Discussion Hebrew Roots; error or something else?

[Messy]

Corinth sold the unclean idol meat, strangled meat, that had blood in it. Paul said eat it.

1 Cor 10:25 Eat whatever is sold in the meat market without raising any question on the ground of conscience.

Are you sure? That sounds disgusting.
Makes me think of that time someone ordered chicken wings in a restaurant and it had blood, so he called the waiter who said: eewww this is disgusting.
The life of the flesh is in the blood.
Drinking His blood is becoming one with Him.
Things strangled, a pastor I had who once was a butcher said you should never buy meat in the supermarket that they discount very much because then it is from a cow that just died itself. I know one guy who just ate an animal he saw on the street, dead. We're not vultures.
Not eating blood is from before the law of Moses.
I even remove it from baked fish and eggs but maybe I go too far.

 

[JLB777]

I have participated in several Messianic congregations, and all of them have confessed that Jesus/Yeshua is Lord.

How many of those congregations confess Jesus as YHWH?

 

[jiminpa]

How could they be Messianic if they don't profess Jesus? Are they claiming some other messiah?

 

[MoreCoffee]

How could they be Messianic if they don't profess Jesus? Are they claiming some other messiah?

Some appear to think Jesus is Messiah but not God.

 

[SpiritPsalmist]

How many of those congregations confess Jesus as YHWH?

ALL of the one's I've been to. I know there are some who do not but I've never been to them. There are also some baptists who picket the funerals of soldiers and cause comotion and there are Pentecostals that have boxes of snakes and during the services they bring the poisonous snakes out and pass them around for everyone to handle. I also know that not all Pentecostals and Baptists are to be labeled accordingly to those first mentioned.

 

[Wild Branches]

I found out my dad had a book from a forefather who was a Jew and wrote why he got convinced that Jesus is the Messiah. Very interesting, when I have a question about the Trinity or a meaning of a word or other things I look what Michael Brown or someone else who is Jewish has to say.
There's a lot missing/ wrong if you only read the New Testament and hear the explanation that the church is the dry bones from Ezekiel that will be revived.
I think Hebrew roots is going back to your roots. He will turn the hearts of the children to the fathers and from the fathers to the children.

If the church is the dry bones, we need to find out when it was ever cut off. The church is not the dry bones, Israel is.

 

[Wild Branches]

I have serious misgivings about the Hebrew Roots teaching. It does not seem to be from scripture or from holy tradition and it is not taught by the Catholic Church. In fact the idea that being of Jewish descent entitles one to salvation appears to be based almost entirely on poor exegesis of Romans chapter eleven and especially verses 1a, 2a, 25, 26a.

Who is saying that being Jewish entitles one to salvation? On the contrary! There is only one way to The Father and that is through The Son

 

[Wild Branches]

Some appear to think Jesus is Messiah but not God.

Yeshua is 100% man and 100% God. He is also 100% Messiah. How do you like God's math?

 

[Messy]

There's one guy on a christian forum, an ex christian who converted to Judaism and not even a Jew. He comes now and then with his 1+1+1=3 and after I listened to Dr. Brown and read that book he can't answer my questions.

 

[Wild Branches]

Can God do a new thing?

This is the argument many Christians have against the Messianic Movement. However it is based completely on misunderstanding. Messianics DO NOT believe the law of Moses ever saved anyone! Do we need a crash refresher course on The Gospel? Genesis chapters 1-3 tell the story of the fall of humanity (Ha Adam). Therefore, just as sin entered the world through one man, and death through sin, in this way death spread to all men, because all sinned. ~~Romans 5:12 Through the sin of one man we are all born under the law of sin and death. For all have sinned and fall short of the glory of God. ~~Romans 3:23. So I discover this principle: When I want to do what is good, evil is with me. For in my inner self I joyfully agree with God’s Law. But I see a different law in the parts of my body, waging war against the law of my mind and taking me prisoner to the law of sin in the parts of my body. What a wretched man I am! Who will rescue me from this dying body? I thank God through Jesus Christ our Lord! So then, with my mind I myself am a slave to the law of God, but with my flesh, to the law of sin. ~~Romans 7:21-25 Yeshua came to deliver us from this law; the law of sin and death, not His own law! "Think not that I came to destroy The Law or the Prophets; I came not to destroy, but to fulfill. For verily I say unto you, till heaven and earth pass away, one jot or one tittle shall in no wise pass away from The Law, till all things be accomplished" ~~Matthew 5:17-18. "If you love me, keep my commandments." ~~John 14:15.
When the Pharisees heard that He had silenced the Sadducees, they came together. And one of them, an expert in The Law, asked a question to test Him: “Teacher, which command in the law is the greatest?”

