Do you all think it was possible that the 7 day creation was not like our time and was possibly thousands of years
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Yes. I think that some things in the Bible aren't literal by our 2012 standards. I guess when I get up there I'll ask Him!
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No.
Although time means nothing to God, time means something to creation, which exists in time. Time is relevant in the creation account because time is part of creation.
Although time means nothing to God, time means something to creation, which exists in time. Time is relevant in the creation account because time is part of creation.
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No, Genesis says 7 literal days. These are literal days for there is morning and then evening each day. God then rested on the seventh day and instituted the Sabbath.
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But how could that be??? There was no sun or moon or stars to delineate morning from evening...
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Oh my, my, my. Comments such as this are why unbelievers find us a laughable lot.
Do you know what it is that determines a day?
Do you know what the term 'evening' and 'morning' describe?
God bless you.
In Christ, Ted.
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I think people become overly obsessive about creation. It's not really that important to the Christian doctrine on how God did it. We just know that God did it. That's all that matters.
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In the literary narrative of Genesis 1 the days are ordinary days. The question, from my perspective, isn't whether the days are days or something else, but rather what the narrative of Genesis 1 is actually trying to convey.
Is Genesis 1 giving us a literal play-by-play of creation, or is Genesis 1 establishing a theological narrative that speaks to the profound brilliance of God's creative act? In other words, focusing on the fact that it mentions "days" is like missing the forest for the trees. The point of the narrative isn't to tell us that it took the Almighty an entire week to create everything, rather the point of the narrative is to tell us who and what we are as creatures of the Creator God. It's not about something that happened six thousand years ago according to Ussher's chronology, it's about creation itself and our role/purpose in and as created things. That truth, which is the focus of Genesis 1, is not contingent upon a particular chronology, whether the earth is 6 thousand years old or 4.5 billion years old, the point and truth of Genesis 1 remains the same.
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Is Genesis 1 giving us a literal play-by-play of creation, or is Genesis 1 establishing a theological narrative that speaks to the profound brilliance of God's creative act? In other words, focusing on the fact that it mentions "days" is like missing the forest for the trees. The point of the narrative isn't to tell us that it took the Almighty an entire week to create everything, rather the point of the narrative is to tell us who and what we are as creatures of the Creator God. It's not about something that happened six thousand years ago according to Ussher's chronology, it's about creation itself and our role/purpose in and as created things. That truth, which is the focus of Genesis 1, is not contingent upon a particular chronology, whether the earth is 6 thousand years old or 4.5 billion years old, the point and truth of Genesis 1 remains the same.
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Hi rubiks,
I can certianly appreciate your thoughts in that regard and fully understand that a lot of people make that claim. However, I understand that what God seeks of His children is that they believe Him.
God warned Adam of Eve of the dangers of partaking of the forbidden tree and warned them both what was at stake and what would happen to them. He wanted them to believe Him. I believe that all through the Scriptures, what God is asking is that we believe Him.
Now, when we open the Scriptures the very first thing that God reveals to us is how He created everything. Maybe you're right, but I can't help but have this gnawing consideration that what God expects His children to believe is all of it. Everything He has revealed to us. Every word.
And I must admit that part of this gnawing comes from the knowledge of what Jesus told us would be the work of the Holy Spirit in the lives of God's children. That he would reveal the truth to us.
God bless you.
In Christ, Ted
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No, I disagree. If they aren't literal 24 hour days then God's word is not true and he is a liar. This is a matter of do we believe God and take him at his word or not.
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To define a day as 24 hours is an anachronistically modern way of thinking about time. In the ancient world an "hour" is a fraction of a day or a night, not 3600 x 9,192,631,770 periods of the radiation corresponding to the transition between the two hyperfine levels of the ground state of the caesium 133 atom.
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"3600 x 9,192,631,770 periods of the radiation corresponding to the transition between the two hyperfine levels of the ground state of the caesium 133 atom."
Ok, Sheldon.
I believe if you want to trust the meaning of Creation you have to trust the facts of the Creation as truth from the Creator's depiction.
Ok, Sheldon.
I believe if you want to trust the meaning of Creation you have to trust the facts of the Creation as truth from the Creator's depiction.
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The question I'm highlighting is what does "one day" mean in its concrete sense? "24 hours" is not a valid ancient answer - its like defining a pizza as 8 slices. The basic ancient measurement of time is the day - one period of night followed by one period of daylight, or something roughly similar.
