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#Yes he does, but I wouldn't expect you to see it because from all your other posts I can see you do not understand prophecy or are not called to understanding prophecy, not everybody is. You can call a chicken a cat, but that don't make it a cat.
I wont get into semantics, but you were telling me that the 2nd Woe and the 3rd Woe was all basically the same time frame. Now allow me to show you the 1260th Day in REAL TIME.No, I have not. The two witnesses will be killed on day 1260. The 7th vial takes place at the very end of the 7 years.
You getting what iamlamad is saying confused as being me saying those things.
The Day of the Lord starts that timeline. The Two-Witnesses show up LIKE SCRIPTURES SAY (Malachi 4:5-5) BEFORE the Great and Dreadful Day of the Lord. Thus the 1260 mark is the Day of the Lord, he opens the FIRST SEAL (Lambs/Gods Wrath) and everything springs forth from there.What you are not getting is that there has to be a day on the timeline that causes terror to the wicked men of the earth that Jesus is about to execute Judgement on them.
Otherwise they would not gather their armies as Armageddon to make war on Jesus.
The 1290 days from the day when the AOD is setup, day 1185, is the day, day 2475 on the timeline, that Jesus appears in heaven, drawing this reaction....
15 And the kings of the earth, and the great men, and the rich men, and the chief captains, and the mighty men, and every bondman, and every free man, hid themselves in the dens and in the rocks of the mountains; 16 And said to the mountains and rocks, Fall on us, and hide us from the face of him that sitteth on the throne, and from the wrath of the Lamb: 17 For the great day of his wrath is come; and who shall be able to stand?
A woe is not a timeframe. A woe is something bad that happens.I wont get into semantics, but you were telling me that the 2nd Woe and the 3rd Woe was all basically the same time frame.
It does no such thing brother. This whole chapter is about the Woman FLEEING. The first 6 verses is just setting up a code for us to understand the passage. It shows the LAST HALF of the 70th Week thus it mentions 1260 days.What Revelation 12 shows is that there are 1260 days before the war in heaven. And a time, times, half times after the war in heaven.
The time, times, half times in Daniel 12:7 matches the time, times, half times in Revelation 12 following the war in heaven.
No, your math doesn't add up. Which made me wonder if you made F's in math.You guys spend so much time arguing with me because it flies right by you at Mach 2 that (1) the timeframes are expressed differently for a reason, and that (2) the like timeframe expressions go together.
The 42 months in Revelation 11:2 and Revelation 13:5 go together.
SAME HERE..........Neither is a REAL TIME EVENT.The 42 months in Revelation 11:2 and Revelation 13:5 go together.
Well yea, but you still get the TIME-LINE all wrong.
42 Months is 1260 days.........as is a time, times, and half time as is the Middle of the Week.That's how you can start to piece together the events on a timeline. The worse thing a person can do is start equating the different time expressions as exact equivalents of each other, such as equating the 42 months as being the 1260 days.
I can see what you believe, its the same stuff I discounted 30 years ago. And you got it from OTHER MEN, not God.#
I don't think most of you have any understanding of prophecy. You disagree with all the church from the reformation till about 1825. You disagree with the pre-reformers like the Hussites and Valensians and also the early church writers.
Everything is a TIME-FRAME, we live on earth where the space time continuum exists. Every Judgment is IN ORDER Brother.A woe is not a timeframe. A woe is something bad that happens.
It shows the LAST HALF of the 70th Week thus it mentions 1260 days.
My mistake: it was an angel asking for Daniel. Daniel heard it.Yes he does, but I wouldn't expect you to see it because from all your other posts I can see you do not understand prophecy or are not called to understanding prophecy, not everybody is. You can call a chicken a cat, but that don't make it a cat.
No he doesn't, its the Angel or Jesus offering up that nugget in verse 6.
Dan. 12:6 And one said to the man clothed in linen (Not Daniel), which was upon the waters of the river, How long shall it be to the end of these wonders?
7 And I heard the man clothed in linen, which was upon the waters of the river, when he held up his right hand and his left hand unto heaven, and sware by him that liveth for ever that it shall be for a time, times, and an half; and when he shall have accomplished to scatter the power of the holy people, all these things shall be finished.
If you can't understand the KJV you might to to switch to the ESV:
Dan. 12:5 Then I, Daniel, looked, and behold, two others stood, one on this bank of the stream and one on that bank of the stream. 6 And someone said to the man clothed in linen, who was above the waters of the stream, “How long shall it be till the end of these wonders?”
