Healing methods?

[Emli]

I've prayed these prayers as well....I've gotten yes and no's, argued about the no's, didnt understand why basic prayers werent answered etc. Then I was led to ask "Teach me how to Pray" Once I understood, I received everything I asked for.....And understood how I always did in the past as well. What I thought was a no, was in fact a Yes to exactly what I asked for using the method I used.

I've tested....Asked for random things...and got them.....Some came in unexpected and undesired ways....but they always came quickly. My trying taught me to ask mainly for what I needed and that I have everything already.....like the brother of the Prodigal. So now I can move on to more spiritual things, now that I understood the natural.

I've found the Father to be more of a Patient Father...not one to argue with. If i ask Him for my inheritance to waste, He gives it without question and waits patiently for me to come to my senses. When I do, He receives me again.

Maybe my words should be laughed at, Maybe I serve the Devil and you serve God. But maybe not. Good thing is, My words can be tested. I dont know how you would test a situation that has "nos" "waits" "if His wills" and exceptions. But I believe I'll run on and see what the end will be...

Before I got saved and I was doing witchcraft, I got my "prayers" answered, and honestly most pagans do, because there are ways to achieve your will by entering into evil agreements. People who are involved in false religion, New Age or the occult, try until they find a way to get their will, and it happens unless God stops it. And there are Christians who have had their prayers answered by evil spirits because they weren't praying according to God's will. Just look at all the Catholics who pray to Mary or to the saints, and receive what they ask for from them. That isn't God moving at all, because He doesn't get the Glory. If you perceive that God ever gives you anything that is not according to His will, it isn't God who is giving it to you. He can allow some things to happen to teach you from your mistakes, but He cannot Himself go against His own nature.

You have to look at where what you perceive to be God is leading you. Is the god you worship leading you towards becoming like Jesus, towards living for the Gospel, towards learning how to submit to Him and not to yourself or to other "gods" (whether actual false gods/idols or "gods" such as money etc). Is it giving you pride or making you humble? Is it leading you towards living a life of holiness and purity or is it allowing sin in your life? Is it opening your eyes to see God's truth from Scripture or is it leading you to go your own way and seeking wisdom from other sources? Is it making you loving, patient and kind towards others, but still correcting them for their sins, or is it simply telling you to live and let live?

Test the spirits not by the signs and wonders you may be seeing, but by how it is changing you, where it is leading you.

 

[JCFantasy23]

God has already given us everything we need for healing, We pray for people and if they are not healed, Then someone is lacking faith. God heals every time and we should never ask for God's will, Because He has already answered, and His will is always yes.

I always feel sad when I see people say things such as this. God did not mean for us all to live forever, to Him death is not always a horrible thing for us to fear. We are supposed to accept death more than we do, especially as Christians. Sometimes God does heal and intervene, but not always, and we have no right to demand this. We may pray and ask and talk to God about it, but it is NOT always in His will that we be healed - otherwise, all Christians with cancers, disorders and diseases would be walking around healthy. That is not the case.

Also, I find it to be dangerous to state that God's will is ALWAYS yes and state you know so authoritatively what God Himself is going to agree to for other people. I know you personally didn't state this, but the speaker needs to take care to assume he tells people about God's interventions in their lives. And he said we should never ask for God's will? The preaching style just got more dangerous with that statement. We should come to God in everything with our requests.

 

[RaymondG]

Before I got saved and I was doing witchcraft, I got my "prayers" answered, and honestly most pagans do, because there are ways to achieve your will by entering into evil agreements. People who are involved in false religion, New Age or the occult, try until they find a way to get their will, and it happens unless God stops it. And there are Christians who have had their prayers answered by evil spirits because they weren't praying according to God's will. Just look at all the Catholics who pray to Mary or to the saints, and receive what they ask for from them. That isn't God moving at all, because He doesn't get the Glory. If you perceive that God ever gives you anything that is not according to His will, it isn't God who is giving it to you. He can allow some things to happen to teach you from your mistakes, but He cannot Himself go against His own nature.

