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"He who practices righteousness is righteous" (1 John 3:7)

Discussion in 'Controversial Christian Theology' started by BCsenior, Apr 14, 2021.

  1. BCsenior

    BCsenior Still an evangelist

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    So, you believe that BACs can be habitual unrepentant adulterers
    until death and still go to heaven?
    Or, do you think that God will convince them to repent before death?

    Don't forget that all humans are created with free will.
    And if they have been brainwashed re: OSAS eternal security,
    they might just not be open to correction, thinking they're A-OK.
     
  2. timothyu

    timothyu Well-Known Member

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    They simply put God's will ahead of their own. The same simple thing Jesus said was expected of us.
     
  3. timothyu

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    Everybody has their version of good news but Jesus spoke of only one (His Gospel of the Kingdom), that God would soon dwell among man permanently and the Adversary would be out of a job (along with a lot of churches and religions).
     
  4. BCsenior

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    What level of belief do you think John 3:16 is talking about?
     
  5. timothyu

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    The same one Jesus taught mentioned in #503. (not just the partial one most mention)

    Acts 19:8 He (Paul) went into the synagogue, and spake boldly for the space of three months, disputing and persuading the things concerning the Kingdom of God

    Acts 28: 23 And when they had appointed him a day, there came many to him into his lodging; to whom he expounded and testified the kingdom of God, persuading them concerning Jesus, both out of the law of Moses, and out of the prophets, from morning till evening. 24 And some believed the things which were spoken, and some believed not.

    Acts 28: 30 And Paul dwelt two whole years in his own hired house, and received all that came in unto him, 31 Preaching the kingdom of God, and teaching those things which concern the Lord Jesus Christ, with all confidence, no man forbidding him.
     
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  6. BCsenior

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    It seems like you are trusting completely in what
    God's grace did for you when you were FIRST saved.
    But, INITIAL salvation is not FINAL salvation.
    Because, for one reason ...
    salvation is dependent on the process of sanctification.

    In Romans 6:16-19, Paul makes it clear that:
    --- being a slave of sin results in eternal death
    --- being a slave of obedience results in righteousness
    --- being a slave of righteousness results in holiness

    I've actually had people say that Romans 6 does NOT apply to BACs.
     
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  7. timothyu

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    Yes. Which would comply with
    Matthew 13:
    19 When any one heareth the word of the kingdom, and understandeth it not, then cometh the wicked one, and catcheth away that which was sown in his heart. This is he which received seed by the way side.

    20 But he that received the seed into stony places, the same is he that heareth the word, and anon with joy receiveth it;

    21 Yet hath he not root in himself, but dureth for a while: for when tribulation or persecution ariseth because of the word, by and by he is offended.

    22 He also that received seed among the thorns is he that heareth the word; and the care of this world, and the deceitfulness of riches, choke the word, and he becometh unfruitful.

    It can be accepted but lost
     
  8. Minister Monardo

    Minister Monardo Well-Known Member Supporter

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    I am not sure how that would work.

    I do not believe that I contradicted this statement in any way.
    Maybe you could go back and look at my entire post and not respond to one statement
    while informing me of what I "seem to be trusting". There was much more to my post
    than the one line you are quoting.
     
  9. Guojing

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    True, as long as you also recognize too that it was never meant for gentiles, Matthew 10:5, Matthew 15:24, we are in agreement
     
  10. aiki

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    ??? Why would I believe that? Such a person would, obviously, never have been saved.

    What do you think genuine spiritual regeneration does to a person, exactly?

    Did I seem in danger of forgetting this?

    You seem to have a low view of the power of the Spirit at work in a born-again person.
     
  11. Guojing

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    What gospel do you think Abraham was preached to at genesis 15:5?

    Are you assuming it was also 1 cor 15:1-4?
     
  12. aiki

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    Nowhere is this ever stated in Scripture. Never is the phrase "initial salvation" or "final salvation" ever used in the New Testament. This unbiblical language is merely a cover for works-salvation which the Bible flatly and repeatedly rejects. (Ephesians 2:8-9; 2 Timothy 1:9; Titus 3:5)
     
  13. Hazelelponi

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    It has little to do with "personal".. it's general.

    Anyone who is not hanging onto Christ and His work for their salvation (like their lives depends on it) when they die are going to hell, period. It doesn't matter how many works someone does, it is only Christ who saves.

    And that is the point your posts skip over... we need to be teaching people to be like the tax collector beating his breast begging Gods mercy, and not like the Pharisee head held high.

    We aren't righteous, we all need a Messiah... a false sense of righteousness is just false.
     
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  14. timothyu

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    But it does now and remains the same. Simply put... Kingdom special, not the Jew or Gentile.
     
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  15. Michael Collum

    Michael Collum Everything began with a voice, use yours Supporter

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    explain "level" - it's not a video game.
     
  16. Guojing

    Guojing Well-Known Member

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    Show scripture in which the resurrected Christ explicitly told the 11 that his previous command in Matthew 10:5 no longer holds.

    And no, the popular answer, Matthew 28:19 is not it. If it was, then Peter's reaction to Cornelius in Acts 10:28, and his response to the Jewish believers in Acts 11:4-17 will make no sense.
     
  17. timothyu

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    Because the gentiles were brought into the fold. You know the books/scriptures.

    I agree that the nations were all 12 tribes of the House of Israel.
     
  18. Guojing

    Guojing Well-Known Member

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    Still waiting for the scripture.
     
  19. timothyu

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    You don't need the scriptures (Ephesians) to know the Jews and Gentiles were united to become one in the Messiah. The council in Jerusalem had accepted Paul and the gentiles. Peter had been the first to speak to the gentiles. All were on Team Jesus. Nobody divvied up Jesus' teachings between the two at the time.
     
  20. Guojing

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    So you do agree that it was only until at least mid Acts, after Stephen was stoned, that things have changed.

    Alright then we are in agreement.
     
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