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Anti-Christ European Have I found the framework for the Seven Year Covenant?(Agreement)

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Hi Davy,

Yes I do know that but am trying to see how you fit the 10 kings getting rid of the harlot into that. So are you saying that that is when the A/C sets up the A/D? ....because that is 1,290 days till the temple is cleansed.

Marilyn.

Remember this?

Lev 21:9
9 And the daughter of any priest, if she profane herself by playing the harlot, she profaneth her father: she shall be burnt with fire.
KJV


That is part of the meaning of that Rev.17:16 expression, burn her with fire. It's because the "great city" will have played the harlot with the kings of the earth, which we were actually told that at the start of the chapter:

Rev 17:1-2
17:1 And there came one of the seven angels which had the seven vials, and talked with me, saying unto me, Come hither; I will shew unto thee the judgment of the great harlot that sitteth upon many waters:


2 With whom the kings of the earth have committed fornication, and the inhabitants of the earth have been made drunk with the wine of her fornication.
KJV


Jerusalem is God's place He chose to dwell forever. He married her per Ezekiel 16. So when Antichrist comes there and sets up the seven heads, ten crowns, and ten horns structure, especially with placing the AOD, that is what will have made Jerusalem the harlot, making her like the old pagan city of Jebus again before God cleansed and married her. That is why she says in Rev.18:7 that she sits as a queen, and is not a widow, meaning she is married to a king in that time (Antichrist).
 
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They are the same in Hebrews 8:6-13.

He fulfilled the New Covenant promised to Israel and Judah in Jeremiah 31:31-34, in His blood at Calvary.
(Matthew 26:28, Hebrews 10:16-18, Hebrews 12:22-24)

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"They" ? You should be saying that He - Jesus - is head of Church and the rightful King of Israel. The Christ is a reference to "the" messiah, which is reference to promised great King of Israel. He has salvation. But as the Christ - it refers to the promised great King of Israel.

Zechariah 9:9 Rejoice greatly, O daughter of Zion; shout, O daughter of Jerusalem: behold, thy King cometh unto thee: he is just, and having salvation; lowly, and riding upon an ass, and upon a colt the foal of an ass.

Jon 12:12 On the next day much people that were come to the feast, when they heard that Jesus was coming to Jerusalem, 13 Took branches of palm trees, and went forth to meet him, and cried, Hosanna: Blessed is the King of Israel that cometh in the name of the Lord.

The Jews were not looking for someone to call out peoples from all nations, tongues, peoples, because that is not was "the" messiah refers to.

John 4:25 The woman saith unto him, I know that Messias cometh, which is called Christ: when he is come, he will tell us all things.

Do you know what the Jews are looking for in the messiah, besides being the King of Israel, Son of David ?

They are looking for someone to teach them how to properly following Torah. Which to them Torah is
considered the instructions for life - that is, how to live according to God.

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The church are Jesus's called out ones - from every nation, tongues, peoples, into his Kingdom of God.

Not into the Kingdom of Israel. The church is not the Kingdom of Israel. Not spiritual Kingdom of Israel, not spiritual Jews - by virtue of being Christians.
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The Antichrist will be someone the Jews will embrace, thinking he is their promised great King of Israel that God would send to lead them and the world into the messianic age of peace and safety.
 
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"They" ? You should be saying that He - Jesus - is head of Church and the rightful King of Israel. The Christ is a reference to "the" messiah, which is reference to promised great King of Israel. He has salvation. But as the Christ - it refers to the promised great King of Israel.

Zechariah 9:9 Rejoice greatly, O daughter of Zion; shout, O daughter of Jerusalem: behold, thy King cometh unto thee: he is just, and having salvation; lowly, and riding upon an ass, and upon a colt the foal of an ass.

Jon 12:12 On the next day much people that were come to the feast, when they heard that Jesus was coming to Jerusalem, 13 Took branches of palm trees, and went forth to meet him, and cried, Hosanna: Blessed is the King of Israel that cometh in the name of the Lord.

The Jews were not looking for someone to call out peoples from all nations, tongues, peoples, because that is not was "the" messiah refers to.

John 4:25 The woman saith unto him, I know that Messias cometh, which is called Christ: when he is come, he will tell us all things.

Do you know what the Jews are looking for in the messiah, besides being the King of Israel, Son of David ?

They are looking for someone to teach them how to properly following Torah. Which to them Torah is
considered the instructions for life - that is, how to live according to God.

______________________________________________________________________________

The church are Jesus's called out ones - from every nation, tongues, peoples, into his Kingdom of God.

Not into the Kingdom of Israel. The church is not the Kingdom of Israel. Not spiritual Kingdom of Israel, not spiritual Jews - by virtue of being Christians.
______________________________________________________________________________

The Antichrist will be someone the Jews will embrace, thinking he is their promised great King of Israel that God would send to lead them and the world into the messianic age of peace and safety.

This is Israel:

Abraham lineage

DNA Tests Could Fulfill God’s Promise to Abraham by Revealing Millions of Jews. But How Jewish is Jewish Enough?

Israel in all of Us? Research finds 'Jewish genes' in unusual places

Genetically, the entire human race on planet earth. How does God distinguish and identify His Own Israel?

