healing and forgiveness

[Catherineanne]

This is still no reason for suggesting that all unhealed people remain so by their own choice, could be healed if they put their minds to it (positive thinking, or whatever) and need to learn to forgive to make that healing happen.

Chronic disability is not a lifestyle choice that any sane person would make.

If there were a way out, I am certain both you and I would have found it long ago, SIH.

 

[Thekla]

a pre-born sometimes chooses to die (stillborn), or develop-abnormally, in mind-processes similar to how children & adults also develop abnormal conditions, dis~eases, etc.

The human brain does not complete its formation until aprox three months after birth; the pre-born child and infant have an "impaired will".

 

[Strong in Him]

Most people know we are each different, in our choices. This includes choices we make before birth,
while still developing & growing in utero.

We don't make any choices before birth. How can we? To make choices, the part of our brain that is involved in making decisions needs to be fully formed, and we need information. What foetus experiences perfect health, then illness, considers both and says "on the whole, I prefer health, so I'll choose to be born without any illnesses."? Or what unborn child weighs up all the options and says "I think I'll choose to be born disabled, then not much will be expected of me in life. I don't want a severe disability; I think I'll just stop some of my fingers from developing properly, that should do it."

Please show me some scientific evidence that proves that an unborn child is a) able to make informed choices and b) decides to deliberately choose to be born disabled.

This surely must be New Age, or some other type of philosophy, because it isn't Christian.

For instance, it was discovered that each of mom's strong beliefs,
emotions, & thought-processes... directly influence each baby, via hormones etc.

1. Each preborn is physically tethered, attached to mom via the umbilical cord; so unless baby is really driven-away, how can you expect a preborn to respond to harmful sensations such as Anger, anxiety, depression, disgust, disappointment, fear, jealousy, rage, sadness, & other overpowering negative emotions; like what are those strange things?? I don't like how they make me feel, so I'm leaving now. Good bye!" - No, most learn to endure, come what may; later often suffering (seemingly-unexplainable) consequences.

An unborn child may sense its mother is upset/pleased/angry or whatever, but this does not mean that they absorb those negative emotions into themselves and consciously let themselves be affected by them. You're implying that a mother who is bitter will pass that bitterness on to the child and that they will be born with a physical illness purely because of that negative emotion? Evidence?

2. Also once we're born, we have more choices: we can cry, & hopefully someone caring, loving, & kind will come to our aid , support , nourishing & nurture Later on, possibilities exist that we could walk/run & tell another person our vital... needs. - Such & others are numerous choices, that obviously no preborn has.

I think you'll find that crying is not a choice, it is intially a reflex action - when the baby takes its first breath.

Babies do tell us thie vital needs - by crying!

So as a preborn is continuously, repetitively, & persistently hit/impacted with overpoweringly destructive emotions, he/she might encounter more trouble determining "Is this dad's? abuse towards mom, or is this mom's? crazy beliefs or thoughts, or is this all my fault?" - Mortally experience-wise severely limited, a pre-born sometimes chooses to die (stillborn), or develop-abnormally, in mind-processes similar to how children & adults also develop abnormal conditions, dis~eases, etc.

Again, I don't believe a newborn is capable of making that choice. Their unformed bodies may be too sick to live, or whatever, but no foetus lies there and thinks "shall I die or shall I be born, live and get to know my family?" I don't think an unborn child knows that there is anything for them outside the womb, far less able to make a choice about whether or not they want it.

Sorry but you sound as though you're trying to explain the moedical and scientific reasons for something without actually knowing any medicine or science.

Having substantiated such knowledge, from day in & out helping people heal, is why Merlin said:

"But I did not choose to be ill; in fact I doubt that anyone does."

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you'd be surprised

No, sorry but unless she has conducted a proper scientific study and survey, asking people from all over the world, with all kinds of illnesses, over a period of many years, Merlin only has her own experience to go on.
Like I said before, it might be the case that she has encountered people who've been really angry/bitter towards another person and are also physically ill. Maybe that person has been helped to face up to the situation and been able to forgive, and soon after have begun to get physically better. The conclusion that some people would draw from that is that it was their anger/bitterness/lack of forgiveness that was preventing healing. That may have been true for the people she has worked with, or it could have been coincidence. Either way, it is wrong to draw the conlusion that 95% of all chronic illnesses are caused by unforgiveness.

*from-the-dead-resurrection* belongs in GOD's department.
When everything is done in someone's favor , certainly CPR (as a first-aid measure) succeeds;
provided the particular soul/mind hasn't decided 'I'm leaving; Good bye')

And have you any evidence to support your theory that some people cannot be revived by CPR because their sould has already decided it's time to go?

Actually, have you any evidence for any of this? Even the OP has said that illness being caused by unforgiveness is not specifically Scriptural, and what you're saying is neither scriptural nor Christian. Which again makes me think that this is either your own personal philosophy, or some kind of New Age/cult teaching and you are using this board as a platform for your beliefs - making it look Christian by occasionally mentioning God.

 

[PreachersWife2004]

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