You have to look at where what you perceive to be God is leading you. Is the god you worship leading you towards becoming like Jesus, towards living for the Gospel, towards learning how to submit to Him and not to yourself or to other "gods" (whether actual false gods/idols or "gods" such as money etc). Is it giving you pride or making you humble? Is it leading you towards living a life of holiness and purity or is it allowing sin in your life? Is it opening your eyes to see God's truth from Scripture or is it leading you to go your own way and seeking wisdom from other sources? Is it making you loving, patient and kind towards others, but still correcting them for their sins, or is it simply telling you to live and let live?

Test the spirits not by the signs and wonders you may be seeing, but by how it is changing you, where it is leading you.

I know nothing about witchcraft or cult movements etc.... I only know the Bible. You seem to be one who believe that all the positive verses in the bible are in support of you, and the negative for others. e.g. There is a way that seems right unto man yet the end thereof is death. You would say that it is my way that leads to death and yours life. "For the Lord knoweth the way of the righteous: but the way of the ungodly shall perish" You would believe yourself the righteous, and anyone against you the ungodly.

And I understand, for I too was the same. Had all the answers and anyone who i deemed not as experienced a me or not saved as long....I dismissed...and the cared not what they thought or their opinion.....Just like the Pharisee, knowing they spent their whole life studying the words, cared not for the words of a carpenter.

I was humbled....It would be a mistake to think that because you know a lot about the devils work and evil spirits, that you have made it and need to know no more about God's work than you already know.....

 

[Emli]

I know nothing about witchcraft or cult movements etc.... I only know the Bible. You seem to be one who believe that all the positive verses in the bible are in support of you, and the negative for others. e.g. There is a way that seems right unto man yet the end thereof is death. You would say that it is my way that leads to death and yours life. "For the Lord knoweth the way of the righteous: but the way of the ungodly shall perish" You would believe yourself the righteous, and anyone against you the ungodly.

And I understand, for I too was the same. Had all the answers and anyone who i deemed not as experienced a me or not saved as long....I dismissed...and the cared not what they thought or their opinion.....Just like the Pharisee, knowing they spent their whole life studying the words, cared not for the words of a carpenter.

I was humbled....It would be a mistake to think that because you know a lot about the devils work and evil spirits, that you have made it and need to know no more about God's work than you already know.....

I wasn't accusing you in any way, only giving you some advice. There is no need to attack me for it, or make any accusations or assumptions about me or my walk with God. Look at my fruit and look at your own fruit, that is all you need to do.

 

[Southernscotty]

I know nothing about witchcraft or cult movements etc.... I only know the Bible. You seem to be one who believe that all the positive verses in the bible are in support of you, and the negative for others. e.g. There is a way that seems right unto man yet the end thereof is death. You would say that it is my way that leads to death and yours life. "For the Lord knoweth the way of the righteous: but the way of the ungodly shall perish" You would believe yourself the righteous, and anyone against you the ungodly.

And I understand, for I too was the same. Had all the answers and anyone who i deemed not as experienced a me or not saved as long....I dismissed...and the cared not what they thought or their opinion.....Just like the Pharisee, knowing they spent their whole life studying the words, cared not for the words of a carpenter.

I was humbled....It would be a mistake to think that because you know a lot about the devils work and evil spirits, that you have made it and need to know no more about God's work than you already know.....

I am glad that you realized your mistakes and were humbled Raymond, Many churches around here have cliques and I cannot stand that attitude in people.
That is how satan enters into churches and destroys people through hurt feelings because certain people think that they are superior somehow.
We all need to realize that our place should be on our knees bowing before God, from the pastor to the janitor and beyond.

 

[RaymondG]

I wasn't accusing you in any way, only giving you some advice. There is no need to attack me for it, or make any accusations or assumptions about me or my walk with God. Look at my fruit and look at your own fruit, that is all you need to do.

You are too emotional. You believed first that I could feel that you attacked me....I told you that you dont have to worry about me feeling that way and now you are saying the opposite.

Why do you feel attacked? I spoke about how I understand and I was the same way.. Is this so to not, address the topic? Instead of agreeing you just say you are attacked?