The same way He always, and only ever, has -- by their faith and obedience. AKA by their membership within His true Church.
 
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This is Israel:

Abraham lineage

DNA Tests Could Fulfill God’s Promise to Abraham by Revealing Millions of Jews. But How Jewish is Jewish Enough?

Israel in all of Us? Research finds 'Jewish genes' in unusual places

Genetically, the entire human race on planet earth. How does God distinguish and identify His Own Israel?

The same way He always, and only ever, has -- by their faith and obedience. AKA by their membership within His true Church.
God never choose Israel because of their faith and obedience. They complained about everything and worshipped false gods once they got into the promised land. And the first generation coming out of Egypt did not go into the promised because they didn't have faith that God would overcome the giants in the land. He choose them because they were descended from Jacob. Abraham is Jacob's grandfather.

A Jewish man could have children by a woman who was not a Jew - which those children would not be a Jew. It is only if the mother is Jew, that a person is a Jew. This goes back to the days coming out of the Babylonian captivity when Ezra and Nehemiah were shocked to find the caretaker Jews had married into other people, outside of the tribes of Israel, repeating the same thing that Solomon did that got them in so much trouble in worshiping idols. Shamed, the caretaker Jews sent their foreing wives and children they had by them away.

You can go to any Jewish site and they will tell you a person is a Jew if their mother is a Jew.
 
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God never choose Israel because of their faith and obedience. They complained about everything and worshipped false gods once they got into the promised land. And the first generation coming out of Egypt did not go into the promised because they didn't have faith that God would overcome the giants in the land. He choose them because they were descended from Jacob. Abraham is Jacob's grandfather.

You'll recall that God slew "purebred" Israelites by the thousands when they rebelled, disbelieved, and disobeyed. Those who refused to comply with His requirements under the Old Covenant were cut off. And at one point they were down to only 7,000 who had not "bowed the knee to Baal".

But even the nonethnic stranger who complied with God's requirements under the Old Covenant was accorded its full benefits.

God's Own Israel has only and ever been the people of faith and obedience. Also known as His Church.
 
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The church are Jesus's called out ones - from every nation, tongues, peoples, into his Kingdom of God.

Not into the Kingdom of Israel. The church is not the Kingdom of Israel. Not spiritual Kingdom of Israel, not spiritual Jews - by virtue of being Christians.

You are attempting to promote the Two Peoples of God doctrine from the branch of theology that you claim not to be a part of.

Your statement above is proven false by the fact that James addressed his letter to "the twelve tribes".

Either James was wrong, or you are wrong.


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Remember this?

Lev 21:9
9 And the daughter of any priest, if she profane herself by playing the harlot, she profaneth her father: she shall be burnt with fire.
KJV


That is part of the meaning of that Rev.17:16 expression, burn her with fire. It's because the "great city" will have played the harlot with the kings of the earth, which we were actually told that at the start of the chapter:

Rev 17:1-2
17:1 And there came one of the seven angels which had the seven vials, and talked with me, saying unto me, Come hither; I will shew unto thee the judgment of the great harlot that sitteth upon many waters:


2 With whom the kings of the earth have committed fornication, and the inhabitants of the earth have been made drunk with the wine of her fornication.
KJV


Jerusalem is God's place He chose to dwell forever. He married her per Ezekiel 16. So when Antichrist comes there and sets up the seven heads, ten crowns, and ten horns structure, especially with placing the AOD, that is what will have made Jerusalem the harlot, making her like the old pagan city of Jebus again before God cleansed and married her. That is why she says in Rev.18:7 that she sits as a queen, and is not a widow, meaning she is married to a king in that time (Antichrist).

Hi Davy,

So....the A/C makes the city the harlot and then the 10 kings (who join the A/C)burn it, make her desolate. Is that what you are saying?

And later the kings and merchants mourn because God destroys it?

Marilyn.
 
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No, I place the beginning of the 1335 days on day 1185. Day 1185 is 75 days before day 1260.

Therefore 75 days are in the first half and 1260 days are in the second half.
Yes, I understood what you stated above and its still incorrect. I will copy & paste it BELOW:

(YOUR QUOTE) RT, you have misinterpreted the 1335 days in Daniel 12 as to pertaining to when the two witnesses appear - instead of when the AOD is setup.

The great tribulation begins when the AOD is setup on day 1185 (YOUR QUOTE)

Now we can look and see Daniel ch. 12 disagrees with your thesis.

Dan. 12:6 And one said to the man clothed in linen, which was upon the waters of the river, How long shall it be to the end of these wonders?

7 And I heard the man clothed in linen, which was upon the waters of the river, when he held up his right hand and his left hand unto heaven, and sware by him that liveth for ever that it shall be for a time, times, and an half; and when he shall have accomplished to scatter the power of the holy people, all these things shall be finished.

11 And from the time that the daily sacrifice shall be taken away, and the abomination that maketh desolate set up (Both are ONE it says AND), there shall be a thousand two hundred and ninety days.

12 Blessed is he that waiteth, and cometh to the thousand three hundred and five and thirty days.

For starters, verse 7 is telling us how long it will be after holy people (Israel) are scattered, thus after they flee Judea, until the End of the Age. The Angel/Jesus says after Israel is scattered there will be 1260 days (time, times and half time) until the end of these wonders.

