Because people are gullible and want to believe in "magical" hogwash
No.Do you know what car beat trucks and jeeps in the race around australia years ago, several years in a row ?
I thought you were of the opinion that it was never anything else. Apart from that, are we comparing the Blood of Christ to a rock carved by some benighted heathen?And the wine from the Eucharist that didn't get drunk - is that just wine?
What about people God Hates ? We do not decide nor determine what to do ,people we don't like.
I thought you were of the opinion that it was never anything else. Apart from that, are we comparing the Blood of Christ to a rock carved by some benighted heathen?
I can believe that.vw beetle
(back when they were made of steel)
And of course, we have our Lord's example to follow when He picked up a rock Himself and hove it at the woman taken in adulktery, right? Oh, wait...What about people God Hates ? We do not decide nor determine what to do ,
And everybody down at the mosque said "amen!"it is God's Determination, God's Plan, God's Purpose, Revealed by the Father to His children... in line with all Scripture.
As I recall, St Paul said:Just like "do not eat anything with the blood in it" for also "the life is in the blood"....
While an idol starts out as a piece of rock, and becomes an idol only by being carved into an image of something. Smash it, and it's just some rocks again.The underlying issue is the Church's belief that via sacrament the physical becomes something more...
While an idol starts out as a piece of rock, and becomes an idol only by being carved into an image of something. Smash it, and it's just some rocks again.
By whom? By the rock carver, with a chisel? As opposed to our Lord Himself, by His Word? Hardly equal, wouldn't you agree? The rock was never anything but a carved rock. The wine has become the Blood of Christ, by His Word. You're wanting to attribute some magical power to the rock. There wasn't any, ever.Does the church apply the same rational to the wine that is not consumed during the eucharist - It must be drunk by the priest and not just poured away.
By ritual dedication both the rock and the wine are spiritually modified
By whom? By the rock carver, with a chisel? As opposed to our Lord Himself, by His Word? Hardly equal, wouldn't you agree? The rock was never anything but a carved rock. The wine has become the Blood of Christ, by His Word. You're wanting to attribute some magical power to the rock. There wasn't any, ever.
Better gimme a quote on that. All I recall is phony conjurors trying to scare off God's Prophets. Where'd the "empowering objects" part come in?Good try... but in fact ritual dedication does impower objects - maybe you havent read Exodus 7 for a while ???
Rubbish. Cite me a real example of "demonic empowerment", and I'll consider it, but there isn't any such thing in Exodus 7. Satan is a fraud and a liar. His best hold is to get people to believe in his "powers". We see his "powers" in the New Testament- tormenting poor unfortunates, trying to con our Lord into doing his bidding, and generally behaving like the lying sack that he is.No one is saying demonic empowerment is any challenge to God's power
but it still exists which is a matter you seem to want to deny.
Better gimme a quote on that. All I recall is phony conjurors trying to scare off God's Prophets. Where'd the "empowering objects" part come in?
Let's stop trying to make a little god out of Old Nick. He's a liar, and a cheat, and a grifter, a four-flusher (look that one up) and a fraud. Oh yeah, he'll jerk you around if you buy into his line of crud,and lead you to ruin and death if you're nincompoop enough to believe him. For crying out lound don't lend the miserable slug any credibility.
Want to deny? I do deny it, loudly and emphatically! "Oops, gotta be scared of that rock, because Satan." "Gotta stay away from the crystal because the devil."No one is saying demonic empowerment is any challenge to God's power but it still exists which is a matter you seem to want to deny.
Demonic empowerment? Looks like a couple of pretty good stage conjurors got owned. "Demonic empowerment"? As I said, rubbish. You set too much store by Satan and demons.Aaron's rod and the rod's of Pharaoh's magicians.
Oh, am I in danger of insulting Old Nick? Dang!By your language, you seem to be crossing a line
I'll take my chances. Greater is He that is in me than he who is in the world.Reviling angelic majesties including the devil is off limits...
I wouldn't waste all that much time with him Carl.By your language, you seem to be crossing a line, is this not what Jude warned us not to do ???
Reviling angelic majesties including the devil is off limits...
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