healing and forgiveness

[sunlover1]

Yes; faith that healed or not healed, at this point it is for our benefit.

Hello thekla
Hope things are going smoothly for you
I'm sorry that I dont understand your words above.
We'll just blame it on the late hour if that's alright
Or was there a comma missing after 'that'?

God does not ask us to become perfect first. He perfects

For by one offering he hath perfected for ever
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16 All scripture is given by inspiration of God, and is profitable for doctrine,
for reproof, for correction, for instruction in righteousness:
17 That the man of God may be perfect,
throughly furnished unto all good works.​

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be of good comfort, be of one mind, live in peace;
and the God of love and peace shall be with you.
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[sk8Joyful]

Last but not least, does faith have any bearing on healing?
sunlover

"faith" and in what?

Too many christians, also demonstrated in this thread, say to GOD: "IF you want me well, then you heal me"
otoh:
Lossa 'atheist'-believers, instead say to their docs "ok doc, make me well"

Both, depending on some Outside-agent/power, cont. missing the mark. Yet,
many of us actually had/have more success, in guiding the latter to *Accepting* healing.

Dispensing uselessly arguing their failed religion; some will take a new path, whether/or not armed with evidence it's worked for others - Whoever sets their Intent on *joyful/health* success, will gain freedom. - And when, in that process, we get another soul *accepting Christ* as well, so much the better

Faith for healing? - what about when the (from birth) cripple was healed. (he begged for/expected a $-handout, instead); but the disciple pulled him up by the hand, commanding him to WALK. And walk... he did. NO "faith" was mentioned there.

The man didn't even know what hit him, before at last he was jumping-up, & walking...

Apparently more is going on, than many suppose.

 

[sk8Joyful]

Originally Posted by sk8Joyful

Yes, GOD does on occasion for healing, directly Divinely intervene.

(Regardless of what Catherine believes, in her: "I am not sure what planet you are from, but good luck on the journey home.")

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Yes, God does heal
sometimes.
No, he does not make severed limbs and missing organs grow back, or necrotic tissue regenerate.

[Staff Edit] who have/do help people heal of adversities & dis-eased conditions, includg. such not yet mentioned, is one thing.

Yet now you're telling GOD what He can, or can not do??

 

[Catherineanne]

"Do not judge, and you will not be judged. Do not condemn, and you will not be condemned. Forgive, and you will be forgiven. Give, and it will be given unto you. A good measure, pressed down, shaken together and running over will be poured into your lap.

For with the measure you use, it will be measured to you." Luke 6 v 37 ff

 

[Strong in Him]

Both, depending on some Outside-agent/power, cont. missing the mark.

This sounds as if you're saying that some people depend on others, either God or doctors, to bring about their healing. "Missing the mark" suggests, as you have done before, that the human body is capable of completely healing itself by itself, and no one needs any "outside agent" to make this happen.

If this is what you are saying, and it sure sounds like it, then where is GOD in all of this, as far as you're concerned, and what do you believe about him?
Or is it just that GOD created our bodies, with this marvellous in-built, self-healing system, and when our bodies heal themselves without any help, as you say they should, then that is the time to praise him; but the idea of his being involved, at any level, either with healing the sick or helping/sustaining a person during their illness is completely alien to you?

I notice you have not answered any of the previous points I made/questions I asked.

Faith for healing? - what about when the (from birth) cripple was healed. (he begged for/expected a $-handout, instead); but the disciple pulled him up by the hand, commanding him to WALK. And walk... he did. NO "faith" was mentioned there.

That's true, and is another example of healing for those who insist that this is only done in response to faith.
But you have missed out the most important bit of this account; Peter looked at the man and said, "in the name of Jesus Christ, walk." Peter, and the other disciples, had been sent out by Jesus, while he was still on earth, to heal the sick (Luke 10:9). They were told also to proclaim that the kingdom of God was near. Jesus' healing miracles verified and confirmed who he was - from God. In the Gospels and NT, healing always points people to God and is done in Jesus' name. In 1 Corinthians 12, Paul lists healing as being one of the gifts of the Holy Spirit. Presumably the disciples all healed in Jesus' name because they had all been given this gift by him. They proclaimed healing in Jesus' name, and with his power and authority; but it was Jesus who healed the man.

Apparently more is going on, than many suppose.

The man did not suddenly realise that his body had the means to heal itself; he got to his feet by the power of Jesus.

 

[Thekla]

I'm sorry that I dont understand your words above.
We'll just blame it on the late hour if that's alright
Or was there a comma missing after 'that'?

nah, I'm just as incoherent during the day

Sometimes, God heals.
Sometimes, we are not healed.
Either way, it is for our benefit.

 

[Catherineanne]

Sometimes, God heals.
Sometimes, we are not healed.
Either way, it is for our benefit.

Lord, have mercy

 

[Strong in Him]

Sometimes, God heals.
Sometimes, we are not healed.
Either way, it is for our benefit.

 

[Merlin]

Pride? Oh how little you know about me! If I was proud to be ill, I wouldn't complain about it; and I can assure you I don't do masochism or martyrdom.

i only know what i read here
you emphasize you are 'strong'
a vague, generalised post is redirected to you.
you bring up your dis~ease
you bring up about others with regards to your healing...

 

[Merlin]

I didn't give it as proof of non healing, I just said, "what about John 5?" Verse 3 says that a "great number" of disabled people used to lie by the pool of Bethesda; yet we are only told that Jesus healed one of them.

how thick would a Bible be if details were given about every healing?

