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Hate Speech...

Discussion in 'General Politics' started by Carl Emerson, Jan 13, 2021.

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  1. SilverBear

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    like all rights free speech comes with limitations. Slander, incitement of violence, yelling fire in a crowded theater to just name a few.

    But again free speech is protected as rightly so but free speech doesn't protect people of the consequences of what they say.

    the same Constitution also protects people on the receiving end of hate speech.
     
  2. NerdGirl

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    It's difficult to believe that this is a serious question.
     
  3. Redwingfan9

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    Slander/libel are another matter altogether. Likewise, speech which can cause imminent danger can be prohibited (yelling fire in a theater etc.) Those exceptions are incredibly narrow though. The Brandenburg case I cited earlier severely limits the ability of the state to prosecute people for incitement to violence. That's why Trump's rally comments last week will never be prosecuted. (Impeachment is a political not a legal matter)

    The Constitution does not protect people from speech. It does not protect anyone from hurt feelings. It affords you the right to ignore speech you don't like or to counter it with your own speech. It doesn't protect you from hearing it in the first place.
     
  4. NerdGirl

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    With words. Loud, disruptive, mechanical noises, like from a bullhorn, especially aimed at children, is a different issue.

    Please quote me a single law about hate speech that involves children, since that's your best example.

    We're talking about two different things here. You're incorrect. I'm talking about the perception of the victim, not the perpetrator.
     
  5. NerdGirl

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    Which part of the Constitution addresses being a victim of hate speech?
     
  6. SilverBear

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    Why?


    but it does protect people from harassment and intimidation either as individuals or as groups. This includes symbolic actions like burning a cross or malicious misinformation that are meant to make specific victims fear for their well being or incite discrimination, even if the cross-burners don’t actually plan to carry through with the threat See Virginia v. Black 2003
     
  7. SilverBear

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    i find it difficult to believe you don't take your own claim seriously enough to back it up
     
  8. SilverBear

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    so lets take the bull horn out of the situation.

    why are you not supporting this man's right to engage in free speech?



    best? its an example.

    and in the above scenario the children are not the target of any hate speech they are just the audience


    perceived member of a minority refers to the perception of the person engaging in the hate. Someone don't have to be gay to be on the receiving end of anti-gay hate those spreading the hate just have to think their target is gay
     
  9. SilverBear

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    you can start with the equal protection clause...
     
  10. Confused-by-christianity

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    Have you stated what you think? (I'll admit I haven't read the posts of the 4 pages). What was your answer to the original thread question?
     
  11. SilverBear

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    maybe you should read
     
  12. Confused-by-christianity

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    Or maybe you should just cut and paste it? Who's to say.
     
  13. NerdGirl

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    I am. If he were standing on a street corner holding a sign, that'd be fine.

    They ARE the target.

    Your post: "so if someone were to park out in front of your child's school and use a bull horn to shout obscenities and claims about how the members of the neighboring synagogue are going to come into the school to select a child from each class to sacrifice"

    Your examples and arguments are poor.
     
  14. NerdGirl

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    And how exactly does that relate to hate speech?
     
  15. NerdGirl

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    But surely, if you had time to write it once, you have time to write it again! Per your own logic about my past posts ^_^
     
  16. SilverBear

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    still at the school and still talking


    he isn't threatening the children. He is doing a public service by warning the children about what those people in the synagogue have planned.

    Why aren't you supporting his right to free speech?
     
  17. SilverBear

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    to use an old metaphor your right to swing your fist ends when it connects to my face
     
  18. SilverBear

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    and you still haven't backed them up. at this point i can only assume that your claims are all false.
     
  19. Confused-by-christianity

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    Do we get an answer to the question from you?
     
  20. NerdGirl

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    And that doesn't answer the question at all :oldthumbsup: I'm beginning to see what JohnDB meant.
     
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