Hating Calvinists?

[calgal]

The Dutch seem like such a happy people, esp. with all the klompen dancing

Klompen Dancing is a great thing and so therapeutic. I am sure the Dutch were relieved with the end of Spanish rule and the beginning of the House of Orange ruling Holland. Said Holland was quite a refuge for the persecuted of many faiths! Gotta love calvinists for that!

 

[Gamecock]

Klompen Dancing is a great thing and so therapeutic. I am sure the Dutch were relieved with the end of Spanish rule and the beginning of the House of Orange ruling Holland. Said Holland was quite a refuge for the persecuted of many faiths! Gotta love calvinists for that!

We Calvinists are so tolerant in the Gospel of Christ!

 

[Mr Potato Head]

Yeah... just look at Calvin.

 

[snerkel]

Yeah... just look at Calvin.

You can see Calvin?

 

[Mr Potato Head]

why yes.... I see dead people ::shiver:: sure is cold in here...

 

[Gamecock]

Yeah... just look at Calvin.

Yup, if it weren't for Calvin we would still be living under a feudal system in the old country....

 

[snerkel]

why yes.... I see dead people ::shiver:: sure is cold in here...

 

[Gamecock]

BWAHAAAHAAA!

 

[MattMMMan17]

There was a plot buy several Jesuits to blow King James (the overseer of the KJV) and his family up by placing several kegs of gunpowder under the stage in which they were supposed to stand. However, the Lord interveened and the collusion was found out before they could carry out their plot. This is one of thousands of instances

Yeah I was walking down the stairs this morning and almost slipped on a piece of paper but, the Lord intervened and I saw it first. Yes, I am using sarcasm to make a point. You would do well to note that an action carried out by several Catholics is not one sanctioned by the Catholic Church itself. That's like me blaming the entire Anglican Church if one of its priests tried to assassinate a Catholic.

 

[drstevej]

 

[Miles Peterson]

Nice mug shot!

 

[Acceptance]

Can you site one instance in history where Protestants have murdered Catholics for no other reason than what they believe.

Ok...How about the Ku Klux Klan? Or in England when Henry the VIII converted? Or in Ireland when Catholics were forced to convert by the invading English? Or when the Huguenots controlled France?

Though there are many examples of Protestants killing Catholics based solely on what they believe, surely the actions of these Protestants do not represent what Protestants as a whole believe. And as I'm sure you don't agree with the actions of those Protestants, I'm sure you can understand how in the same way, the actions of Catholics who've killed Protestants do not represent what the Catholic church as a whole believes.

Catholics who kill Protestants are Catholic in name only.

 

[Rick Otto]

Catholic in name only is still too Catholic for me.
I even reject the label Protestant.
99.9% of "Protestant" churches have succumbed to counter-reformationist doctrinal assaults, since Arminius.
I've heard the Prtstnts have a body count at about 60, beginning with Michael Servetus, who was also on the Inquisition's hit list.
How anyone could compare the millions of victims claimed by the Catholics with the few victims of Prtstnts, is mind boggling on the face of it.

Also, you who think the Catholics "cleaned up they're act" are only right on the face of it.
If you look at who owns & operates the colleges our politicians are formed in, you'll see Jesuits (eg. Georgetown)
Check out "Rulers Of Evil" by Tupper Saucy. He has great online information.
"Swarms of Locusts" by Michael Bunker delineates the history of heresy from Pelagius to Ron LeHay.
The Roman lust for conquest is alive & healthy.
Anybody here ever hear about "The Black Pope"?

 

[Acceptance]

I've heard the Prtstnts have a body count at about 60

Do you smoke crack?! just kidding, but what are you talking about???? Are you saying you honestly think that only 60 catholics have ever been killed simply for what they believe? If you are, you are (unfortunately) mistaken.

