Has the Holy Spirit explicitly led you to keep the Sabbath?

[LoveGodsWord]

Maybe that is what you believe, but that is not what I believe the scripture teaches (Hebrews 4). I am not under the law. I am resting from my self-righteous works of the law and trusting in the finished work of Jesus Christ. God bless.

HEBREWS 4 does not teach what your claiming it teaches. The context of HEBREWS 4:1-5 is talking about the Sabbath of creation. Have a read.

 

[klutedavid]

No one enters into God's Sabbath rest by breaking his commandments. If we are knowingly breaking Gods commandments according to the scriptures we are still in our sins *1 JOHN 3:4 and have not seen him or known him *1 JOHN 2:3-4

The word used in your quote (1 John 3:4) is the word 'lawlessness'. To transgress the law is to transgress any statute, commandment, or ordinance in the law.

John did not say that sin is just breaking the ten commandments. That is your interpretation and that is not an accurate reflection of what the text states.

 

[LoveGodsWord]

Are these two commandments or not?

1 John 3:23-24
This is His commandment, that we believe in the name of His Son Jesus Christ, and love one another, just as He commanded us. The one who keeps His commandments abides in Him, and He in him.

These two commandments are not the ten so what gives?

There is no separating love from law. According to JESUS ON THESE TWO COMMANDMENTS HANG ALL THE LAW and the prophets *MATTHEW 22:36-40. JESUS is quoting the old testaments scriptures of Deuteronomy 6:5 and Leviticus 19:18 BTW. No one loves their neighbor by stealing from them. Have a read of ROMANS 13:8-10.

 

[GraceBro]

HEBREWS 4 does not teach what your claiming it teaches. The context of HEBREWS 4:1-5 is talking about the Sabbath of creation. Have a read.

Look, I may be new to you, but I am not new to this subject. If you want to hijack this thread by responding to everybody as if you are the Holy Spirit, then go ahead. I am finished with you being a Judaiser. We believe differently. If you want to try and obey the commandments, be my guest. It makes sense why you believe nobody enters God's rest by breaking His commandments because that must be your experience from breaking them all the time. You are not experiencing rest. I will pray for you as you try to be like the Jews "by following their example of disobedience (Hebrews 4:11)." Grace and Peace.

 

[LoveGodsWord]

The word used in your quote (1 John 3:4) is the word 'lawlessness'. To transgress the law is to transgress any statute, commandment, or ordinance in the law. John did not say that sin is just breaking the ten commandments. That is your interpretation and that is not an accurate reflection of what the text states.

Not really, as sin is also defined elsewhere as breaking anyone of God's 10 commandment in JAMES 2:10-11, ROMANS 7:7 and ROMANS 3:20. The context of 1 JOHN 3 is 1 JOHN 2:1-4 where the reason why John is writing is that we sin not. Your argument here is simply a strawman distraction as it also includes the 10 commandments right and no one has ever said that it is only God's 10 commandments because the scriptures teach whatsoever is not of faith is also sin *ROMANS 14:23

Hope this helps.

 

[klutedavid]

There is no separating love from law. According to JESUS ON THESE TWO COMMANDMENTS HANG ALL THE LAW and the prophets *MATTHEW 22:36-40. JESUS is quoting the old testaments scriptures of Deuteronomy 6:5 and Leviticus 19:18 BTW. No one loves their neighbor by stealing from them. Have a read of ROMANS 13:8-10.

I asked you whether the two commandments below.

1 John 3:23-24
This is His commandment, that we believe in the name of His Son Jesus Christ, and love one another, just as He commanded us. The one who keeps His commandments abides in Him, and He in him.

The commandment to believe in the name of Jesus Christ is not listed in the law. That was the first commandment that John listed. You failed to identify that commandment.

"just as He commanded us"

The commandments of Jesus are not the commandments of the law.

 

[LoveGodsWord]

I asked you whether the two commandments below.

1 John 3:23-24
This is His commandment, that we believe in the name of His Son Jesus Christ, and love one another, just as He commanded us. The one who keeps His commandments abides in Him, and He in him.

