Healing methods?

[Southernscotty]

This is my favorite reason for why God says “no” but we so often forget to consider it. Because He is good and knows what’s eternally best for us, and doesn’t want us to settle, God sometimes says no or closes a door because He has something better for us that we haven’t even thought to ask for. He is One who can do “immeasurably more” than all we can ask or imagine (Ephesians 3:20). Trust His timing. Trust His “no.” And trust His idea of what is eternally best for you. He really is a good father.
God has three answers. Yes, no, and wait. Because He can see what’s eternally best for us, and He can also see what’s coming down the road (and we can’t), trust His judgment. Don’t second-guess Him. His timing is always better than yours. If you are walking uprightly and what you’re asking for is truly a good thing then, according to Psalm 84:11, God is not withholding after all. It just isn’t time.

 

[RaymondG]

Sounds good, Yet:

"For every one that asketh receiveth; and he that seeketh findeth; and to him that knocketh it shall be opened."

 

[Southernscotty]

Sounds good, Yet:

"For every one that asketh receiveth; and he that seeketh findeth; and to him that knocketh it shall be opened."

That is "referenced to receiving salvation" Everyone who seeks God, God WILL find Him

 

[RaymondG]

So be careful what you ask for cause you will get it. And after you have full knowledge of how to ask, remember.....It profits you nothing to gain the world and lose your soul..... If it were not possible to do this with full understanding.....this warning would be without point.

 

[RaymondG]

That is "referenced to receiving salvation" Everyone who seeks God God WILL find Him

Yes, We change the scripture to match what we already believe.....instead of conforming our belief to the knowledge of scripture. Im sure you can think of many such cases. You say they misuse a verse....and they say you misuse it. Yet both are reading through lens of their own belief. Time to remove our shoes.....and our lens.

 

[Southernscotty]

Yes, We change the scripture to match what we already believe.....instead of conforming our belief to the knowledge of scripture. Im sure you can think of many such cases. You say they misuse a verse....and they say you misuse it. Yet both are reading through lens of their own belief. Time to remove our shoes.....and our lens.

LOL Bible Scripture is what I believe, but it must be taken in the correct format.
20/20 vision. 20 veres before and 20 verses after ----at least...

 

[RaymondG]

LOL Bible Scripture is what I believe, but it must be taken in the correct format.
20/20 vision. 20 veres before and 20 verses after ----at least...

And if your eyes offend you. Pluck em out. Why do we need to let our minds teach us what words mean, when we can get the teaching directly from the one who inspired the words? You have the author and you have the book....which do we go to, to explain the book?

 

[Southernscotty]

And if your eyes offend you. Pluck em out. Why do we need to let our minds teach us what words mean, when we can get the teaching directly from the one who inspired the words? You have the author and you have the book....which do we go to, to explain the book?

The Holy Spirit opens our minds understanding the Word.

 

[RaymondG]

The Holy Spirit opens our minds understanding the Word.

And after He opens it, you still have to read 20 verses before and after to see if it makes sense to.........who? our minds? our current doctrine?

 

[Southernscotty]

And after He opens it, you still have to read 20 verses before and after to see if it makes sense to.........who? our minds? out current doctrine?

Well yes, You still have to take the Word of God in the context it is written. The 20/20 rule is a great rule and it keeps us from getting stuck on one verse teachings which many people are stuck in.
We live under new testament grace and way too many people want to dredge up old stuff that was leading up to the fact of us being saved by grace through faith and not one more thing added to it.

 

[RaymondG]

Well yes, You still have to take the Word of God in the context it is written. The 20/20 rule is a great rule and it keeps us from getting stuck on one verse teachings which many people are stuck in.
We live under new testament grace and way too many people want to dredge up old stuff that was leading up to the fact of us being saved by grace through faith and not one more thing added to it.

You keep switching things up. Shouldnt the instruction of the holy Spirit be final? Why would we question Him and subject Him to Rules and question if it falls in line with our interpretation of other passages?

 

[Southernscotty]

You keep switching things up. Shouldnt the instruction of the holy Spirit be final? Why would we question Him and subject Him to Rules and question if it falls in line with our interpretation of other passages?

John 16:13 But when he, the Spirit of truth, comes, he will guide you into all the truth. He will not speak on his own; he will speak only what he hears, and he will tell you what is yet to come.


Does this say that He will force feed you or guide you???

 

[RaymondG]

John 16:13 But when he, the Spirit of truth, comes, he will guide you into all the truth. He will not speak on his own; he will speak only what he hears, and he will tell you what is yet to come.


Does this say that He will force feed you or guide you???

According to you, i would need to read 20 verses above and 20 below to understand what this is saying.

And no we arent force fed. God allows us to run around in our own beliefs and knowledge and doctrines as long as we desire to.

He only gives us the truth when we ask. And again, when we ask, He wont say no or wait.

"If any of you lack wisdom, let him ask of God, that giveth to all men liberally, and upbraideth not; and it shall be given him."

 

[Southernscotty]

According to you, i would need to read 20 verses above and 20 below to understand what this is saying.

And no we arent force fed. God allows us to run around in our own beliefs and knowledge and doctrines as long as we desire to.

He only gives us the truth when we ask. And again, when we ask, He wont say no or wait.

"If any of you lack wisdom, let him ask of God, that giveth to all men liberally, and upbraideth not; and it shall be given him."