 

[Rick Otto]

I only smoke when I'm on fire.
I got blamed for settin' off the smoke alarms in the bathroom, but I was framed!
Thanks for the sense of humor.
Yeah I could easily be wrong on that bodycount. Maybe it only applies to Calvin's Posse.
What score do you have for the P's?
I heard a guy go to the matt with it in a discussion once. I don't remember if I checked his reference or not. But even legend bears witness - nearly everyone has heard of the Inquisition. What Protestant act or program has equaled the Inquisition in name recognition or brand loyalty? It's a marketing success for the Catholics, hands down. Those who need a flesh & blood head in the world instead of in heaven, where Jesus already is (in the flesh), have been catered to with all the pomp & regalia the world can afford (w/out blushing).
Nevertheless the evidence of influence ratios among Focus Groups are abundant in pro-Catholic terms of brand loyalty and percieved history, wether we agree on what that is, revised or not. I learned about it first from the Catholics. Imagine my suprise when I began to discover other versions, as predestined to learn I was, having Oliver Cromwell as an 8th generation grand-uncle. (Mom married a -gasp-Catholic!)
Evident success of the Jesuit Inquisition & counter-reformation is everywhere while the witnesses of the Reformers work & deaths seem to lay dead in the street.
I dig Calvin's TULIP, but part ways w/him on ecclesiology, especially in the area of church discipline. I'm sure you understand.
That's what I be smokin', pardner.
Iz I trippin'?
What kinda body counts are you lookin' at?
I know the exact number has been a source of controversy for ages, but just for the record, Michael Servitus, Calvin's 1st bar-b-que, WASN'T CATHOLIC.
Sorry, didn't mean to shout. Still gettin' over those memories of bein' an altar boy=:O
Wonder if I should call a lawyer & a hypnotist?$?$?(lol)

 

[rnmomof7]

I want those mugs

Mail me the URL

Thanks

 

[rnmomof7]

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What kinda body counts are you lookin' at?
I know the exact number has been a source of controversy for ages, but just for the record, Michael Servitus, Calvin's 1st bar-b-que, WASN'T CATHOLIC.
Sorry, didn't mean to shout. Still gettin' over those memories of bein' an altar boy=:O
Wonder if I should call a lawyer & a hypnotist?$?$?(lol)

Were there others? The word 1st is loaded

 

[Gamecock]

The quote reads:

[font=Arial, Helvetica, sans-serif]"We cannot open our eyes without being compelled to behold Him. His essence, indeed, is incomprehensible, utterly transcending all human thought; but on each of His works His glory is engraven in characters so bright, so distinct, and so illustrious, that none, however dull and illiterate, can plead ignorance as their excuse."[/font]

[font=Arial, Helvetica, sans-serif]Institutes of the Christian Religion, Book 1, Chapter 5, Section 1[/font]

 

[Rick Otto]

I've heard there was more, but I'm not interested enough to track it down.
The papal juggernaught has the the lion's share (pardon the pun).
Besides, Protestants have the best crack, baby.lol

 

[john14_20]

We cannot open our eyes without being compelled to behold Him. His essence, indeed, is incomprehensible, utterly transcending all human thought; but on each of His works His glory is engraven in characters so bright, so distinct, and so illustrious, that none, however dull and illiterate, can plead ignorance as their excuse

Hi Gamecock. What Calvin is talking about here is the abiblity to gain a saving faith by looking at the creation. The logic is that the world is so beautiful and His Glory shines so strongly through it that, if one is sincere, one cannot help but see God in the creation.

Now understand this logic. The existence of suucjh a magnificent creation most assuredly implies the existence of a Creator, just as the existence of a watch implies the existence of a watchmaker.

The problem we have is that by looking at a watch, we can asuame a watchmaer, but what truths ABOUT the watchmaker can be discerned? Very little if anything at all. We can assume he exists, but we can know very little about him.

The same is true with God and creation. I find it hard to believe that anyone could look around and not conclude the existence of a God who has created all of this. But you could not possibly conclude that this creator God has sent His Son to die for our sins, and that by having faith in the Son we can be saved. You can't look at creation and see the Gospel message.

Calvin asserts that you can come to saving faith without hearing the Gospel, just from looking at the works of His hand around us. So either saving faith is not faith in Jesus Christ dying for our sin but simply an awareness that there is a God who has created all of this, OR Calvin is wrong.

Which do you think?

Blessings to all, Pete.