The commandment to believe in the name of Jesus Christ is not listed in the law. That was the first commandment that John listed. You failed to identify that commandment.

"just as He commanded us"

The commandments of Jesus are not the commandments of the law.

As posted earlier JESUS says "ON THESE TWO COMMANDMENTS HANG ALL THE LAW and the prophets" *MATTHEW 22:36-40. JESUS is quoting the old testaments scriptures of Deuteronomy 6:5 and Leviticus 19:18 BTW. No one loves their neighbor by stealing from them. Have a read of ROMANS 13:8-10. The context is 1 JOHN 3:4-21 which is talking about sin and breaking anyone of God's commandments. Love is expressed through obedience to God's law not by breaking it. If we are knowingly breaking God's law once we have been given a knowledge of the truth of God's Word according to the scriptures we are still in our sins for sin *HEBREWS 10:26-31 as sin is the transgression of God's Law (1 JOHN 3:4).

 

[TruthSeek3r]

But Cornelius and his household received all the baptism in the Holy Spirit, but as far as Scripture reveals, they were Gentiles that feared God but in no place it says that they were Sabbath keepers prior to their Holy Spirit baptism. And their baptism was quite dramatic by the way:

Acts 10:44-48
44 While Peter was still saying these things, the Holy Spirit fell on all who heard the word. 45 And the believers from among the circumcised who had come with Peter were amazed, because the gift of the Holy Spirit was poured out even on the Gentiles. 46 For they were hearing them speaking in tongues and extolling God. Then Peter declared, 47 “Can anyone withhold water for baptizing these people, who have received the Holy Spirit just as we have?” 48 And he commanded them to be baptized in the name of Jesus Christ. Then they asked him to remain for some days.

Or are you going to say that Cornelius was a Sabbath keeper?

@LoveGodsWord so what about this?

 

[LoveGodsWord]

@LoveGodsWord so what about this?

In the new covenant God's ISRAEL are all those who believe and follow God's Word * JOHN 10:26-27. There is no more JEW and Gentile, as all are one in Christ *EPHESIANS 2:11-13; GALATIANS 3:28-29; ROMANS 9:6-8; ROMANS 2:28-29; COLOSSIANS 3:11; ROMANS 10:11-13 as the gentiles believers are now grafted in with Jewish believers ROMANS 11:13-27. If you are not a part of Gods' ISRAEL then you have no part in God's new covenant promise *HEBREWS 8:10-12.

 

[klutedavid]

Not really, as sin is also defines elsewhere as breaking anyone of God's 10 commandment in JAMES 2:10-11, ROMANS 7:7 and ROMANS 3:20. The context of 1 JOHN 3 is 1 JOHN 2:1-4 where the reason why John is writing is that we sin not. Your argument here is simply a strawman distraction as it also includes the 10 commandments right and no one has ever said that it is only God's 10 commandments because the scriptures teach whatsoever is not of faith is also sin *ROMANS 14:23

Hope this helps.

Not really you say?

Lawlessness according to any dictionary is a disregard of obedience to the law. Your interpretation is faulty.

Nowhere in the New Testament is the law defined as just the ten commandments. That is the true straw man interpretation.

Your trying to say; don't covet that oxen but you can get drunk, because drunkenness is not one of the ten. You can beat someone up but avoid killing them, because the law only says do not kill.

Run a brothel, sell and use drugs, but whatever you do, you must obey the ten commandments.

 

[LoveGodsWord]

Not really you say?

Lawlessness according to any dictionary is a disregard of obedience to the law. Your interpretation is faulty.

Nowhere in the New Testament is the law defined as just the ten commandments. That is the true straw man interpretation.

Your trying to say; don't covet that oxen but you can get drunk, because drunkenness is not one of the ten. You can beat someone up but avoid killing them, because the law only says do not kill.

Run a brothel, sell and use drugs, but whatever you do, you must obey the ten commandments.

Not really dear friend. Lawlessness in the Greek means without law. Not subject to it and not obedient to it which is what has already been shared with you.