Then in verse 11 it says the Abomination of Desolation is set up on the 1290...ITS VERY CLEAR...

Yet you are saying the AOD is set up on the 1335 or 1185 days into the 2520 days, it makes no sense, the math doesn't add up. The AOD is SET-UP on the 1290, it tells you right there, YOU CAN'T CHANGE THE SCRIPTURES Brother !!

I have tried solving this riddle for you but you have blinders on to my reasoning's.

Clue #1 comes in verse 6, the question is mused/pondered, "How long until the end of these wonder?" Do you get what that means? That means the Angel/Jesus is about to tell you the answer to this riddle, that is why he brought it up !! Thus in verse 7 he tells us that after Israel flees Judea, (are scattered) there will be 1260 days left until the end. Well that adds up perfectly on the CLOCK we all know, Israel Flees in the Middle of the Week, and is protected for 1260 Days in Rev. 12, and elsewhere. So from the time Israel FLEE JUDEA there is 1260 days left. Please tell me how 1290 can come after the 1260? I want you to explain how the AOD comes 30 days after Israel FLEES JUDEA..............Point being you have the numbers confused. They have nothing to do with a future point in time from from the Middle of the week, they are about a set NUMBER OF DAYS from three different events, until the END of the AGE...........Jesus Returns.

Clue #2 1290 means 1290 days until the End of these Wonders or until Jesus Returns. Thus it happens on day 1230 into the 2520 days. Thus it happens 30 days before the Anti-Christ Conquers Jerusalem. If you can't figure out 1290 has to come before 1260 then you will not get it.

Clue #3 The 1335 has to be an event 1335 days from the End of these Wonders.

You have the whole concept of that passage backwards. If you ever slow down and realize that the 1290 can not come after the 1260 you might get it.
 
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For starters, verse 7 is telling us how long it will be after holy people (Israel) are scattered, thus after they flee Judea, until the End of the Age. The Angel/Jesus says after Israel is scattered there will be 1260 days (time, times and half time) until the end of these wonders.
sigh.... RT, you have to go back to verse 1, Daniel 12:1, when Michael stands up for Daniel's people. Satan accuses Daniel's people up to that point. Michael in Revelation 12:7-9 stands up and fights against Satan and his angels. Satan is cast down for the time, times, and a half times - in Revelation 12:14 and Daniel 12:7.

At the end of the time, times, and a half times, Jesus returns on Day 2520. It is not 1260 days, but a little less.


The 7 years are...

1260 days + 3 1.2 days + 42 months (containing the time, times, half times).

The two witnesses are killed on day 1260, after warring with the beast. In Revelation 13:4, the world says in reaction - who can make war on the beast? 42 months are left in the seven years, Revelation 13:5.

You have the two witnesses killed near the end of the 7 years, and the world exchanging presents at a time when the world is in a shambles, apocalypse conditions. Totally unrealistic.


Yet you are saying the AOD is set up on the 1335 or 1185 days into the 2520 days, it makes no sense, the math doesn't add up. The AOD is SET-UP on the 1290, it tells you right there, YOU CAN'T CHANGE THE SCRIPTURES Brother !!

RT, the problem is that you are not understanding that the 1290 days is measured from the day the AOD is setup. The verse, Daniel 12:11 doesn't say 1290 days to what, because it was not revealed to Daniel. It was not revealed until Jesus began removing the seals in Revelation.

The AOD is setup on day 1185, then 1290 days later, the sixth seal events will take place and the world will see Jesus before the throne of God. You tell me, where in Daniel 12 is it revealed that Jesus will appear before the throne of God, making all the wicked in the world in terror with fear of impending judgment on them?.

Jesus is not even mentioned in Daniel 12. We only can understand Daniel 12 from the end times prophecies in the New Testament. One of which is the world will see the sign of the Son of Man in heaven, which is the sixth seal event. That's what the 1290 days are tied to.
 
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You are attempting to promote the Two Peoples of God doctrine from the branch of theology that you claim not to be a part of.

Your statement above is proven false by the fact that James addressed his letter to "the twelve tribes".

Either James was wrong, or you are wrong.


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What? I am the human race vs Satan and his angels - lazer focus. There is only one way to be saved - and that is by believing upon the Lord Jesus Christ.
 
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Its really weird that I ran upon this by chance. Israel and the European Union entered into a treaties for Seven Years from 2007-2013 and then another treaties was signed in 2014 and runs through 2020. Those of course are seven year treaties/agreements/covenants. And to top that its with "MANY".


European Neighborhood Policy

The European Union's European Neighborhood Policy(ENP) aims at bringing the EU and its neighbors closer, to their mutual benefit and interest. It was launched in 2004 to help the EU support and foster stability, security and prosperity in its closest neighborhood.

The European Neighborhood Policy governs the EU's relations with 16 of the its closest Eastern and Southern Neighbors. To the South: Algeria, Egypt, Israel, Jordan, Lebanon, Libya, Morocco, Palestine*, Syria** and Tunisia, and to the East: Armenia, Azerbaijan, Belarus, Georgia, the Republic of Moldova and Ukraine. Russia takes part in Cross-Border Cooperation activities under the ENP, but is not part of the ENP as such.