I dont have time, nor wish to judge your fruit. I told you already that I saw nothing wrong with what you believe and encourage you to continue....You proceeded to send a reply which you thought would make me feel attacked....when i thought the conversation was over.

I hope this is enough to end it know.

I genuinely find no fault in anything that you have said or believe, nor did i find anything you have said offensive. You are only saying what you believe is right.

 

[GTW27]

I am glad that you realized your mistakes and were humbled Raymond, Many churches around here have cliques and I cannot stand that attitude in people.
That is how satan enters into churches and destroys people through hurt feelings because certain people think that they are superior somehow.
We all need to realize that our place should be on our knees bowing before God, from the pastor to the janitor and beyond.

And when you are on your knees, and Emly is on her knees, and Raymond G is on his knees, who else is on His knees at the very same time. Does not The Spirit interceede on our behalf. When Paul was on his knees, and when Peter was on his knees, and when John was on his knees, was it not the same. Believe, and the mountains will move. "If you abide in Me, and my words abide in you, ask whatever you will, and it shall be done for you."

 

[RaymondG]

And when you are on your knees, and Emly is on her knees, and Raymond G is on his knees, who else is on His knees at the very same time. Does not The Spirit interceede on our behalf. When Paul was on his knees, and when Peter was on his knees, and when John was on his knees, was it not the same. Believe, and the mountains will move. "If you abide in Me, and my words abide in you, ask whatever you will, and it shall be done for you."

Careful now. Some of us believe that we can ask what we will, only if it is in the will of God. And sometimes if we ask to move the mountain, God can say "no" and "wait."

I cant even feel happy when the "prayer" button is pressed for my posts anymore......the answers to their prayers could be "No"

 

[Emli]

Careful now. Some of us believe that we can ask what we will, only if it is in the will of God. And sometimes if we ask to move the mountain, God can say "no" and "wait."

I cant even feel happy when the "prayer" button is pressed for my posts anymore......the answers to their prayers could be "No"

What if my prayers were that God will send you to Hell? Would you like the answer to be yes?

Don't worry, my prayers weren't that, and the answer to them will be yes because they are according to God's will, prayed in the Spirit by His leading, but only if you accept it from the Holy Spirit.

 

[Emli]

And when you are on your knees, and Emly is on her knees, and Raymond G is on his knees, who else is on His knees at the very same time. Does not The Spirit interceede on our behalf. When Paul was on his knees, and when Peter was on his knees, and when John was on his knees, was it not the same. Believe, and the mountains will move. "If you abide in Me, and my words abide in you, ask whatever you will, and it shall be done for you."

GTW27, this response isn't directed towards you, but simply an extension of what you have written.

We have to read the entire chapter of John 15 to understand what that verse truly means, and what it truly means to be in Christ. It's about fruit of the Holy Spirit, and loving each other, being disciples of Christ, staying faithful to His teachings and living for the Glory of God. This is something that a lot of people tend to forget.

 

[RaymondG]

What if my prayers were that God will send you to Hell? Would you like the answer to be yes?

Don't worry, my prayers weren't that, and the answer to them will be yes because they are according to God's will, prayed in the Spirit by His leading, but only if you accept it from the Holy Spirit.

Again, you dont have to worry about me worrying...your words are just words.

This is a good question however.....I touched a little on this when I questioned you and Greg about your experiences. I asked you to only answer based on your prayers for yourself, because prayers for others involve many other factors....

I wont go into details, because you believe you already understand them, and I dont want to give those, not ready, these tools, lest they throw a mountain into the sea , wiping out millions along the coast, just to prove me wrong.

It is important to read the whole bible, as you stated, and remember all the laws of God. "And as ye would that men should do to you, do ye also to them likewise." It would be unwise to pray a prayer toward someone else, whose outcome you would not wish to take upon yourself. All ditches dug for the righteous will become the home of the one digging.

So let us judge righteous judgement, and pray well for our enemies, and love those who spitefully use us.....not just for their good...but our own as well.