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Most converts, new, old, new lukewarmers and old phariseetical and proud don't actually know what Evolution and Creationism is. I say this because I debated with people about it for years.
That is actually a lesson in life: people know far less than what they appear to know; show far more than what they do.
Evolution was (in it's earlier forms) just a disguise for Atheism. You can argue with an atheistic evolutionist till he/she is blue in the face about it, but nothing is that far from the truth.
And, furthermore, most people that call themselves "atheists", but go around beating up and attacking christians, and flirting and running after their gender preference... well... Here's another lesson:
People lie. And they don't lie to help others. They lie to help themselves. People are selfish, self-centered. People don't really care.
Here's another goldie: the function of the enemy is to attack the church. And the nature of the enemy is secracy. No, actually, it is denial and lies. Subjugation, subversiveness, mind-control, brain-washing and propoganda. Basically, they feed you a line, feed, feed, feed, like a fish on a hook, or a cat playing with some whool, and they just take you in whatever direction they have planned. And it is secret.
The good side is also secret, but it is not divisive and mischievious like the enemy. Here is a lesson of good vs. evil. Evil lies. Good does not lie. Simple.
How do you know a liar apart from a non-lair. Very, very easy. Their fruits. What they say and how they say it.
The enemy is not stupid. They enemy will pull out every single resource it has to bring light down. The enemy will even kill itself: look at Judas. He kind of epitomizes the nature of the enemy. Absolutely evil. No regard for his own life, no logical coherent thought process, utter anarchy concealed in lies.
Who are the big guys in the media attacking the church all the time? Simple stuff, like, did Jesus exist? Simple stuff. Atheists. They know, historically, that it is factual, as far as judicial law systems go: all systems are on. Jesus existed. In terms of law and justice Jesus existed. People have even proved it in court. Yet there are many critics, many atheists too. Why do they focus on this? What is their goal in destroying the ultimate icon of love, forgiveness, respect, unity, harmony, praise, peace and the rest? Absolutely nothing. It's down right stupid.
You get those atheists, and then you get genuine atheists. There are many of these people too. They don't go around looking for fights. They don't go around spreading hatred, subversively, secretively. In fact, they go around spreading love secretly. Yes, atheists spreading the love of Jesus. But only a peace of it. IMO - these are just really, really baby Christians in denial and lukewarmness trying to understand why things are so messed up. IMO - there are many Atheists that cover many brilliant topics and many brilliant things, IMO a mark is as good as a mile, and Free Will and Predestination go together. (Try figure that one out lol).
Creationism vs. Evolution. Atheism. Mostly just satanism. (What business does a genuine atheist have with atheism?)
Creationists are Creationists because they are defending the existence of Jesus. It is not really about adaption and all that. Interesting, but not really the point. The debate is long and tiresome. It is better to get to the point. Don't beat around the bush.
Dr. Kent Hovind is an example of a creationist who really wanted to defend the existence of God, but it is dangerous, the calling.
And Hitler is an example of somebody who used to deteriorated version of morality paved by the stones of Socialism, Lenonism, Maoism, Marxism, Evolutionism, Racism, Elitism, Occultism, Satanism, Mystery Religions, Secret SS Societies Conspiring against the Roman Catholic Church and other Churches. Evolution in it's early forms was detailed as atheistic, because whether Darwin liked it or not, it fit in very well with the Dictatorial way of doing things. Had Darwin taken the trouble to phase his Species book in a more pastoral method, he would have won the church, and avoided the massive debate it caused.
Break aways could have formed: all Darwin needed to do was be a little more respectful to the mainstream. But he opposed it purely from a scientific point of view, wanted it to be a success and to appose the church. He knew what he was doing. And that is the thing with evil people, they will always say that they did not know or their followers did not know. And they are always looking for apologies, and always looking for ways to make you stumble so that they don't have to live in madness and confusion over their craziness.
Evolution vs. Creationism is a long nasty tiring debate. If you are interested in truth, rather find out what is happening right now in the real world, go check what all the crazy conspiracy theorists say, pay attention to everyone around you, and see what they are up to.
Shakespeare is all about death, tragedy and corrution. Hollywood just wants to be the same. And everybody wants to be hollywood. The world, just one big lie.