Focus on stabilization

At the heart of the EU's neighborhood policy lies the stabilization of the region, in political, socio-economic and security-related terms. The EU is committed to supporting the economic development of its partner countries, and to improve the aspirations, hopes and prospects of the local population, while keeping a strong focus on good governance, democracy and the rule of law. This commitment translates into action through the implementation of sustainable regional and bilateral program's and projects on the ground.

“Our most important challenge today is to find ways for the young men and women in our region to see a meaningful future; a sense of belonging to a local and global community where they can offer and get rewards for their individual skills. We need to send them the message that we see the future of this region as one of cooperation and exchange” – Johannes Hahn, EU Commissioner for Neighborhood Policy and Enlargement Negotiations

For the period 2014-2020 (Seven Years), the European Neighborhood Policy has a budget of €15.4 billion.

View attachment 218856

The European Neighbourhood Instrument


From the ENPI to the ENI

Starting from 2014, the European Neighborhood Instrument (ENI) has replaced the European Neighborhood Partnership Instrument (ENPI 2006-2013). The ENI will run until 2020 providing the framework and bulk of funding for the relations between the European Union (EU) and Partner Countries under the renewed European Neighborhood Policy (ENP). Besides bilateral and multi-country program's, support will be granted through cross-border cooperation of which the new ENI CBC "Mediterranean Sea Basin" Program's is part.

EU and Neighbours: evolving relations

Cooperation, peace and security, mutual accountability and a shared commitment to the universal values of democracy, the rule of law and respect for human rights, are the founding principles of the special relationship between the EU and the Neighbourhood countries of the East and the South.

The aim of that partnership should be "to establish an area of prosperity and good neighbourliness, founded on the values of the Union and characterized by close and peaceful relations based on cooperation", according to the Treaty on European Union.

Since it was launched, in 2004, the European Neighbourhood Policy (ENP) has been strengthening relations, bringing tangible benefits to both the EU and its Neighbourhood partners, including the introduction of regional initiatives and support to democratization.

The European Neighbourhood Instrument

Relations and goals will be further advanced through the European Neighbourhood Instrument (ENI), which has replaced the European Neighbourhood and Partnership Instrument (ENPI), so that it reflects real needs and considerations that have emerged over the years. The Regulation setting up the ENI underlines that it should give support to the implementation of the political initiatives shaping the ENP, including the Eastern Partnership and the Union for the Mediterranean.

Giving incentives and rewarding best performers, as well as offering funds in a faster and more flexible manner, are the two main principles underlying the European Neighbourhood Instrument (ENI) worth over €15 billion from 2014-2020.

Based on the experiences gained until today, the ENI will support the European Neighbourhood Policy (ENP) and turn decisions taken on a political level into actions on the ground.

Effective from 2014 to 2020 the ENI seeks to streamline financial support, concentrating on agreed policy objectives, and make programming shorter and better focused, so that it is more effective.

The ENI will build on the achievements of the European Neighbourhood and Partnership Instrument (ENPI) and bring more tangible benefits to both the EU and its Neighbourhood partners. It has a budget of €15.433 billion and will provide the bulk of funding to the European Neighbourhood countries through a number of programmes.

The 16 ENI Partner Countries are:

ENI South - Algeria, Egypt, Israel, Jordan, Lebanon, Libya Morocco, Palestine, Syria*, Tunisia

ENI East - Armenia, Azerbaijan, Belarus, Georgia, Moldova, Ukraine

* EU Cooperation with Syria is currently suspended due to the political situation

Relations with Russia: Russia has a special status, as relations with this country are not developed through the ENP, but a strategic partnership covering four “common spaces”. Therefore it is only eligible for ENI regional and Cross-Border Cooperation programmes, for which it co-finances projects. Bilateral cooperation with Russia is funded under the new Partnership Instrument (PI).

The ENI - what’s new?

What makes this instrument more effective, is that, under the ENI, assistance to Neighbours will:

• Become faster and more flexible, reducing the complexity and length of the programming process so that the relevance of the assistance is not undermined;
• Offer incentives for best performers through the more-for-more approach that allows the EU to increase its support to those partners that are genuinely implementing what has been jointly agreed;
• Be increasingly policy-driven based on the key policy objectives agreed with the partners, mainly in the ENP bilateral action plans;
• Allow for greater differentiation so that the EU allocates a greater proportion of funds where aid can have the highest impact;
• Aim for mutual accountability so that it takes greater account of human rights, democracy and good governance when it comes to allocating assistance.

The ENI will also encourage closer links between the EU and partner countries to enable their citizens to participate in successful EU internal programmes, such as on student mobility, youth programmes or support to civil society. Special emphasis will be given to engagement with civil society.

This funding instrument, that responds to the evolving relations between the EU and its partner countries, will continue to ensure the success of the democratisation process and improve economic and social development in the EU’s immediate neighbourhood. Itwill support the reform process already undertaken by the partner countries themselves.

Six ENI targets

(1) Fostering human rights and fundamental freedoms, the rule of law, equality, sustainable democracy, good governance and a thriving civil society.

