Have people changed?

[Autumnleaf]

It seems like more people are 'same sex attracted' and others are less likely to get married at an early age. Is this so and if it is why do you think it is?

 

[ImperialPhantom]

It's not that more people are. It's just that it's more socially acceptable to express those desires, and to not get married until a later age.

 

[Canuckmom]

Several generations of dominating, feminist mothers produces effeminate men. The public schools are promoting it, and the churches having long ago stopped teaching God's law are guiltlly silent or tolerant.

Many young women have misplaced priorities nowadays and want to have a career etc before they settle down.

 

[dawnsday]

ha!

 

[GrannieAnnie]

As far as same sex attraction goes, I think it's always been there, just now it's more open and in the media. Ages when people get married seems to go in cycles I think. I was 21 when I got married, my daughter was 27

 

[progressivegal]

As far as same sex attraction goes, I think it's always been there, just now it's more open and in the media. Ages when people get married seems to go in cycles I think. I was 21 when I got married, my daughter was 27

True. It's not that people are doing anything (sexually) much different than people were doing before, it's just that now we have constant media availability and not only know everyone's business, but know everyone's business right away.
And I also totally agree with "marriage ages" going in cycles.
One thing I think that was really interesting that I read recently with The Lost Apostle, which is a book about women in the early Christian Church, was that these early Christian women got married at a later age then other women in Rome. It seemed to be because they were so busy traveling, and teaching, and helping people, and helping to build and establish Christianity, that they put off marrying until later. In later years, when Christianity became the dominant religion in Europe there didn't seem to be much of a difference, everyone got married young (and pretty much everyone was Christian, or at least had to act like they were) though becoming a nun was another option for women besides marriage, which I've hearned at the time was often a way for those who didn't want to be "married off" to go live their own life, that it was actually quite an empowerring choice to make for many women. And now in recent history, it seems like Christians, or at least those who are practicing tend to get married earlier (at least in the North America, Europe, Australia, New Zealand, etc.) Interesting.
For the record, this is (as far back as I know, the "(1st) marriage ages" for my family:
Great Grandmother: 16
Grandmother:18
Mother:37
Me: 21
No divorce for anyone so far.
Interesting pattern though.

 

[fuzzymel]

Several generations of dominating, feminist mothers produces effeminate men. The public schools are promoting it, and the churches having long ago stopped teaching God's law are guiltlly silent or tolerant.

Many young women have misplaced priorities nowadays and want to have a career etc before they settle down.

Whats wrong with having a career when they settle down?

I would be bored sitting at home all day doing nothing but getting fat (which is exactly what I would probably do because I suck at housework).

 

[progressivegal]

Whats wrong with having a career when they settle down?

I would be bored sitting at home all day doing nothing but getting fat (which is exactly what I would probably do because I suck at housework).

Word. My husband PREFERS to do the laundry, cook (though our kitchen is so crappy, very minimal cooking actually occurs) and take care of the house. I would go crazy if I didn't work.

 

[fuzzymel]

I very much follow after my mother with regards to cooking. She set two microwaves on fire in her attempts to cook. Neither of us are safe to be left alone in the kitchen.

 

[Rebekka]

In the 19th century, the average age that people got married was about the same as now, at least over here, early 30's.

My parents and I got married at about the same age: 25 & 28, versus me 28.

Same sex relations are no longer illegal, at least in western countries, that's why you see them more often. But it was always there. One of my university professors specialized in 17th century Dutch lesbian poets, and renaissance lesbian love poetry. They were not hard to find at all.

 

[Oblivious]

Personally, I don't think people are getting married younger. In fact, I'd say the opposite is quite true. People now days are more focused on college and/or their career first, which I think is very wise. I am just speaking from people I know and myself personally.

As far as the same sex attraction - as already mentioned society is more acceptable of this, so people think it's okay to be this way.

 

[Adela]

Several generations of dominating, feminist mothers produces effeminate men. The public schools are promoting it, and the churches having long ago stopped teaching God's law are guiltlly silent or tolerant.