7 And I heard the man clothed in linen, who was above the waters of the stream; he raised his right hand and his left hand toward heaven and swore by him who lives forever that it would be for a time, times, and half a time (1260 Days), and that when the shattering of the power of the holy people comes to an end all these things would be finished.
If you can't get the writing of the KJV, like many seemingly can't, you need to switch to another version, this is CLEARLY saying that there will be 1260 days after the holy people are scattered or Israel FLEES JUDEA until all these things are finished.
Hasn't it hit you yet that hes says for a time, times and half time and then John tells us in Revelation chapter 12 that the Woman is protected for a time, times and half a time.
Rev. 12:14 And to the woman were given two wings of a great eagle(God gonna protect her), that she might fly into the wilderness, into her place, where she is nourished for a time, and times, and half a time (1260 Days), from the face of the serpent.
The Anti-Christ comes forth in the Middle of the Week, at the 1260 day mark and Conquers Jerusalem, thus hes the Beast for 42 Months or 1260 Days, thus the Woman Israel is protected in the Wilderness for a time, times and half time of 1260 days. Its tells you when these Wonders will be up right there in a multi-faceted way.
Again, ANYONE with common sense understand the 1290 can't come after the 1260. Its IMPOSSIBLE.
Except 1290 can not be the Midway point of 2520 days now can it? That is my point, it can not be on the other side of the MIDWAY POINT which is 1260 days else the holy people/Israel would have fled before the AOD was set up. And that can not be. I use simple logic, you guys seems to try to create a big picture first.
That is no in the bible, that's just coming from you right?
The Bible in verse 6 says the Holy People are scattered for 1260 days, but it says the Abomination is set up 30 days before they are scattered at 1290. It has to be before because if 1290 is AFTER the 1260 how could the Abomination of Desolation make them FLEE when they have already FLED? Its simple logic. We know Israel is protected for 1260 days, so how are they going to FLEE before the Abomination is set up, which tells us the 1290 is before the 1260.
And there is no SACRIFICE Mentioned in the Hebrew text, its the DAILY...There is no mention of the word Sacrifice, it was added by the English translators. So its the Daily Oblation/Tribute to Jesus or God that is taken away because God sends Elijah back BEFORE the Great and Dreadful Day of the Lord to turn Israel back to God. (Malachi 4:5-6)
That is not what it says at all.
Dan. 12:8 I heard, but I did not understand. Then I said, “O my lord, what shall be the outcome of these things?” 9 He said, “Go your way, Daniel, for the words are shut up and sealed until the time of the end. 10 Many shall purify themselves and make themselves white and be refined, but the wicked shall act wickedly. And none of the wicked shall understand, but those who are wise shall understand.
11 And from the time that the regular burnt offering (DAILY is all the Hebrew Says) is taken away and the abomination that makes desolate is set up, there shall be 1,290 days. 12 Blessed is he who waits and arrives at the 1,335 days. 13 But go your way till the end. And you shall rest and shall stand in your allotted place at the end of the days.”
From the time the DAILY (OBLATION) is taken away, AND the Abomination of Desolation is set up (these two are CONJOINED)........There SHALL BE 1290 Days !!
Its pretty obvious I am right here when you look at the ESV instead of the KJV which you guys have a trouble seeing as it is of course wrote in an OLD FASHIONED WEIRD WAY !!
When you understand that each number of Days is a set number of days from an EVENT until the Second Coming or the END OF THESE WONDERS, it might come to you.
The 1335 has to be before the 1290 because the 1290 has to be before the 1260.
As per how I get the Oblation........look at Daniel 9:21.
Dan. 9:21 Yea, whiles I was speaking in prayer, even the man Gabriel, whom I had seen in the vision at the beginning, being caused to fly swiftly, touched me about the time of the evening oblation.
There is an EVENING and a MORNING Oblation. ts a TRIBUTE unto God, the 23000 is not 2300 DAYS but 2300 EVENINGS & MORNINGS Meaning 1150 Days.
It doesn't have to be a Sacrifice of an Animal.
This is how you have been confused. Go together? In a way, they do, but they are about different events that cover the same period of time.What Revelation 12 shows is that there are 1260 days before the war in heaven. And a time, times, half times after the war in heaven.