He said to him, “Love the Lord your God with all your heart, with all your soul, and with all your mind. This is the greatest and most important command. The second is like it: Love your neighbor as yourself. All The Law and the Prophets depend on these two commands.” ~~Matthew 22:34-40. So love is the fulfillment of God's commandments. If you keep the 2 love commandments are you not following God's Law? Do you do it because you think it saves you? Heaven forbid! We do it because we love the LORD!

 

[Messy]

Yeshua came to deliver us from this law; the law of sin and death, not His own law!

What is the law of sin and death? That you just have to sin and then die or something?

 

[Steeno7]

This is the argument many Christians have against the Messianic Movement. However it is based completely on misunderstanding. Messianics DO NOT believe the law of Moses ever saved anyone! Do we need a crash refresher course on The Gospel? Genesis chapters 1-3 tell the story of the fall of humanity (Ha Adam). Therefore, just as sin entered the world through one man, and death through sin, in this way death spread to all men, because all sinned. ~~Romans 5:12 Through the sin of one man we are all born under the law of sin and death. For all have sinned and fall short of the glory of God. ~~Romans 3:23. So I discover this principle: When I want to do what is good, evil is with me. For in my inner self I joyfully agree with God’s Law. But I see a different law in the parts of my body, waging war against the law of my mind and taking me prisoner to the law of sin in the parts of my body. What a wretched man I am! Who will rescue me from this dying body? I thank God through Jesus Christ our Lord! So then, with my mind I myself am a slave to the law of God, but with my flesh, to the law of sin. ~~Romans 7:21-25 Yeshua came to deliver us from this law; the law of sin and death, not His own law! "Think not that I came to destroy The Law or the Prophets; I came not to destroy, but to fulfill. For verily I say unto you, till heaven and earth pass away, one jot or one tittle shall in no wise pass away from The Law, till all things be accomplished" ~~Matthew 5:17-18. "If you love me, keep my commandments." ~~John 14:15.
When the Pharisees heard that He had silenced the Sadducees, they came together. And one of them, an expert in The Law, asked a question to test Him: “Teacher, which command in the law is the greatest?”

He said to him, “Love the Lord your God with all your heart, with all your soul, and with all your mind. This is the greatest and most important command. The second is like it: Love your neighbor as yourself. All The Law and the Prophets depend on these two commands.” ~~Matthew 22:34-40. So love is the fulfillment of God's commandments. If you keep the 2 love commandments are you not following God's Law? Do you do it because you think it saves you? Heaven forbid! We do it because we love the LORD!

My response had nothing to do with the law of Moses saving anyone.

 

[Wild Branches]

What is the law of sin and death? That you just have to sin and then die or something?

Genesis 1-3

 

[SpiritPsalmist]

What is the law of sin and death? That you just have to sin and then die or something?

"The Law of Sin and Death" is the habitual tendency to sin which works in the members before the sinner is converted and joined to Christ. It is the carnal or fleshly nature from which man is freed and to which he dies when connected to Christ. It is the law of sin. "Sin is the transgression of the law." r John 3:4. Sin (transgression) is what men who come to Christ die to. This is what Paul means when he says, "If her husband be dead, she is freed from that law; so that she is no adulteress, though she be married to another man." Rom. 7:3. Whom does Paul mean by the words, "the husband be dead"? What is "dead"? To what is the woman dead? Paul answers, "How shall we, that are dead to sin, live any longer therein?" He calls this first husband "our old man." Rom. 6:6. He says, "Our old man is crucified with him, that the body of sin might be destroyed, that henceforth we should not serve sin." He says again, "He that is dead is freed from sin." Rom. 6:7. When this "old man" is dead, the woman is free. Rom. 7:3. Free from what? Paul answers as above, "Free from sin." In Romans 6, note the words "dead to sin" (Verse 2) and "free from sin." Verse 22. In Romans 8:2, we read, "For the law of the Spirit of life in Christ Jesus hath made me free from the law of sin and death."

