Discussion Hebrew Roots; error or something else?

[SpiritPsalmist]

You have your opinion. Just because I do not choose to answer your questions to your satisfaction, does not mean that I do not know. I am very comfortable in my own knowledge and my own faith and beliefs. You have a wonderful evening.

You did not answer the question at all, you evaded it at every turn. If you knew why would you deny others knowing what the answer is?

 

[MoreCoffee]

You did not answer the question at all, you evaded it at every turn. If you knew why would you deny others knowing what the answer is?

I gave an answer. It is from holy scripture. Is it not sufficient?

 

[SpiritPsalmist]

Even if somebody can't tell you why the new covenant is better it remains true that it is better as the holy scriptures testify.

Now of the things which we have spoken this is the sum: We have such an high priest, who is set on the right hand of the throne of the Majesty in the heavens; A minister of the sanctuary, and of the true tabernacle, which the Lord pitched, and not man. For every high priest is ordained to offer gifts and sacrifices: wherefore it is of necessity that this man have somewhat also to offer. For if he were on earth, he should not be a priest, seeing that there are priests that offer gifts according to the law: Who serve unto the example and shadow of heavenly things, as Moses was admonished of God when he was about to make the tabernacle: for, See, saith he, that thou make all things according to the pattern shewed to thee in the mount. But now hath he obtained a more excellent ministry, by how much also he is the mediator of a better covenant, which was established upon better promises. For if that first covenant had been faultless, then should no place have been sought for the second.
(Hebrews 8:1-7 KJV)

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So by faith you're believing it's better? Fair enough. The answers are in scripture though, I can't imagine why someone would not want to know what they are.

 

[SpiritPsalmist]

I gave an answer. It is from holy scripture. Is it not sufficient?

My apologies, you did give an answer. The comment you've quoted was not said to you. What you said was from scripture, but the majority of those listed where also given to the Old Testament folk.

 

[MoreCoffee]

So by faith you're believing it's better? Fair enough. The answers are in scripture though, I can't imagine why someone would not want to know what they are.

Oh yes, I do believe by faith, in fact faith is belief but it is belief in something specific; that is to say it is belief in the promises of God and acting in accord with them. But as for what is better about the new covenant the answer is easily found it is the entire new testament that tells you.

 

[SpiritPsalmist]

Oh yes, I do believe by faith, in fact faith is belief but it is belief in something specific; that is to say it is belief in the promises of God and acting in accord with them. But as for what is better about the new covenant the answer is easily found it is the entire new testament that tells you.

I agree

 

[MoreCoffee]

I agree

I am a little disturbed by that little evil laugh.

 

[SpiritPsalmist]

I am a little disturbed by that little evil laugh.

Yea, I wasn't sure what that was so I changed it to

 

[ToBeLoved]

You did not answer the question at all, you evaded it at every turn. If you knew why would you deny others knowing what the answer is?

I know that you heavily lean towards the Old Testament and the Old Covenant and feasts. That is enough for me to know that it would not be constructive for you and I to carry on a conversation. I'm just not interested in a conversation with someone so willing to hold on to a culture and tenants of faith that contradict with what Jesus did and is doing in the church today. I don't see the sense in it personally, but again you can put value on what you think is beneficial for your faith.

I think we are far apart in the scriptures that we value so a conversation is just not edifying.

I'm sure there is someone who will value what you have to say and would love to conversate with you about the Old Testament and you each will be blessed by it.

 

[MoreCoffee]

If you want some of the better promises I offer this to you. I wrote it earlier. It steps one through the change from performance to promise to gospel fulfilment.

A new and living way. Heb. 10:20

Cain went out from the presence of the LORD. Gen. 4:16 -- Your iniquities have separated between you and your God, and your sins have hid his face from you. Isa. 59:2 -- Without holiness, no man shall see the Lord. Heb. 12:14

I am the way, and the truth, and the life: no man cometh unto the Father, but by me. John 14:6 -- Our Saviour Jesus Christ ... hath abolished death, and hath brought life and immortality to light through the gospel. II Tim. 1:10

The way into the holiest of all was not yet made manifest, while as the first tabernacle was yet standing. Heb. 9:8 -- He is our peace, who hath made both one, and hath broken down the middle wall of partition between us. Eph. 2:14 -- The veil of the temple was rent in twain from the top to the bottom. Matt. 27:51

Strait is the gate, and narrow is the way, which leadeth unto life, and few there be that find it. Matt. 7:14 -- Thou wilt shew me the path of life: in thy presence is fulness of joy; at thy right hand there are pleasures for evermore. Psa. 16:11​

 

[MoreCoffee]

I know that you heavily lean towards the Old Testament and the Old Covenant and feasts. That is enough for me to know that it would not be constructive for you and I to carry on a conversation. I'm just not interested in a conversation with someone so willing to hold on to a culture and tenants of faith that contradict with what Jesus did and is doing in the church today. I don't see the sense in it personally, but again you can put value on what you think is beneficial for your faith. I think we are far apart in the scriptures that we value so a conversation is just not edifying.

I'm sure there is someone who will value what you have to say and would love to conversate with you about the Old Testament.