The time, times, half times in Daniel 12:7 matches the time, times, half times in Revelation 12 following the war in heaven.
You guys spend so much time arguing with me because it flies right by you at Mach 2 that (1) the timeframes are expressed differently for a reason, and that (2) the like timeframe expressions go together.
The 1260 days in Revelation 11:3 and 12:6 go together.
The 42 months in Revelation 11:2 and Revelation 13:5 go together.
The time, times, half times in Daniel 7:25, Daniel 12:7 and Revelation 12:14 go together
That's how you can start to piece together the events on a timeline. The worse thing a person can do is start equating the different time expressions as exact equivalents of each other, such as equating the 42 months as being the 1260 days.
When anyone mixes chapter 6 events with later events, making believe they are the same, we know that confusion reigns.What you are not getting is that there has to be a day on the timeline that causes terror to the wicked men of the earth that Jesus is about to execute Judgement on them.
Otherwise they would not gather their armies as Armageddon to make war on Jesus.
19 And I saw the beast, and the kings of the earth, and their armies, gathered together to make war against him that sat on the horse, and against his army.
The 1290 days from the day when the AOD is setup, day 1185, is the day, day 2475 on the timeline, that Jesus appears in heaven, drawing this reaction....
15 And the kings of the earth, and the great men, and the rich men, and the chief captains, and the mighty men, and every bondman, and every free man, hid themselves in the dens and in the rocks of the mountains; 16 And said to the mountains and rocks, Fall on us, and hide us from the face of him that sitteth on the throne, and from the wrath of the Lamb: 17 For the great day of his wrath is come; and who shall be able to stand?
Sounds much like what LDS, JW, and other cults declare; sole possession of truth, and repudiation of prophetic history, and those OTHER MEN within it whose faith and sacrifice purchased the spiritual liberties used to disparage them today.I can see what you believe, its the same stuff I discounted 30 years ago. And you got it from OTHER MEN, not God.
Let me reverse it then, you are close......My mistake: it was an angel asking for Daniel. Daniel heard it.
And you are still missing the intent of the author. You are close.
OF COURSE it will be 1260 days from the abomination to the end. John has told us this three different ways. The woman begins to flee at the midpoint, and she will be protected for the 3 1/2 years. But whether John tells us 1260 days, or 42 months, of gives it in years, IT IS THE SAME LAST HALF OF THE WEEK.
But the 1290 is just another 30 days ADDED to the 1260. If you read in Revelation you see that Jesus does not come in chapter 16 at the 7th vial that ends the week. No, He comes LATER as shown in chapter 19. I suspect it will be 30 days later.
And you don't understand the 1335 either! It is SO SIMPLE: just add another 45 days to the 1290 days. This means 75 days added AFTER the end of the week. I guess you just don't understand, the 1260 days is the FIRST PART of the 1290. IT is simple arithmetic: the 1260 days count will end before the 1290 day count by 30 days.
Sounds much like what LDS, JW, and other cults declare; sole possession of truth, and repudiation of prophetic history, and those OTHER MEN within it whose faith and sacrifice purchased the spiritual liberties used to disparage them today.
It's time for another Reformation.
Hi Davy,
I don`t see where God says Babylon = Jerusalem. I see Sodom and Egypt = Jerusalem.
Maybe you don`t realise but the US and the UN are rebuilding Babylon. You can see it on utube. The world is waiting for the fighting to subside and then there will be a tourist rush to see the oldest civilization in the world. A great money making venture. You will see it rise and become very popular.
regards, Marilyn.
When anyone mixes chapter 6 events with later events, making believe they are the same, we know that confusion reigns.
By the time the midpoint of the week arrives, the events of the 6th seal will be over and done with by 3.5 years. Believe it for it is truth.
You expect us to believe that a moon that does not give her light, can be seen as blood red! Its balderdash!Mat 24:29 Immediately after the tribulation of those days shall the sun be darkened, and the moon shall not give her light, and the stars shall fall from heaven, and the powers of the heavens shall be shaken:
Mat 24:30 And then shall appear the sign of the Son of man in heaven: and then shall all the tribes of the earth mourn, and they shall see the Son of man coming in the clouds of heaven with power and great glory.
Mat 24:31 And he shall send his angels with a great sound of a trumpet, and they shall gather together his elect from the four winds, from one end of heaven to the other.