 

[Messy]

"The Law of Sin and Death" is the habitual tendency to sin which works in the members before the sinner is converted and joined to Christ. It is the carnal or fleshly nature from which man is freed and to which he dies when connected to Christ. It is the law of sin. "Sin is the transgression of the law." r John 3:4. Sin (transgression) is what men who come to Christ die to. This is what Paul means when he says, "If her husband be dead, she is freed from that law; so that she is no adulteress, though she be married to another man." Rom. 7:3. Whom does Paul mean by the words, "the husband be dead"? What is "dead"? To what is the woman dead? Paul answers, "How shall we, that are dead to sin, live any longer therein?" He calls this first husband "our old man." Rom. 6:6. He says, "Our old man is crucified with him, that the body of sin might be destroyed, that henceforth we should not serve sin." He says again, "He that is dead is freed from sin." Rom. 6:7. When this "old man" is dead, the woman is free. Rom. 7:3. Free from what? Paul answers as above, "Free from sin." In Romans 6, note the words "dead to sin" (Verse 2) and "free from sin." Verse 22. In Romans 8:2, we read, "For the law of the Spirit of life in Christ Jesus hath made me free from the law of sin and death."

Ah thanks very much, that makes sense. I thought the old husband was the devil.

 

[MoreCoffee]

Who is saying that being Jewish entitles one to salvation? On the contrary! There is only one way to The Father and that is through The Son

It wouldn't be good for me to give a list of nicknames so I will not yet there are people who have made that claim based on Romans chapter eleven.

 

[MoreCoffee]

What is the law of sin and death? That you just have to sin and then die or something?

Since the law brings about the knowledge of sin (Rom 3:20) and since the law is called the ministry of death (2Cor 3:7) and the sting of sin (1Cor 15:56) it may well be that the law of sin and death (Rom 8:2-4) is in some way identified with the law of the old covenant (Heb 8:13) given at mount Sinai (Gal 4:21-26).

 

[Wild Branches]

I've always liked what God teaches. The Lord Jesus Christ is the Lord's anointed and he is fully God and fully man. Every Christian believes these things.

The angel Gabriel told Mary that her son would be called Yeshua. They were Hebrews, they spoke Hebrew. Jesus is a translation from the latin Iesus, which was a translation of the Koine Greek Iesous, which was a translation of the Hebrew word Yeshua, which means The LORD is Salvation. Every Christian believes these things? Absolutely! Thank you for making my point. Messianics are followers of your very Jewish Messiah, Yeshua.

 

[MoreCoffee]

The angel Gabriel told Mary that her son would be called Yeshua [Jesus]. They were Hebrews, they spoke Hebrew [Aramaic]. Jesus is a translation from the latin Iesus [Koine Greek Ἰησοῦς], which was a translation of the Koine Greek Iesous, which was a translation of the Hebrew word Yeshua, which means The LORD is Salvation. Every Christian believes these things? Absolutely! Thank you for making my point. Messianics are followers of your very Jewish [Christian] Messiah, Yeshua.

I had to make some corrections. They are shown [in green text like this]. While it is true that the Lord Jesus Christ was made of a woman and made under the law and would be accounted Jewish by the Roman authorities it is also true that his own people rejected him (John 1:11) and called for his execution (Luke 23:21) and it is also true that the Lord Jesus Christ founded the Christian Church (Matthew 16:18) so it is right to call him the founder of Christianity and the head of the Christian church (Ephesians 5:21; Col 1:18) therefore it is not really correct to refer to the risen Lord as Jewish in any but the sense of natural descent from Abraham through Isaac and Jacob (Matthew 1:1).

 

[Wild Branches]

It wouldn't be good for me to give a list of nicknames so I will not yet there are people who have made that claim based on Romans chapter eleven.

I have no idea who is telling these people that somehow Jewish people are entitled to salvation based on their ethnicity, but they are not doing them any favors. Their blood will be on the hands of those who teach such false doctrines, because as we know, Yeshua said, "I Am The Way, The Truth and the life. No one comes to the Father except through Me." ~~John 14:6. That being said, we can take a lesson from Romans 11 where it says not to boast against the natural branches.