(2) Achieving progressive integration into the EU internal market and enhanced co-operation including through legislative approximation and regulatory convergence, institution building and investments.

(3) Creating conditions for well managed mobility of people and promotion of people-to-people contacts.

(4) Encouraging development, poverty reduction, internal economic, social and territorial cohesion, rural development, climate action and disaster resilience.

(5) Promoting confidence building and other measures contributing to security and the prevention and settlement of conflicts.

(6) Enhancing sub-regional, regional and Neighbourhood wide collaboration as well as Cross-Border Cooperation.

How support is given

Support through the ENI is programmed and given in three different ways:

• bilateral programmes covering support to one partner country;
• multi-country programmes which address challenges common to all or a number of partner countries, and regional and sub-regional cooperation between two or more partner countries;
Cross-Border Cooperation programmes between Member States and partner countries taking place along their shared part of the external border of the EU (including Russia). The ENI CBC "Mediterreanane Sea Basin" Programme is part of the cross-border cooperation component of the ENI.

Priority areas

Some of the ENI cooperation areas that will be given high priority are:

• Boosting small businesses
• Civil-society engagement
• Climate change action
• Easier mobility of people
• Energy cooperation
• Gender equality promotion
• Gradual economic integration
• People-to-people contacts
• Transport connections
• Youth and employment

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Israels first deal/treaties with the E.U. was 2007-2013, I went back a ways to find this:

EUROPEAN NEIGHBORHOOD AND PARTNERSHIP INSTRUMENT

ISRAEL
STRATEGY PAPER
2007-2013
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INDICATIVE PROGRAMME
2007-2010
Executive Summary


This Country Strategy Paper (CSP) for Israel covers the period 2007-2013 (Seven Years). Support to Israel over that period will be provided under the new European Neighbourhood and Partnership Instrument (ENPI) which is being established to provide assistance for the development of an area of prosperity and good neighborliness involving the European Union and the partner countries covered by the European Neighborhood Policy (ENP). Under this new instrument, specific assistance is provided to all partner countries that have concluded an Action Plan with the EU to support the implementation of the Action Plan.

Funding levels for Israel under the national ENPI envelope are currently estimated at €14 million for the period 2007-2013. Israel will also be eligible under the ENPI regional and cross-border cooperation program's. Given the scope of the allocation, the most suitable approach seems to be to concentrate on support activities for the implementation of the Action Plan priorities, mainly in the form of institutional cooperation.

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So we have the framework already in place for the future Seven Year Treaties, Agreement/Covenant and its with "MANY" just as Daniel 9:27 and Daniel 8:25 says it will be. And its between the E.U. (10 Kings out of the Fourth Beast) and Israel.

This makes so much sense also, who thinks the Rapture would happen, then negotiations would start on a "Treaties" at that moment? Those kind of deals take years to be worked out, thus its an ongoing series of Treaties so to speak, and when the Rapture happens it seemingly just gets renewed for Seven Years.

We live in fascinating times my friends.
This is all nonsense, simply because the Bible shows us the trumpet judgments begin in the first half of the week, and we all know they have not come yet. Further, the bible shows us that the rapture of the church will come before any of the 70th week. Since we are still here, NONE Of the 70th week has come. It is all still future.
 
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sigh.... RT, you have to go back to verse 1, Daniel 12:1, when Michael stands up for Daniel's people. Satan accuses Daniel's people up to that point. Michael in Revelation 12:7-9 stands up and fights against Satan and his angels. Satan is cast down for the time, times, and a half times - in Revelation 12:14 and Daniel 12:7.

At the end of the time, times, and a half times, Jesus returns on Day 2520. It is not 1260 days, but a little less.


The 7 years are...

1260 days + 3 1.2 days + 42 months (containing the time, times, half times).

The two witnesses are killed on day 1260, after warring with the beast. In Revelation 13:4, the world says in reaction - who can make war on the beast? 42 months are left in the seven years, Revelation 13:5.

You have the two witnesses killed near the end of the 7 years, and the world exchanging presents at a time when the world is in a shambles, apocalypse conditions. Totally unrealistic.
I have to disagree with most of this because it simply does not follow scripture.

In 12:1 Daniel wrote, "at that time shall Michael stand up, the great prince which standeth for the children of thy people: and there shall be a time of trouble, such as never was since there was a nation even to that same time"

Then in 12:6 an angel cried out, "How long shall it be to the end of these wonders?" What "wonders?" The wonders of a time of trouble such as never was before. And the answer to that question comes in the next verse: "that it shall be for a time, times, and an half; and when he shall have accomplished to scatter the power of the holy people, all these things shall be finished."

So the answer is, the very same answer John gives us in Revelation: the last half of the week will be 3 1/2 years, or 42 months or 1260 days.

Satan is cast down right at the midpoint where John shows us, and will remain "cast down" forever more. He will never again be allowed access to the heavenly realms. And after the 3 1/2 years, he will be bound.

Next, Jesus does NOT return on the last day of the 70th week! The week ends at the 7th vial, but Jesus remains in heaven for perhaps another 30 days, for the marriage and supper. The days of GT will be shortened, but the 1260 days, the 42 months and the 3 1/2 years will be exactly as God has said. The meaning is, God will render the armies of the Beast useless some time late in the last half of the week, by the vials of His wrath. But the time will continue on, just they will not be doing any more beheadings.