Rev 6:12 And I beheld when he had opened the sixth seal, and, lo, there was a great earthquake; and the sun became black as sackcloth of hair, and the moon became as blood; (The moon does not give its normal bright light during a blood moon.)
Rev 6:13 And the stars of heaven fell unto the earth, even as a fig tree casteth her untimely figs, when she is shaken of a mighty wind.
Rev 6:14 And the heaven departed as a scroll when it is rolled together; and every mountain and island were moved out of their places.
Rev 6:15 And the kings of the earth, and the great men, and the rich men, and the chief captains, and the mighty men, and every bondman, and every free man, hid themselves in the dens and in the rocks of the mountains;
Rev 6:16 And said to the mountains and rocks, Fall on us, and hide us from the face of him that sitteth on the throne, and from the wrath of the Lamb:
Rev 6:17 For the great day of his wrath is come; and who shall be able to stand?
They would not be hiding from the Lamb at the end of chapter 6, unless the Lamb is present at this point in time. We also find some of the same characters in chapter 19. (mighty men, captains, free, and bond)
We have a four point match between the description in the Olivet Discourse and Revelation chapter 6. This rules out mere coincidence.
The Book of Revelation is not in chronological order, because we have Christ returning in Revelation 16:15-16 and also in chapter 19.
Nobody can honestly deny this fact.
Instead, it is a series of overlapping visions.
The confusion is produced by those who attempt to force the book into a perfect chronology.
The confusion also comes from those who attempt to ignore the New Covenant promised to Israel and Judah in Jeremiah 31:31-34, which is found fulfilled by Christ during the first century in Hebrews 8:6-13, and is specifically applied to the Church in Hebrews 12:22-24, and 2 Corinthians 3:6-8.
An understanding of the New Covenant of Christ destroys the Two Peoples of God doctrine, and its pretrib removal of the Church.
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How much of the gospel was known and understood by laymen in the days of Martin Luther?True. It would be useful if they knew the history of apocalyptic interpretation and who started the Jesuit futurist teaching.
Although futurists general deny Jesuit input, Dispesantionalist Clarence Larkin in his book, Dispensational Truth said
"The "Futurist School" interprets the language of the Apocalypse "literally, " except such symbols as are named as such, and holds that the whole of the Book, from the end of the third chapter, is yet "future" and unfulfilled, and that the greater part of the Book, from the beginning of chapter six to the end of chapter nineteen, describes what shall come to pass during the last week of "Daniel's Seventy Weeks." This view, while it dates in modern times only from the close of the Sixteenth Century, is really the most ancient of the three. It was held in many of its prominent features by the primitive Fathers of the Church, and is one of the early interpretations of scripture truth that sunk into oblivion with the growth of Papacy, and that has been restored to the Church in these last times. In its present form it may be said to have originated at the end of the Sixteenth Century, with the Jesuit Ribera, who, actuated by the same motive as the Jesuit Alcazar, sought to rid the Papacy of the stigma of being called the "Antichrist, " and so referred the prophecies of the Apocalypse to the distant future. This view was accepted by the Roman Catholic Church and was for a long time confined to it, but, strange to say, it has wonderfully revived since the beginning of the Nineteenth Century, and that among Protestants. It is the most largely accepted of the three views., It has been charged with ignoring the Papal and Mohammedan systems, but this is far from the truth, for it looks upon them as foreshadowed in the scriptures, and sees in them the "Type" of those great "Anti-Types" yet future, the "-Beast" and the "False Prophet." The "Futurist" interpretation of scripture is the one employed in this book."
The great error of Larkin in his outline of history, is that the early church taught no such thing. They taught that the let and hindrance in 2 Thess 2 was the Emperor and the Empire and also that the Temple in Revelation referred to the church and the 144,000 were christian martyrs. All directly opposed to futurism, but in line with historicism.
Why don't you try looking up the definition of "woe" on the internet and see if it says "timeframe".Everything is a TIME-FRAME, we live on earth where the space time continuum exists. Every Judgment is IN ORDER Brother.
BAB2, I tried looking up Dr. Kelly Varner on the internet to see if I could find any of his view on the end times like in Revelation. I could not find anything.Daniel Chapter 9: Dr. Kelly Varner
Based on Matthew 10:5-7, and Galatians 1:14-18, the 70th week of Daniel was the time period the Gospel of the New Covenant was taken "first" to Daniel's people during the first century.
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You expect us to believe that a moon that does not give her light, can be seen as blood red! Its balderdash!
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