Heaven

Neochristian · Apr 8, 2016

98cwitr said:
The kingdom already came, is here, and within the elect. What you're thinking about is salvation. Two different things.

The Kingdom of God spans earth and heaven. His Kingdom is both heaven, and within Man. That's why when Christ says "my kingdom is not of this world" the "world" is the earth, and we know who rules over it, and we know when and why he was granted permission to do so.

What was the reason why, again, good sir? I've forgotten or I never read that part.

bhsmte · Apr 8, 2016

Neochristian said:
The same way we know anything else exists.

How is that, in this case in particular?

SkyWriting · Apr 8, 2016

Neochristian said:
Is your negativity too deep for me to help you?

Are you a prototype computer program?

SkyWriting · Apr 8, 2016

Neochristian said:
Is your negativity too deep for me to help you?

Are you a prototype computer program?

SkyWriting · Apr 8, 2016

Neochristian said:
Is your negativity too deep for me to help you?

Are you a prototype computer program?

SkyWriting · Apr 8, 2016

Neochristian said:
That doesn't answer the question. I'm detecting a pattern with you.

Are you a prototype computer program?

SkyWriting · Apr 8, 2016

Neochristian said:
I sense a deep negativity with you. What happened?

Are you a prototype computer program?

kmrichard7 · Apr 9, 2016

I think the "kingdom of heaven" and the physical place of heaven are different. The kingdom of Heaven I think is our spiritual inheritance, what we obtain by the Holy Spirit. Its our eternal resting place spiritually.
But after we die we are our spirits but we still will be eternal spiritual and physical beings residing in a specific place noted as heaven.

If we look at scripture the word heaven is used in different ways to describe different places. In the beginning of the Bible we are told He made the HeavenS and the Earth. More than one heaven. The sky and universe are considered heavens in the Bible, there will be a new heaven and a new earth.
Scripture gives us many examples of Heaven that shows its not just one place but multiple. And its my belief that the kingdom of God within men is the spiritual place we go when we have accepted Christ and are being led by the Holy Spirit. Something we will keep even after death.

It may not change your view but i hope it helps you understand.

ViaCrucis · Apr 9, 2016

Neochristian said:
If the kingdom of heaven is within man, then why do we think of it as being after death?

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1) That's not the statement that's made, in Luke 17:21 the statement is Ἰδού, γὰρ ἡ βασιλεία τοῦ θεοῦ ἐντὸς ὑμῶν ἐστιν, "see, for the reign of God within/amidst you is" that is, "See, for the reign of God is in your midst". This is not speaking of God's kingdom or reign as being some fuzzy spiritual interior reality to us as individuals, but a pronouncement that the reign of God is manifest in the midst of those who were opposing it, in the person of Jesus.

2) The idea that the kingdom of God is some ethereal, otherworldly afterlife is part of a modern misconception concerning what God's kingdom is. The kingdom of God, or more accurately the reign or royal authority of God, is not a place it is the reality of God as king which, as Jesus preached, was breaking into our world; the inbreaking of God's kingdom through Jesus' person and ministry, its inauguration found in His death and resurrection. The kingdom isn't a place that we can point to, nor is it some fuzzy interior spiritual reality, it's the reality of God graciously and lovingly breaking into and invading our world through Christ, to rescue and redeem not just us, but the whole of creation.

-CryptoLutheran

Neochristian · Apr 9, 2016

I apologize to anyone reading this. Don't let them lead you astray by their silver tongues, and remember that they wouldn't be doing this if they weren't injured and foolish because of their injuries. If I knew how, I'd delete this thread.

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bhsmte · Apr 9, 2016

Neochristian said:
I apologize to anyone reading this. Don't let them lead you astray by their silver tongues, and remember that they wouldn't be doing this if they weren't injured and foolish because of their injuries. If I knew how, I'd delete this thread.

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You don't like it when people disagree with you, so you want their comments censored?

Noxot · Apr 10, 2016

for all I know the entire earth was nuked 2 days ago and we are in heaven

Neochristian · Apr 10, 2016

Feels like Heaven to me.

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Noxot · Apr 10, 2016

what if i'm trapped in myself and I just think everyone is someone else, they feel like different parts of myself.

Neochristian · Apr 10, 2016

I'm not sure what to say to that.

Are you saying you love your neighbor as yourself?

Noxot · Apr 10, 2016

lol spiritual experience is fun. God likes to keep me guessing. seriously though, Jesus was way more carefree than I am

Noxot · Apr 10, 2016

just different parts of the brain doing funny things, i love it. but also all the other souls certainly have the same origin. it is good to experience things.

Neochristian · Apr 10, 2016

Yes, spiritual experience is the best. Ever read William James' Varieties of Religious Experience in Human Nature? I recommend it.

Noxot · Apr 10, 2016

never heard of it. sadly I got like 10 books I need to read. i'm so lazy nowadays, is there a YouTube video of that book? lol

Neochristian · Apr 10, 2016

If it is, it's a year long. I dunno tho, it could sum it up. I'll check. I recommend that book A LOT.

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