IMO - idc about evolution... but i do care about theistic evolution. i think that is awesome, they achieved what darwin did not want to achieve. and all the people that worship will never achieve. peace.
That is actually a lesson in life: people know far less than what they appear to know; show far more than what they do.
Evolution was (in it's earlier forms) just a disguise for Atheism. You can argue with an atheistic evolutionist till he/she is blue in the face about it, but nothing is that far from the truth.
And, furthermore, most people that call themselves "atheists", but go around beating up and attacking christians, and flirting and running after their gender preference... well... Here's another lesson:
People lie. And they don't lie to help others. They lie to help themselves. People are selfish, self-centered. People don't really care.
Here's another goldie: the function of the enemy is to attack the church. And the nature of the enemy is secracy. No, actually, it is denial and lies. Subjugation, subversiveness, mind-control, brain-washing and propoganda. Basically, they feed you a line, feed, feed, feed, like a fish on a hook, or a cat playing with some whool, and they just take you in whatever direction they have planned. And it is secret.
The good side is also secret, but it is not divisive and mischievious like the enemy. Here is a lesson of good vs. evil. Evil lies. Good does not lie. Simple.
How do you know a liar apart from a non-lair. Very, very easy. Their fruits. What they say and how they say it.
The enemy is not stupid. They enemy will pull out every single resource it has to bring light down. The enemy will even kill itself: look at Judas. He kind of epitomizes the nature of the enemy. Absolutely evil. No regard for his own life, no logical coherent thought process, utter anarchy concealed in lies.
Who are the big guys in the media attacking the church all the time? Simple stuff, like, did Jesus exist? Simple stuff. Atheists. They know, historically, that it is factual, as far as judicial law systems go: all systems are on. Jesus existed. In terms of law and justice Jesus existed. People have even proved it in court. Yet there are many critics, many atheists too. Why do they focus on this? What is their goal in destroying the ultimate icon of love, forgiveness, respect, unity, harmony, praise, peace and the rest? Absolutely nothing. It's down right stupid.
You get those atheists, and then you get genuine atheists. There are many of these people too. They don't go around looking for fights. They don't go around spreading hatred, subversively, secretively. In fact, they go around spreading love secretly. Yes, atheists spreading the love of Jesus. But only a peace of it. IMO - these are just really, really baby Christians in denial and lukewarmness trying to understand why things are so messed up. IMO - there are many Atheists that cover many brilliant topics and many brilliant things, IMO a mark is as good as a mile, and Free Will and Predestination go together. (Try figure that one out lol).
Creationism vs. Evolution. Atheism. Mostly just satanism. (What business does a genuine atheist have with atheism?)
Creationists are Creationists because they are defending the existence of Jesus. It is not really about adaption and all that. Interesting, but not really the point. The debate is long and tiresome. It is better to get to the point. Don't beat around the bush.
Dr. Kent Hovind is an example of a creationist who really wanted to defend the existence of God, but it is dangerous, the calling.
And Hitler is an example of somebody who used to deteriorated version of morality paved by the stones of Socialism, Lenonism, Maoism, Marxism, Evolutionism, Racism, Elitism, Occultism, Satanism, Mystery Religions, Secret SS Societies Conspiring against the Roman Catholic Church and other Churches. Evolution in it's early forms was detailed as atheistic, because whether Darwin liked it or not, it fit in very well with the Dictatorial way of doing things. Had Darwin taken the trouble to phase his Species book in a more pastoral method, he would have won the church, and avoided the massive debate it caused.
Break aways could have formed: all Darwin needed to do was be a little more respectful to the mainstream. But he opposed it purely from a scientific point of view, wanted it to be a success and to appose the church. He knew what he was doing. And that is the thing with evil people, they will always say that they did not know or their followers did not know. And they are always looking for apologies, and always looking for ways to make you stumble so that they don't have to live in madness and confusion over their craziness.
Evolution vs. Creationism is a long nasty tiring debate. If you are interested in truth, rather find out what is happening right now in the real world, go check what all the crazy conspiracy theorists say, pay attention to everyone around you, and see what they are up to.
Shakespeare is all about death, tragedy and corrution. Hollywood just wants to be the same. And everybody wants to be hollywood. The world, just one big lie.
IMO - idc about evolution... but i do care about theistic evolution. i think that is awesome, they achieved what darwin did not want to achieve. and all the people that worship will never achieve. peace.
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