You are most welcome to read along if you prefer not to write too often.

By the way, I like the look of the cute little doggy in your avatar picture

 

[SpiritPsalmist]

I know that you heavily lean towards the Old Testament and the Old Covenant and feasts.

Not true

That is enough for me to know that it would not be constructive for you and I to carry on a conversation. I'm just not interested in a conversation with someone so willing to hold on to a culture and tenants of faith that contradict with what Jesus did and is doing in the church today. I don't see the sense in it personally, but again you can put value on what you think is beneficial for your faith. I think we are far apart in the scriptures that we value so a conversation is just not edifying.

I'm sure there is someone who will value what you have to say and would love to conversate with you about the Old Testament.

Whatever floats your boat. But if you look back I quoted more NT scriptures than I did old in order to prove my points....Paul did that too, only he quoted OT which I ended up quoting too by quoting him, so he and I are in good company.

 

[MoreCoffee]

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Whatever floats your boat. But if you look back I quoted more NT scriptures than I did old in order to prove my points....Paul did that too, so he and I are in good company.

"prove" is such a slippery word. I do not think that the posts advocating observance of dietary laws from the old covenant were successful in making their point. Noah was given, by God, all that moves for food and Christ taught that all foods are clean. The testimony of God and the words of the Lord Jesus Christ surely are true. No Christian is obligated to keep kosher.

 

[ToBeLoved]

You are most welcome to read along if you prefer not to write too often.

By the way, I like the look of the cute little doggy in your avatar picture

Not true



Whatever floats your boat. But if you look back I quoted more NT scriptures than I did old in order to prove my points....Paul did that too, so he and I are in good company.

lol.

 

[SpiritPsalmist]

If you want some of the better promises I offer this to you. I wrote it earlier. It steps one through the change from performance to promise to gospel fulfilment.

A new and living way. Heb. 10:20

Cain went out from the presence of the LORD. Gen. 4:16 -- Your iniquities have separated between you and your God, and your sins have hid his face from you. Isa. 59:2 -- Without holiness, no man shall see the Lord. Heb. 12:14​

I am the way, and the truth, and the life: no man cometh unto the Father, but by me. John 14:6 -- Our Saviour Jesus Christ ... hath abolished death, and hath brought life and immortality to light through the gospel. II Tim. 1:10

The way into the holiest of all was not yet made manifest, while as the first tabernacle was yet standing. Heb. 9:8 -- He is our peace, who hath made both one, and hath broken down the middle wall of partition between us. Eph. 2:14 -- The veil of the temple was rent in twain from the top to the bottom. Matt. 27:51

Strait is the gate, and narrow is the way, which leadeth unto life, and few there be that find it. Matt. 7:14 -- Thou wilt shew me the path of life: in thy presence is fulness of joy; at thy right hand there are pleasures for evermore. Psa. 16:11​

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Good scriptures.

Yes, we have confidence to enter by a new and living way: New High Priest who is lives eternally. All these fall under that catagory.

 

[SpiritPsalmist]

"prove" is such a slippery word. I do not think that the posts advocating observance of dietary laws from the old covenant were successful in making their point. Noah was given, by God, all that moves for food and Christ taught that all foods are clean. The testimony of God and the words of the Lord Jesus Christ surely are true. No Christian is obligated to keep kosher.

I did not make any posts advocating observance of dietary laws, I simply pointed out that if God said something was not food then it's not food, even though you may be able to put it in your mouth, chew it and swallow....just like my dog who eats cat poop but that's not dog food.

 

[MoreCoffee]

Good scriptures.

Yes, we have confidence to enter by a new and living way: New High Priest who is lives eternally. All these fall under that catagory.

The category that your post gives is far too narrow. The new covenant is more expansive than noticing that Christians have a glorious high priest, we have Christ in his entirety.

In one of my earlier posts I noted that Christ is a Christian. Somebody responded with a laugh. I am saddened by that response. The truth is that Christ is the one whose name Christians bear and Christ is the one who gives all things to the faithful (Romans 8:32).

 

[MoreCoffee]

I did not make any posts advocating observance of dietary laws, I simply pointed out that if God said something was not food then it's not food, even though you may be able to put it in your mouth, chew it and swallow....just like my dog who eats cat poop but that's not dog food.

Can you be specific about what God said is not food and when he said it and also to whom?

 

[SpiritPsalmist]

Can you be specific about what God said is not food and when he said it and also to whom?

I can, but it doesn't matter, it'll just be another argument. I was just clarifying that I did not advocate adherence to dietary laws.

 

[SpiritPsalmist]

The category that your post gives is far too narrow. The new covenant is more expansive than noticing that Christians have a glorious high priest, we have Christ in his entirety.

In one of my earlier posts I noted that Christ is a Christian. Somebody responded with a laugh. I am saddened by that response. The truth is that Christ is the one whose name Christians bear and Christ is the one who gives all things to the faithful (Romans 8:32).

Yes, Christ is the One whose name we bear, but I found it pretty odd to say that He's a Christian. That must be a Catholic doctrine. I've never heard it before this.