The 7 years are 1260 plus 1260! There is no added 3 1/2 days! You have missed what John has written. The two witnesses will begin their testimony just 3 1/2 days before the exact midpoint. I know you don't believe it, but it is truth.

They are killed on day 1260, which will be just 3 1/2 days before the end of the week. You think people will be so destroyed then cannot rejoice. You are mistaken. Some of the world will survive for the sheep and goat judgment. Make no mistake! They will lay dead for those 3 1/2 days which will take time to the end of the 70th week, and they will be raised with all the Old Testament saints at the 7th vial.

The world WILL not be in shambles until the 7th vial that levels the world!
 
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So the answer is, the very same answer John gives us in Revelation: the last half of the week will be 3 1/2 years, or 42 months or 1260 days.
The second half of the 7 years is the time, times, half times. It's just that the time, times, half times is not the EXACT equivalent to the 42 months; which the 42 months is not the EXACT equivalent of the 1260 days.

The worst time for the Jewish people will be when Satan is cast down, having great wrath knowing that he has but a little time left - the time, times, half times. Woe to the inhabiters of the earth.

The great tribulation will begin on day 1185, and a little bit passed the exact midpoint, Satan will be cast down and the worst part of the great tribulation will be begin.
The 7 years are 1260 plus 1260! There is no added 3 1/2 days! You have missed what John has written. The two witnesses will begin their testimony just 3 1/2 days before the exact midpoint. I know you don't believe it, but it is truth.

lamad, you have reasoned wrongly that the two witnesses are killed on day 2516.5, and come back to life on day 2520 the last day of the 7 years - at which time the world will celebrate by exchanging presents - then? That makes zero sense.

The world WILL not be in shambles until the 7th vial that levels the world!
The first of the vials is against them who have taken the mark and who have worshiped the image. So the AOD will have been setup before the first vial is poured out. The AOD is what triggers the great tribulation.

So the great tribulation will be in full swing by the time the first vial takes place - which means by the 7th vial, the world will be in shambles, including the kings of the East marching according the Euphrates, killing a third of mankind along the way.

And you have the world exchanging presents at that time?
 
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The second half of the 7 years is the time, times, half times. It's just that the time, times, half times is not the EXACT equivalent to the 42 months; which the 42 months is not the EXACT equivalent of the 1260 days.

The worst time for the Jewish people will be when Satan is cast down, having great wrath knowing that he has but a little time left - the time, times, half times. Woe to the inhabiters of the earth.

The great tribulation will begin on day 1185, and a little bit passed the exact midpoint, Satan will be cast down and the worst part of the great tribulation will be begin.


lamad, you have reasoned wrongly that the two witnesses are killed on day 2516.5, and come back to life on day 2520 the last day of the 7 years - at which time the world will celebrate by exchanging presents - then? That makes zero sense.


The first of the vials is against them who have taken the mark and who have worshiped the image. So the AOD will have been setup before the first vial is poured out. The AOD is what triggers the great tribulation.

So the great tribulation will be in full swing by the time the first vial takes place - which means by the 7th vial, the world will be in shambles, including the kings of the East marching according the Euphrates, killing a third of mankind along the way.

And you have the world exchanging presents at that time?
John did not tell us these times will not be exact. Only you said that. If the text says 1260 days, we can take that to the bank: it is going to be 1260 days. If the text says 42 months, could that be 1259 days? Or 1261 days? I will let the readers decide. Perhaps the 3 1/2 years could be a few days off? Again I will let the readers decide. I am convinced that the 1260 days will be accurate to the very day.

I agree, Satan is cast down at the midpoint, and the next 3 1/2 years will be very tough years for earth.

"The great tribulation will begin on day 1185, and a little bit passed the exact midpoint"

This is, of course, MYTH, being human reasoning and not backed up by scripture. If you would only read, you would see that the beheaded people begin to show up only in chapter 15! How long is that AFTER the midpoint? No one knows. Notice that the image will not be created until AFTER the False Prophet shows up, and we don't know how long after the midpoint that will be. By the way, for the readers, the exact midpoint will be 1260 days from the beginning. That is cut and dried, cased in concrete, so to speak. The abomination that stops the daily sacrifices will divide the week into two exact equal halves. The 1185 number is myth. Perhaps pulled out of a hat. At best it is only human reasoning.

"lamad, you have reasoned wrongly that the two witnesses are killed on day 2516.5"

Sorry, I did not say that: JOHN wrote it. It may not make sense to you, because you are not thinking like the Holy Spirit. It is the written word with simply arithmetic. You don't understand what John is telling us in chapter 11. The man of sin will arrive in Jerusalem (He MUST be there to enter the temple) with his Gentile armies, and therefore the city will be trampled for 42 months. The two witnesses show up because he showed up. And John shows us that they show up just 3 1/2 days before the midpoint. That is the TIMING of Rev. 11:1-4.

The two witnesses will be OLD TESTAMENT saints. Why not have them raise up with all the other Old Testament saints?

The world will not be as destroyed at this time as you imagine. It will be before the 7th vial that shakes all the cities down. Most people will blame the two witnesses for all their problems. They will be delighted when they see them dead. You see, I did not "reason" at all. I take john for exactly what he wrote.

