Have ya'll settled the Baptism question yet?

[InspectorVol]

Heard a good one on Baptism from a substitute preacher Sunday. He laid out how we believe that Baptism is neccasary and how there are others who don't. He used the verse:
<H3>Mark.16</H3>

1. [<B>16</B>] He that believeth and is<B> baptized shall be saved</B>; but he that believeth not shall be damned

and how people use the last part of that verse to exempt baptism from the process. He used the analogy of if someone was giving away new cars if you would just believe him and be baptized you would recieve a new car for free but if you didn't believe him you wouldn't be able to get one. Now, he said how many people do you think would not be baptized to get that new car or would claim that they should still get the car even though they didn't get baptized? Was his statement unclear or hard to understand? No. It wasn't&nbsp;and neither is God's.&nbsp;

 

[LouisBooth]

Did you ask him if that verse is in the earilest manuscripts we have? Ya don't need to be baptised to be saved.

 

[Thunderchild]

If the Bible is wrong. No-one needs to be baptised or repent.

If the Bible is right. Everyone needs to repent and be baptised.

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[Thunderz7]

With this section of Mark that is not in the earliest manuscripts.
And Acts 8:37, also not in the earliest mauscripts.
Does anyone ever wonder if someone was trying to establish a doctrine by "adding to the word of God"?

Nothing but the
BLOOD of JESUS

T7

 

[InspectorVol]

You said it right Thunderchild. Either take it all or just do away with it.

Louis- Do you mean to tell me that every verse in the bible that tells us to be baptized or mentions baptism was added to the "earliest transcripts"?&nbsp; IMHO baptism is too interwoven into the bible to be dismissed as " Ya don't need to be baptised to be saved." It is to me just as plain and easy to see as the nose on my face. I guess you won't get a car huh?&nbsp; &nbsp;&nbsp;

 

[Jenna]

I guess that I just don't understand why it is so hard for people to agree on Baptism. What is there to argue about? The Bible says for us to be baptized, so we should be baptized. We already know that it is not the baptism that saves, but that doesn't negate the fact that it is what we are told to do. It follows the same principle as the doing of good works. Because you have faith, you will do what God commands.&nbsp; &nbsp;

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Jenna

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&nbsp; Father-Son-Holy Spirit

 

[heydeerman]

I believe in infant baptism. Do we want to go there?

 

[Jenna]

If that is what you want to talk about, it is do-able. &nbsp;

I believe that infant baptism is scriptural and valid, so you won't get any arguments from me.

 

[heydeerman]

That can be a hot topic especially among Baptists and Pentecostals. I used to be in the "Infant baptism is not mentioned in the Bible so we shouldnt believe in it" camp. If you want to do an interesting Bible study and arent afraid to then this is a good topic. But be advised...your views on baptism might change.

 

[Thunderz7]

Jn.19:34(NASB)-"But one of the soldiers pierced His side with a spear, and immediately blood and water came out."

The Living Water, washed us with the water of the WORD at the cross. He gave it with His BLOOD.
If baptism in that BLOOD is enough for you, why isn't that water enough?

T7

 

[Jenna]

Howdy Heydeerman,
I wouldn't mind talking about it, but I settled the baptism question with myself many years ago. It is very unlikely that anyone could mention something that I have not already read and dealt with, personally.

Brightest Blessings!

 

[toad_ster]

Like I have said in a different thread. There are two different types of baptisms mentioned in the Bible. Baptism by water, and baptism by the Holy Spirit.

John the Baptist said: Matthew 3:11 (NIV)
"I baptize you with water for repentance. But after me will come one who is more powerful than I, whose sandals I am not fit to carry. He will baptize you with the Holy Spirit and with fire."

ok, to me that says that there are two different types of baptisms. Now if baptism by WATER does save, then where does that leave the Holy Spirit? Does he not come and baptize us?

We have to realize that baptizing was a well known practice well before Jesus' time. People did that to wash away their sins, to cleanse themselves.