It looks very much as though Jesus singled out ONE of the people lying there for healing, and I wondered if you had any thoughts on that?

see above

Also, Jesus did not go to the cross because he had taught all the people he could, and healed all those who needed it. There were people in the country and surrounding areas who did not get healed by him.

the 'cross' is not about healing.

 

[Strong in Him]

how thick would a Bible be if details were given about every healing?

And yet the words "then Jesus returned to heal the others by the pool", take up no space at all.

It seems that Jesus did not heal all of those who were literally lying at his feet, but only one.

 

[Merlin]

But you have missed out the most important bit of this account; Peter looked at the man and said, "in the name of Jesus Christ, walk."

notice also, a command in the name of Jesus Christ, walk. not, 'if it be your will, God, please heal this man'
it is God's will.
you need not ask Him to do it.

how many plead for God to do more?

 

[Strong in Him]

i only know what i read here
you emphasize you are 'strong'
a vague, generalised post is redirected to you.
you bring up your dis~ease
you bring up about others with regards to your healing...

My username is Strong in him. Even if I were 100% healthy I would still only be strong in him, since he gives me everything I need; life, salvation, unconditional love and acceptance, security, the Holy Spirit, gifts, the power to serve him etc.

I would hope that all Christians say that they are only strong in him and without him they can do nothing.

IF I am strong in my illness - and believe me, I have my off days and do my share of complaining - then it is only HIS power which gives me the strength to endure. I will willingly boast of HIS faithfulness, how he is strong when I am weak and how HE has used me to help or encourage others, even though it may seem that I am the last person he would use. That is not pride in myself or my illness; it is awe at the God who is always faithful and always there.

Paul told the Corinthians that God's foolishness is wiser than human wisdom. Using disabled, sick, illiterate, unemployed people to serve him as well, or maybe sometimes instead of, wise, articulate, educated, rich, strong ones, might seem to be complete folly. But God knows what he is doing.
Paul also told the Corinthians that God's strength can be seen in weakness. It's obvious - when you can't rely on yourself and your own strength; you have only his.

 

[Merlin]

And yet the words "then Jesus returned to heal the others by the pool", take up no space at all.

It seems that Jesus did not heal all of those who were literally lying at his feet, but only one.

Yes, you'd have better at Bible writing than god

 

[Strong in Him]

notice also, a command in the name of Jesus Christ, walk. not, 'if it be your will, God, please heal this man'
it is God's will.

If it was God's will to heal all the sick, then he would do. Simple.

Some people have said that they have prayed for a sick person knowing that they will be healed. Such conviction and faith is given by God. God tells someone that they will be healed after a prayer, or at a particular service, and they are. This could be what happened with Peter and John; we aren't told what the Spirit said to them or what went on in their hearts.

Others have said "in Jesus' name, be healed", and nothing happens. I don't know, but I would guess that such a prayer is offered in the belief that as God can heal, then he must want to and right now. From everything I have read about healing, when GOD himself gives a direct and specific word about wanting to heal in someone's life; he always does it. If humans try to tell God that now is the time that he must heal - sometimes he does, in his graciousness, other times he gives the Christian strength to persevere and brings healing in HIS time.

you need not ask Him to do it.

We don't need to ask God to do anything; he knows our hearts and what we need and desire. But we do, because this is what the NT tells us to do.

Jesus told his disciples it was ok to ask God to meet their needs, he told them that God knows what we need before we ask for it, and in fact we don't even have to use words. In fact he instructed us to "ask and it will be given to you". He also taught us to pray "thy will be done."
Paul told Christians to "pray at all times", he told them to pray for others, and pray as they put on the armour of God (Ephesins 6). James said that the prayer offered in faith would heal the sick man.

Why would these people teach about the importance of prayer, if we "don't need to ask God" to heal (or for anything else)?

 

[Strong in Him]

Yes, you'd have better at Bible writing than god

I realise the thought that Jesus didn't heal some people but walked past and left them disabled is an uncomfortable one, but the fact remains that in John chapter 5 we are told about a "great many" disabled people, and only the healing of one is recorded. I don't know if Jesus did heal dozens of others that day but the Gospel writer just didn't think it was important enough to write about, or whether only one person WAS healed and he didn't want to ask the question, 'why'.

People who insist that Jesus healed everyone he came into contact with, will probably want to assume that all these people were healed, to back up their argument. The fact is we don't know, though it is possible that they weren't.

 

[Merlin]

My username is Strong in him. Even if I were 100% healthy I would still only be strong in him, since he gives me everything I need; life, salvation, unconditional love and acceptance, security, the Holy Spirit, gifts, the power to serve him etc.

we are all strong in Him.
but you feel the need to point out you, specifically, are strong
in Him.

 

[Merlin]

If it was God's will to heal all the sick, then he would do. Simple.

just as God is not willing that any should perish, so all are saved. right?
His will

 

[Merlin]

Well, this thread is drifting towards divine intervention, which was not the intended topic.
The topic is our own inherent healing abilities and emotions such as unforgiveness interfering with healing.

 

[Strong in Him]

we are all strong in Him.

Glad to hear it.

but you feel the need to point out you, specifically, are strong
in Him.

It's the username I chose! If you want to start calling yourself Strong in Him2, then go ahead.

CHRIST is strong, not me.