All these times, the 1260 days, the 42 months, and the 3 1/2 years, all will begin right around the midpoint and all will end at or near the 7th vial that ends the week. But John saw the two witnesses show up in 11:4, while the midpoint is 11:15. In other words, they show up just BEFORE the midpoint. How much before? John tells us that too. But we have to believe what he wrote. It does not tell us in words, but they show up exactly in time where John wrote them.
 
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Hi Davy,

So....the A/C makes the city the harlot and then the 10 kings (who join the A/C)burn it, make her desolate. Is that what you are saying?

And later the kings and merchants mourn because God destroys it?

Marilyn.

Still not really what I'm saying. Like I said before, the ten kings burning her and making her desolate and naked is an expression relating to the future spiritual desolation of Jerusalem. It's as simple as that.
 
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John did not tell us these times will not be exact.
First of all you are not listening to what I wrote. The time expressions (1) time, a times, and a half times (2) the 42 months (3) the 1260 days are not exact equivalents of each other.

I agree, Satan is cast down at the midpoint, and the next 3 1/2 years will be very tough years for earth.
It is not at the mid POINT , but a short time after the mid POINT. What you need to do lamad is refer to the time, times, half times as NOMINALLY 3 1/2 years. Nominally, means that is about 3 1/2 years.

Do you know what the size of a 2x4 piece of lumber is? If you took a ruler and measured it. It 1 1/2 inches x 3 1/2 inches. It is not 2 inches x 4 inches. It's called a 2x4 but it really not a 2x4.

If you tried to build something using 2 inches x 4 inches as the dimensions, nothing would fit - because it actually not 2 inches x 4 inches.

Which, in similitude if you try to interchange the 42 months and the time, times, half times in bible prophecy with exactly 1260 days - it won't fit properly either.

"lamad, you have reasoned wrongly that the two witnesses are killed on day 2516.5"

Sorry, I did not say that: JOHN wrote it. It may not make sense to you, because you are not thinking like the Holy Spirit. It is the written word with simply arithmetic
lamad, you are out of line with that sort of comment.

You write - "And John shows us that they show up just 3 1/2 days before the midpoint. That is the TIMING of Rev. 11:1-4."

The simple arithmetic is 3 1/2 days before the midpoint is day 1256.5. Adding 1260 days of the two witnesses testimony time to day 1256.5 when they begin - is day 2516.5 that the two witnesses will be killed, based on your statement.

This is, of course, MYTH, being human reasoning and not backed up by scripture. If you would only read, you would see that the beheaded people begin to show up only in chapter 15! How long is that AFTER the midpoint? No one knows.
lamad, chapter 15 does not state when the AOD is set up. It does not inform when on a time line the AOD is setup. Of course people will not be beheaded for not worshiping the image until after the AOD is setup. What you should be saying is - How long is that AFTER day 1185? No one knows.

But John saw the two witnesses show up in 11:4, while the midpoint is 11:15. In other words, they show up just BEFORE the midpoint. How much before? John tells us that too. But we have to believe what he wrote. It does not tell us in words, but they show up exactly in time where John wrote them.
The two witnesses begin their testimony on the day the 7 years begin, day 1 on the timeline. The celebration of their deaths will be between day 1260 when they are killed to day 1263.5 when they rise.

The exchanging of presents will be during that time - not when the world is on the verge of no flesh surviving like at the end of the 7years - as you have it.

Matthew 24:22 And except those days should be shortened, there should no flesh be saved: but for the elect's sake those days shall be shortened.
 
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This is all nonsense, simply because the Bible shows us the trumpet judgments begin in the first half of the week, and we all know they have not come yet. Further, the bible shows us that the rapture of the church will come before any of the 70th week. Since we are still here, NONE Of the 70th week has come. It is all still future.
No, you just seemingly do not understand the book of Revelation nor its timing(s).
 
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sigh.... RT, you have to go back to verse 1, Daniel 12:1, when Michael stands up for Daniel's people. Satan accuses Daniel's people up to that point. Michael in Revelation 12:7-9 stands up and fights against Satan and his angels. Satan is cast down for the time, times, and a half times - in Revelation 12:14 and Daniel 12:7.

At the end of the time, times, and a half times, Jesus returns on Day 2520. It is not 1260 days, but a little less.
The 3 1/2 days is warping your logistics brother for ZERO REASON, it has nothing to do with anything per se in this Prophecy here, nowhere is 3 1/2 days mentioned in Daniel ch. 12 nor is the Two-Witnesses mentioned. The Two-Witnesses die at the 2nd Woe, not almost 1260 days (minus your 3.5 days) from the End or Jesus' return, that is absurd math brother. Did you make F's in Math? :D

Michael stands up to protect Israel (Deliver them) at the Midway Point, time, times and half a time (1260 days). At the same time basically, Satan and his Demons are cast out of Heaven. But the Two-witnesses DO NOT DIE at this time. They show up just before the Day of the Lord and DIE at the 2nd Woe. Anyone that thinks there is a long period of time between the 2nd Woe and the 7th Vial is off and anyone who thinks the 2nd Woe and the 7th Vial end at the same time is WAY OFF ALSO.