If we still do that today then where does that leave the power of the blood of Christ? What can wash away my sins? Nothing but the blood of Jesus! It is when we believe, and accept Jesus as our personal Lord and Savior, repent for our sins that we are baptize by the Holy Spirit. The Holy Spirit cleanses us of our sins, makes us a new creation.
and since we our a new creation, our first act should be one of obedience. That act, showing the world that we are a child of God, that we are a new creation. how do we do that? By being baptized by water. This water does nothing special, however, it does show a symbolic representation of what happens to us spiritually.

 

[Thunderchild]

Matthew 3:11 (NIV)

"I baptize you with water for repentance. But after me will come one who is more powerful than I, whose sandals I am not fit to carry. He will baptize you with the Holy Spirit and with fire."

John the baptist said that? And you claim that he only mentions only 2 baptisms? Oh dear.

What can wash away my sins? Nothing but the blood of Jesus!

How interesting. Should I believe you, or the author of Acts, one Luke, he that cites Paul thus:

And one Ananias ... Came unto me, and stood, and said unto me, Brother Saul, receive thy sight. ..... And now why tarriest thou? arise, and be baptized, and wash away thy sins, calling on the name of the Lord.

 

[Thunderchild]

Oh no, InspectorVol. If someone can demonstrate good reason to believe that the Bible could be in error on this matter - I won't reject the possibility. (multiple authors and multiple passages declare that baptism is necessary - it would have to be extremely powerful evidence in contradiciton). One or two passages by the same author, and by no other - that is a different matter.

Argument: 1 Peter 3:21-22 does not say that baptism plays a part in salvation. The argument relies on the Bible not meaning what it clearly says, and in so many words. The argument would invalidate ANY possibility that the Bible (or at least 1 Peter) can be relied on for ANY accurate information. In contrast to all other argument I have encountered on any issue (baptism included), this argument is without hesitation declared to be a lie - the one who makes it deceives himself, if no-one else.

 

[toad_ster]

I am not going to get into this argument. I have been down this road before. A very painful road where there is no need to go back down it.
I can see both sides of the argument, but frankly I have to stand with the idea that WATER batism is not part of salvation. But, I am not knocking it down. I still believe everyone should be bapitzed by water, for several reasons:
a) act of obedience
b) to show the world that you are now a Child of God
c) because it is a perfect illustration on happens spiritually.

 

[Smilin]

Toad_ster:

Was Jesus not baptized with water by John the Baptist, and aren't we to follow his example in life?

Wouldn't that be another reason to be baptized by water?

 

[Auntie]

Originally posted by toad_ster

I am not going to get into this argument. I have been down this road before. A very painful road where there is no need to go back down it.
I can see both sides of the argument, but frankly I have to stand with the idea that WATER batism is not part of salvation. But, I am not knocking it down. I still believe everyone should be bapitzed by water, for several reasons:
a) act of obedience
b) to show the world that you are now a Child of God
c) because it is a perfect illustration on happens spiritually.

I agree with you toad_ster. I was raised in the Church of Christ, which taught me that forgiveness of sins was thru the very act of baptism. So I let them baptize me. Well, about 15 years after that, I learned from the Baptists that salvation is thru the shed blood of Jesus. And only then was I baptized by the Holy Spirit and received salvation.

So everything was backwards for me! My water baptism came many years before I was actually saved!

 

[LouisBooth]

"Wouldn't that be another reason to be baptized by water?"

Yes, it would be, but that is SANCTIFICATION, not a salvation issue. You don't have to be baptised to be saved.

 

[Thunderchild]

1Cr 6:11 And such were some of you: but ye are washed, but ye are sanctified, but ye are justified in the name of the Lord Jesus, and by the Spirit of our God.

I can't quite work out how it is possible for a person being saved without also being justified and sanctified .

 

[Thunderchild]

1Cr 6:11 And such were some of you: but ye are washed, but ye are sanctified, but ye are justified in the name of the Lord Jesus, and by the Spirit of our God.

I can't quite work out how it is possible for a person to be saved without also being justified and sanctified .