 

[TruthSeek3r]

Also, guys, please try to remain on-topic. The thread is mainly concerned with whether the Holy Spirit explicitly leads people to keeping the Sabbath, so please avoid unnecessary doctrinal debates unless they directly address the thread's topic.

 

[LoveGodsWord]

Also, guys, please try to remain on-topic. The thread is mainly concerned with whether the Holy Spirit explicitly leads people to keeping the Sabbath, so please avoid unnecessary doctrinal debates unless they directly address the thread's topic.

No problem but I believe everything that has been shared here is directly related to this OP as the scriptures do not teach anyone has God's Spirit by knowingly breaking his commandments of not believing and following his Word *1 JOHN 2:3-4; ROMANS 14:23

 

[TruthSeek3r]

In the new covenant God's ISRAEL are all those who believe and follow God's Word * JOHN 10:26-27. There is no more JEW and Gentile, as all are one in Christ *EPHESIANS 2:11-13; GALATIANS 3:28-29; ROMANS 9:6-8; ROMANS 2:28-29; COLOSSIANS 3:11; ROMANS 10:11-13 as the gentiles believers are now grafted in with Jewish believers ROMANS 11:13-27. If you are not a part of Gods' ISRAEL then you have no part in God's new covenant promise *HEBREWS 8:10-12.

Answer this simple question. When Cornelius received the baptism in the Holy Spirit in Acts 10, was he a Sabbath keeper? Yes or no?

 

[LoveGodsWord]

Answer this simple question. When Cornelius received the baptism in the Holy Spirit in Acts 10, was he a Sabbath keeper? Yes or no?

I do not know the scriptures do not say one way of the other do they or are you trying to make an argument from silence? Don't forget your argument works both ways as in no place does it say also that they were not sabbath keepers. Your trying to make an argument from silence as you have no scripture to support your argument.

 

[Dkh587]

Yes, the Spirit led me to keep the sabbath.

 

[LoveGodsWord]

Yes, the Spirit led me to keep the sabbath.

Me too brother praise be to God! His Word is wonderful!

 

[TruthSeek3r]

Yes, the Spirit led me to keep the sabbath.

Can you share your testimony? How did Holy Spirit lead you to keep the Sabbath? Have you received the Baptism in the Holy Spirit?

 

[TruthSeek3r]

I do not know the scriptures do not say one way of the other do they or are you trying to make an argument from silence? Don't forget your argument works both ways as in no place does it say also that they were not sabbath keepers. Your trying to make an argument from silence as you have no scripture to support your argument.

But we can adopt a probabilistic approach. We are told that Cornelius was a Gentile centurion, very prayerful and altruistic, we are also told that he was not circumcised, so he certainly was not a Jewish. If he had been a regular Sabbath keeper, then he would probably have been attending a Jewish synagogue each Sabbath already, and by the time Peter visited him he would've already converted to Judaism. But that doesn't seem to be the case at all. So, if I had to bet, I would say that he most probably was not a regular synagogue attendee, and therefore he was not a regular Sabbath keeper.

 

[LoveGodsWord]

But we can adopt a probabilistic approach. We are told that Cornelius was a Gentile centurion, very prayerful and altruistic, we are also told that he was not circumcised, so he certainly was not a Jewish. If he had been a regular Sabbath keeper, then he would probably have been attending a Jewish synagogue each Sabbath already, and by the time Peter visited him he would've already converted to Judaism. But that doesn't seem to be the case at all. So, if I had to bet, I would say that he most probably was not a regular synagogue attendee, and therefore he was not a regular Sabbath keeper.

I do not believe we should try and base our faith on arguments or bets that are not supported by the scriptures. There is no scripture that teaches that God's 4th commandments which is one of God's 10 commandments that give us the knowledge of what sin is when broken has been abolished and we are now commanded to keep Sunday as a Holy day. Keep in mind also that in times of ignorance God winks at but as we grow in his grace and he gives us a knowledge of his truth calls all men everywhere to believe and follow his Word.