The 7 years are...

1260 days + 3 1.2 days + 42 months (containing the time, times, half times).

The two witnesses are killed on day 1260, after warring with the beast. In Revelation 13:4, the world says in reaction - who can make war on the beast? 42 months are left in the seven years, Revelation 13:5.

You have the two witnesses killed near the end of the 7 years, and the world exchanging presents at a time when the world is in a shambles, apocalypse conditions. Totally unrealistic.
No they aren't, you have the TWO-WITNESSES elsewhere as lasting to the end, now you are saying they are killed on day 1260, you are all over the place, needlessly.

So they are killed on 1260 AND near the end of the Seven Years.(?) This statement makes no sense and is Mathematically impossible !!

1......................................1335...........1290.....1260..................................................2520

1......................................1335 the Two witnesses show up to turn Israel back to God.

1............................................1290 Daily taken away, the AOD is Set-up.

1................................(SCATTERED...1260) is the Midway Point, Israel FLEES JUDEA at this time.

Remember verse 6 in Dan. ch. 12, it says when the Holy people are SCATTERED or Flee Judea, from that time on there will be a time, times and half a time until the Wonders Cease or 1260 Days until Jesus Returns.

So the 1335 means that the event being spoken of is 1335 days until the END of the Wonders.

The 1290 means there are 1290 days until the END of the Wonders/Jesus Returns.

The 1260 means there will be 1260 days until the END of these Wonders/Jesus Returns.

They don't war with the Beast, the Demon from the Bottomless pit kills them. He is called the 8th King and a Beast/Showing power over Israel via the SEVEN OTHER BEASTS, but he is not the Little Horn, or lets just say the Little Horn/Anti-Christ DOES NOT KILL THE BEAST !! A Demon named Apollyon does.

RT, the problem is that you are not understanding that the 1290 days is measured from the day the AOD is setup. The verse, Daniel 12:11 doesn't say 1290 days to what, because it was not revealed to Daniel. It was not revealed until Jesus began removing the seals in Revelation.

The AOD is setup on day 1185, then 1290 days later, the sixth seal events will take place and the world will see Jesus before the throne of God. You tell me, where in Daniel 12 is it revealed that Jesus will appear before the throne of God, making all the wicked in the world in terror with fear of impending judgment on them?.

Jesus is not even mentioned in Daniel 12. We only can understand Daniel 12 from the end times prophecies in the New Testament. One of which is the world will see the sign of the Son of Man in heaven, which is the sixth seal event. That's what the 1290 days are tied to.

My timeline above shows how its all set up. Jesus is the Man on the Water more than likely brother. It could be an Angel, but hes called the Man in linen.
 
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Still not really what I'm saying. Like I said before, the ten kings burning her and making her desolate and naked is an expression relating to the future spiritual desolation of Jerusalem. It's as simple as that.

Ok Davy,

However as Jerusalem is still there when the Lord returns sounds like it is not the `city` of Babylon.

Marilyn.
 
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The 3 1/2 days is warping your logistics brother for ZERO REASON, it has nothing to do with anything per se in this Prophecy here nowhere is 3 1/2 days mentioned in Daniel 12 nor he Two-Witnesses. The Two-Witnesses die at the 2nd Woe, not almost 1260 days (minus your 3.5 days) from the End or Jesus' return, that is absurd math brother. Did you make F's in Math? :D
RT, I have a degree in civil engineering. In my career position (now retired), part of my job as a project engineer was to take complicated and numerous tasks and events, everything from environmental impact statements, to long lead time material items procurement, coordination of different engineering disciplines, engineering field work, procurement times, construction times, to beneficial occupancy, to capitalization and incorporate those on a project schedule - a timeline.

The process is similar to putting the bible prophecy events on a timeline.

The second woe in Revelation 11:14 has nothing to do with the two witnesses as being part of the second woe event. The two witnesses have nothing to do with being part of the second woe event.

It is not clear as it could have been if had there had been a chapter break after Revelation 11:13. Although John hears the seventh trump sound after being told by the angel about the two witnesses ascending and the earthquake killing 7000.

John is TOLD by the angel about the two witnesses. Then after the angel has finished telling John about the two witnesses - John hears the seventh trumpet sound and is (1) either told or (2) recounts himself that the second woe is past (going back to the sixth trumpet) and the third woe comes quickly - as he appears to be relating to his audience, us the readers, what he sees in Revelation 12.

The second woe past is a reference back to the sixth angel sounding back in Revelation 9, and a third of mankind killed -that is the second woe presented to John.

What John saw at the beginning of Chapter 10 was a break from the trumpets, to eat the little book. After eating the little book, John was told the vision of the two witnesses ending in Revelation 11:13.

Revelation 11:14 goes back to the trumpets. The last three trumpets reveal the three woes. The seventh trumpet is the remaining trumpet and contains the third woe which is revealed in Revelation 12 of Satan being cast down to earth, having great anger.

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What I had wrote regarding the account of the two witnesses in Revelation 11, is that they will die on day 1260 of the 2520 day 7 year timeline. And ascend on day 1263.5, leaving 1256.5 days in the 2520 days, which the bible refers to as 42 months.
 
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