That is our freewill yes. That is why I like the 20 verse theory. It is not mandatory or biblical, But I think it is a great thing to do as most scripture will explain itself if given the chance, Don't you agree? This Keeps us from misusing scripture so much. The Holy Spirit is a teacher and we are being sanctified. That is why it says He "guides" us.

 

[Presbyterian Continuist]

Can you give an example in scripture where God states that if you ask for something you wont receive it?

James talks about the necessity of having a single minded faith when asking God for things. He says that a double minded man is unstable in all his ways. To have genuine faith, must must know the will of God, because Jesus says that if we ask for anything that is the will of God for us, we will receive it. Therefore, one must be totally sure that what he is asking for is the will of God for him, otherwise it is presumption and not faith.

Most people who ask for things and do not receive, do not spend the time waiting on God to ensure that what they are asking for is actually the will of God for them. The presume that just because they ask, they will receive. But that is not the case. James says that people ask for the wrong reasons, and therefore should not expect to receive from God. Although the eye of the Lord is upon the righteous and His ear is open to their prayer, He is not a vending machine, and treating God like a vending machine to ask Him for our wants, it is hit and miss affair.

 

[RaymondG]

James talks about the necessity of having a single minded faith when asking God for things. He says that a double minded man is unstable in all his ways. To have genuine faith, must must know the will of God, because Jesus says that if we ask for anything that is the will of God for us, we will receive it. Therefore, one must be totally sure that what he is asking for is the will of God for him, otherwise it is presumption and not faith.

Most people who ask for things and do not receive, do not spend the time waiting on God to ensure that what they are asking for is actually the will of God for them. The presume that just because they ask, they will receive. But that is not the case. James says that people ask for the wrong reasons, and therefore should not expect to receive from God. Although the eye of the Lord is upon the righteous and His ear is open to their prayer, He is not a vending machine, and treating God like a vending machine to ask Him for our wants, it is hit and miss affair.

Can you quote where in the bible Jesus states what you say He stated?:

Jesus says that if we ask for anything that is the will of God for us, we will receive it

The reason why people dont receive everything they ask for is evident in this thread. You have someone saying that you receive everything you ask for, yet instead of asking How and testing it out, we just say it is false and fall back on the doctrines that we've been taught all our lives. We throwing out popular phrases about vending machines and the fact that most people dont receive what they ask for...to justify this belief.

WE have to ask ourselves, what is the harm in allowing others to believe what Jesus Said?:
"And all things, whatsoever ye shall ask in prayer, believing, ye shall receive"

I understand myself not trying it out....but what is my motive when I try and hinder others from trying and believing this?

The Disciples humbled themselves and asked "Teach us How to Pray" But myself, I receive a bunch of no's and waits and till assume that Im doing it right.

 

[Presbyterian Continuist]

Can you quote where in the bible Jesus states what you say He stated?:

Your fingers are as good as mine when it comes to using Google to find the exact references in James.

 

[RaymondG]

Your fingers are as good as mine when it comes to using Google to find the exact references in James.

It doesnt exist. Which is why I asked you to quote it. This is the second time we discussed you stating that what you believed was in the bible, to sway the reader.....when it wasnt there.

Why not just say what you believe and not try and give it more credence by saying that your words are also the words of God?

We are adults here and will respect your opinions as well.

 

[Greg J.]

Can you give an example in scripture where God states that if you ask for something you wont receive it?

It's a good question, because receiving from God is limited by our ability to properly handle his gifts more than whether he wants to grant us our desires or not. Even in response to just tithing, it is the Lord's nature to pour out so much blessing we won't be able to handle it (Malachai 3:10). But in the end, if we ask for something that would be bad for us, the answer (hopefully) will be no.

“Which of you fathers, if your son asks for a fish, will give him a snake instead? Or if he asks for an egg, will give him a scorpion? (Luke 11:11-12, 1984 NIV)

Some passages have already been posted in this thread, but here's some more.

Sometimes the Lord's answer is "yes," but we won't receive what we asked for (per Ephesians 6:10-18).

When the disciples James and John saw this, they asked, “Lord, do you want us to call fire down from heaven to destroy them ?” But Jesus turned and rebuked them, (Luke 9:54-55, 1984 NIV)

Note the word "if" in the following passages. It is not within our power to grant ourselves faith just because we want it. God grants faith according to his will.

This is the confidence we have in approaching God: that if we ask anything according to his will, he hears us. And if we know that he hears us—whatever we ask—we know that we have what we asked of him. (1 John 5:14-15, 1984 NIV)

Jesus replied, “I tell you the truth, if you have faith and do not doubt, not only can you do what was done to the fig tree, but also you can say to this mountain, ‘Go, throw yourself into the sea,’ and it will be done. (Matthew 21:21, 1984 NIV)

Regarding asking God for wisdom:
But when he asks, he must believe and not doubt, because he who doubts is like a wave of the sea, blown and tossed by the wind. That man should not think he will receive anything from the Lord; he is a double-minded man, unstable in all he does. (James 1:6-8, 1984 NIV)

However, if you do not obey the LORD your God and do not carefully follow all his commands and decrees I am giving you today, all these curses will come upon you and overtake you: (Deuteronomy 28:15, 1984 NIV)

 

[Presbyterian Continuist]

It doesnt exist. Which is why I asked you to quote it. This is the second time we discussed you stating that what you believed was in the bible, to sway the reader.....when it wasnt there.

Why not just say what you believe and not try and give it more credence by saying that your words are also the words of God?

We are adults here and will respect your opinions as well.

Greg J has quoted the Scriptures that I had in mind.