Many young women have misplaced priorities nowadays and want to have a career etc before they settle down.

Haha! It's those evil feminists, right? How dare they want to vote and go to school!

 

[fuzzymel]

Haha! It's those evil feminists, right? How dare they want to vote and go to school!

Wish you had reps!

 

[progressivegal]

I was just trying to figure out what effeminate men had to do with same-sex attraction... Women don't like effeminate men, so they become lesbian? Some men are effeminante, therefore gay?

I don't see how the first would hold true... If a woman didn't like a feminized male, she obviously wouldn't ditch men in favor of women... And effeminate men don't mean they're gay. One of the most effeminate men I know has 5 kids, and one of the most manly men I know is gay...

Exactly. Personally I find nothing turns me off more than a "macho
" man. I am attracted to men whom I wouldn't call "effeminate", but who have characteristics that are often categorized as "feminine" such as being kind, nurturing, sensitive, empathetic, and creative.

 

[HeyHomie]

People are getting married later in part because we have moved away from being an agrarian society, where getting married young = more kids = more help to work the farms.

 

[Redguard]

I don't really know what to say about the same-sex marriage stuff.

But in terms of people marrying younger... I think that people (women especially) have now learned how to measure themselves with a lot more measuring sticks than what was available "back in the day".

In olden times, a woman's worth was usually only measured by how suitable she was as a wife and a homemaker. If she was the type that couldn't get married (and at a young age, especially), that was about 90% of her worth out the window.

Today, there are so many more measuring sticks available as a means of measuring a woman's worth. I was surprised by the earlier comment that suggested that women who sought out careers before getting married had their priorities mixed up.

But in today's age, I think that women know that they won't be measured by society only by their ability to marry young and bear children.

Having this knowledge probably adds to the phenomenon that AutumnLeaf is noticing. And I agree with HeyHomie's comments as well.

 

[progressivegal]

I don't really know what to say about the same-sex marriage stuff.

But in terms of people marrying younger... I think that people (women especially) have now learned how to measure themselves with a lot more measuring sticks than what was available "back in the day".

In olden times, a woman's worth was usually only measured by how suitable she was as a wife and a homemaker. If she was the type that couldn't get married (and at a young age, especially), that was about 90% of her worth out the window.

Today, there are so many more measuring sticks available as a means of measuring a woman's worth. I was surprised by the earlier comment that suggested that women who sought out careers before getting married had their priorities mixed up.

But in today's age, I think that women know that they won't be measured by society only by their ability to marry young and bear children.

Having this knowledge probably adds to the phenomenon that AutumnLeaf is noticing. And I agree with HeyHomie's comments as well.

There have been so many astute observations on this thread.

 

[Rembrandtfan]

Apparrently, before 1800 it was a perfect world and sin didn't exist because women and slaves knew their place.

 

[whatisyourstory]

Several generations of dominating, feminist mothers produces effeminate men. The public schools are promoting it, and the churches having long ago stopped teaching God's law are guiltlly silent or tolerant.

Many young women have misplaced priorities nowadays and want to have a career etc before they settle down.

How is it a misplaced priority to think before having kids? Not sure where you live, but where I live, we don't rely on children to work the fields or bring extra income in. Infant death rate has massively decreased, so it isn't as necessary to have multiple children in the hopes that a few will make it. Leaving more time to establish a better living environment for those children.

Plus, there isn't anywhere in the Bible that says you must have children, get married, or settle down.

 

[LoveAlways]

If you have ever read Jane Austen, in the 1700s, it was common for women in at least her upper-crust circle to be in their mid-20s before marrying, and men older than that. In some cultures, at certain times, it wasn't uncommon for 14 or 15 year olds to get married, but it's a myth that until recently everyone married in their teens.

Grandma was 21, Mom was 22, I was 22

There's also nothing wrong with waiting to get married. I personally like cooking and more home related things. But God made us all different. A woman can have a career if she wants and there's nothing deviant or rebellious about it. As long as she's not hurting anyone... who cares? I'm thinking of getting a job this year myself.