I don't think I'm allowed to quote other threads...but...I am basing my conclusion off of reading things such as "homos" "a gay person is an abomination" "gays are all going to hell" "gays are disgusting", "gays don't deserve equal rights" "god hates gays". I have seen phrases such as this many times over on many different threads here as well as in many other christian communities.
And I have seen just as many "fundies", "homophobes", "bigots", "haters", "literalists", "Bible-thumper" comments intended to impugn on this site and many others.
Gay people sin too, I'm not saying they don't, and they need to check themselves as well, but if one of them told me because I am a christian I am unintelligent and a bigot, then I would defend not only myself but my brothers and sisters.
Have you not seen how many times the gay people on this site call others bigoted or hate-filled?
that's a load, because yes they have. here and in society they are attacked over and over again.
Are we now talking about what society does or are we talking about this forum? If you want to go outside this forum, I can show you all sorts of attacks perpetrated by gays.
you actually think this is a myth? it happens all the time.
For the purposes of THIS Christian forum, who has said that they hate gay people? Again, outside of this forum , I can show you numerous accounts of gay people expressing hate for those who point out gay sex acts as sinful.
You seriously aren't catching what I'm throwing. I'm not saying that if you feel God convicts you to minister to someone because of their sins you should not, I am speaking ONLY about those who hate and rage against gay people, push them away, and call them names and deem 'they' are evil. It's the difference between a person saying "homosexual sex is an abomination" and "homosexuals are an abomination". It's the difference between saying "God hates sexual immorality" and "God hates Gays". You can share what you know, think you know or believe, without LYING and saying that God hates them or making them feel like God hates them. God loves them and that should be the MAIN message they get.
I catch what you're saying and am in agreement with you on this.
there is a difference between a child being told they are stupid for breaking a dish and being told they shouldn't run with the dish.
As there is also a difference between being told that it is sin to run with a dish and I hate you because you run with dishes.
You say you think it because it is what you think. Because we are fallible human beings and all we can do is say what we think is true, because until we pass, we can't prove it. But if you feel that lessens it, fine, don't, but no one needs to say mean and disrespectful things out of fear and hatred like often happens.
But this is what people who are Christians need to get past. It does not matter what they think. We are judged by what God says.
What He says is the standard of righteous judgment by which Christians are to teach, correct, rebuke and train in righteousness. 2 Timothy 3:16
As a Christian who has placed your faith in Jesus Christ, you should KNOW that His Word is TRUTH because He says so and HE cannot lie.
There is NOTHING for you to prove if you are a Christian. You trust Christ and HE has given His Word.
This goes right back to folks saying they are Christians but lacking the faith that God is big enough to keep simple little men from changing His Word.
Then take this if that is the case: Everytime I hear hatred come from a Christian, I feel pain, I want to cry, it hurts and, to me, it is because God convicts me to speak out against hate and to promote a loving, productive example of Christ and to let those who are tormented know that God DOES love them. Sin or no Sin, He loves them and so do I.
You know as I have said, and I haven't been around to read every thread, but I haven't seen any Christian in this forum say that they hate gays. So where is this idea of hatred coming from Christians coming from?
If I say what God's Word says about the sin being committed, why is that hatred other than the fact that God hates sin?
None can righteously judge but God himself. Yes every "group" does this kind of thing in one way or another, but I'm not talking about them I am talking about this situation alone. I can get into lots of examples, but the only concern I have is that the Christian community is seen as it should be. A community of love, forgiveness, and charity. A community who exemplifies Christ. Christ didn't sit with the sinners and say "Hi, I'm the son of God. You suck because you are a theif, you suck because you are a hooker, you suck because..." He SHOWED LOVE AND FORGIVENESS.
See. Why would you even say that without knowing what God's Word says about judging? As it stands, there is no Biblical support for you to say that none can righteously judge but God when His Word shows just the opposite.
And when Christ was with sinners, HE witnessed Himself. He is truth and that's what Christians are to witness. many in this forum don't want to hear the truth.
Not all nongays are that way, not all gays are that way...many are and many are not, but I am speaking specifically about those people who claim to be Christian and are filled with hatred of someone God created.
And as I have said, I haven't seen any Christian expressing hatred of any person. Hatred for sin maybe. But not hatred of a person.
If gays don't want to be discriminated against because of their orientation, then they need to stop assuming that people hate them because of that orientation.
Then WHY talk to them at all? If you saying something to them can't draw them to Christ, why be a jerk and pick on them? Why not just say "they will or they won't, it's up to them" Why witness? Why preach? Why try at all?[/quote]
14How, then, can they call on the one they have not believed in? And how can they believe in the one of whom they have not heard? And how can they hear without someone preaching to them? 15And how can they preach unless they are sent? As it is written, "How beautiful are the feet of those who bring good news!" Romans 10:14-15
The Christian is the instrument tht Christ uses to deliver His Word that makes men free. Christ draws men unto Himself via truth and the truth is to be delivered by the people of God. That truth is His Word, The Good News.
It convicts the heart and shows man why He needs a Savior.
Maybe, just maybe, if I work really hard (though I will never be perfect) at trying to SHOW Christ's love in my actions and words, that will make some Non-Christians think better of Christianity, and get them curious enough to seek some answers. And maybe some of them will come to Christ.
That's your way. In fact that is the way of a lot of men. That is not God's way. Who cares what the nonChristian thinks of Christianity? Christ wants the nonChristian to confess sin and repent and place his faith in Him.
And many people, like some on this board, can't get to that point because they accept God's delivered truth as hateful and then somebody else becomes their excuse for not letting the truth of God's Word sift them.
yes, it is their choice. But at least we can show them the right way. which is LOVE ONE ANOTHER. Not point out their faults until they freak out and bail on us.
PLANK PLANK PLANK.
Biblically( and I can give you full Biblical support of this whereas you can't for the way you're preposing) pointing out their wrong is an act of love because if it is righteously done, it is done in obedience to what God says to do.
No one realizes the need for a Savior until he recognizes that there is a sin problem in his life. And sitting around and letting people continue to sin without correcting them is not going to show them why they need a Savior.
If they are offended because you are kind to them and answer their questions and share your faith honestly and are straightforward, that is their problem.
If they are offended because a so-called christian uses derogatory terms and spends the whole time attacking them, completely focused on ONE aspect of their life (gay doesn't mean they spend all day and night having gay sex, they have friends, family, do charity, have jobs, etc...), then that is the Christian's fault.
If they are putting aspects of their life out there that the Christian would not have known about unless they told him, then the Christian is in obedience to God to point out the wrong.
And again, as for the derogatory terms, I don't condone it coming from anyone. If God's word assigns a name to an action that's what I'll call it. If God's Word assigns a title to someone based upon what they are doing, then that's what I'll refer to the person as. Otherwise, I call people by their screen name.
I don't know. Probably so, in some cases, maybe in a lot of cases. But again, it isn't their responsibility, it is ours.
Now you know you don't believe that someone is helping others to a HOLY GOD by encouraging them to sin.
And God has not tasked the Christian to do what only HE can do.
Which leads me back to my original question. Are these angry methods actually doing any good at all? Or would it be better to be kind and set an example. I in no way expect a person to HIDE their beliefs, or not be honest, but that is different then calling names and being an all around judgemental poophead.
And as I have said from the start, I haven't seen any Christian on here express hate for a gay person, but for the acts being committed by those persons.
That is SO not what I said. I did NOT say lie, or not tell the truth, I said if you feel convicted to do it, do it with respect to the person's character and feelings in a kind and loving manner.
You're responding to this based upon something I did not say you said.
