ, and that through him, I am saved from my sins by faith and through him, I can speak to my Father who created me.

I would say I am one who is forever grateful for God saving such a sinner as myself.

I would say I am one who will magnify and praise his Holy Name. For he alone is worthy of all praise.

I would say that his desire is mine and that is that he does not want one of his children to perish, but that all be saved.



I am no better then anyone else. For all men sin and fall short of the glory of God. All men must come to the realization that they cannot live a life without sin and because of that, they will face death and hell if they do not accept God's free gift of salvation.

There are two kinds of men in this world. The saved and the unsaved. The saved have chosen to believe God and have accepted his free gift of salvation.

The unsaved resist salvation. For to be converted is to give up a life of sin. Yet, not on our own, but by he who lives in us.

For greater is he who is in me then he who is in the world.

 

[HisWordIsMySword]

BTW, you'll notice that it's called the resurrection of the dead, not the resurrection of the living.

When it speaks of the resurrection of the dead, it is referring to those who have already died that are in Christ. It is speaking of those who's flesh are asleep in the grave, but their souls are with Christ awaiting the day of resurrection.

 

[elman]

For centuries, men believed the Word of God and that hell existed. This doctrine of believing that when a man dies, it is like going to sleep, that when a man dies, he ceases to exist is the false teaching of the Jehovah witnesses.

For centuries men never doubted the Word of God. Yet, today, few accept it in it's entirety. The majority of the reason is the many corrupted bible translations that has inflexed the world with doctrines of that are contrary to the Word of God.

Who does it benefit to fill the world with a multitude of bible translations, each diverse for the other and each birthing a multitude of interpretations which eventually become doctrines that serve but one purpose, to steal the souls of men.

It is the devil who has created this sence of chaos, this world of deceit. It is his desire to steal, kill and destroy the souls of men.

And when he led men to believe it was impossible for there to be a true translation of God's Word, which in itself is contrary to the Word of God which says nothing is impossible for God, he opened the door to the belief that God can be found in many different translations. That God's truth was more then one book, but all books.

This is called idoltry. Creating God in the image you desire him to be. By picking and choosing bits and pieces from the multitude of translations is creating your own god.


Men will refuse to believe the truth to their dying breathe. Only then will these men know the Word of God is truth and eternal. Yet, then it will be to late for those who denied his Word and refused so great a salvation.

Actually for centuries, men have believed that a place of torture after you die does not exist. It is a very old theology that we do not suffer in pain after we die. The theology of pain after physical death was not a theology taught by the Old Testament or the Jews. For centuries men have believed the word of God was Jesus the son of God, not a book. Over multiple centuries Christians did not have access to a book but still believed in the teachings of Jesus as they were taught to them by other Christians. There has never been any century in which all Christians were in total agreement on one particular book as being the inerrant word of God and dictated to man by God and kept perfetct by God through each translation and copy process. Even Christians who believe there is an inerrant perfect book that was dictated by God and kept perfect by Him without any mistakes of any kind in it, do not have a copy of such a book nor do they know of anyone who does have a copy of such a book.