Has the gay community infiltrated this website?

[BigChrisfilm]

Stop calling things wrath! I know you are from the Westboro Baptist Church in disguise! We are living in the Age of Grace, stop with this "wrath of God" crap.

LOL, the Westboro Baptist Church. I don't think so....

 

[BigChrisfilm]

a loving monogamous, same sex relationship wasn't even in existence till like 1869 as a recognized thing. It would not be mentioned in the Bible, just like slavery is clearly condoned all throughout Scripture...historical context...

Do what? You are saying that homosexuality was never mentioned in the Bible? Well, that's just a big old lie.

 

[davedjy]

Do what? You are saying that homosexuality was never mentioned in the Bible? Well, that's just a big old lie.

I said HOMOSEXUAL relationships weren't even present till then. Why are you twisting my words with your post?

 

[Lisa0315]

a loving monogamous, same sex relationship wasn't even in existence till like 1869 as a recognized thing. It would not be mentioned in the Bible, just like slavery is clearly condoned all throughout Scripture...historical context...

There are many loving relationships. That does not mean that all sexual relationships are condoned by God. I am no more "preaching" to gays than I am to any other person. Sex before marriage is a sin. (One I committed) Sex outside the bonds of marriage is a sin. There just is not getting around that. It is Scripture. It is not about historical context. It is not about the law. It is about the bonds of marriage.

Sorry, but homosexual couples do not meet the requirements as set forth by God from the beginning. Therefore, they are outside the bonds of marriage, and sexual relationships are sinful. I am not judging anyone. I do not make the rules. I am just saying that you cannot get away from it. It is the Word of God. Either you believe it or you don't, but there it is.

Lisa

 

[BigChrisfilm]

I said HOMOSEXUAL relationships weren't even present till then. Why are you twisting my words with your post?

I changed my post, sorry.

 

[kiwimac]

There are many loving relationships. That does not mean that all sexual relationships are condoned by God. I am no more "preaching" to gays than I am to any other person. Sex before marriage is a sin. (One I committed) Sex outside the bonds of marriage is a sin. There just is not getting around that. It is Scripture. It is not about historical context. It is not about the law. It is about the bonds of marriage.

Sorry, but homosexual couples do not meet the requirements as set forth by God from the beginning. Therefore, they are outside the bonds of marriage, and sexual relationships are sinful. I am not judging anyone. I do not make the rules. I am just saying that you cannot get away from it. It is the Word of God. Either you believe it or you don't, but there it is.

Lisa

In your opinion only. I would argue that most of the references that conservatives insist are about homosexuality are actually about temple prostitution or pedarasty.

kiwimac

 

[Lisa0315]

In your opinion only. I would argue that most of the references that conservatives insist are about homosexuality are actually about temple prostitution or pedarasty.

kiwimac

You may argue with it all you want. I am not the authority of God here on earth. If I am wrong, and you are right, that is fine with me. I can only do what I believe is right in the eyes of God. That means that I do not condemn you, I do not preach at you, I tell you my belief and why, and I vote according to my concience.

Lisa

 

[kiwimac]

That is fine. I wish more christians would share your attitude.

 

[davedjy]

That is fine. I wish more christians would share your attitude.

Yeah, at least it's an opinion of honesty, although it's still pretty darn arbitrary.

 

[Lisa0315]

Yeah, at least it's an opinion of honesty, although it's still pretty darn arbitrary.

Not arbitrary at all. It was with much seeking the face of God that I came to this conclusion. I have a dear friend who is a lesbian, and when I became a Christian, I needed guidance on how I should behave around her. I didn't want our friendship to change, but I was afraid that it would. My answer was: It is a sin for me, but it is not my place to condemn anyone else.

Lisa

 

[davedjy]

Not arbitrary at all. It was with much seeking the face of God that I came to this conclusion. I have a dear friend who is a lesbian, and when I became a Christian, I needed guidance on how I should behave around her. I didn't want our friendship to change, but I was afraid that it would. My answer was: It is a sin for me, but it is not my place to condemn anyone else.

Lisa

It truly is. There is no reason for a lesbian or homosexual person to have to live a celibate lifestyle. They live happy and fulfilling lives when they are in a committed, loving relationship. Furthermore, there are many Christian Churches that embrace homosexual couples, and don't call their acts "sins". God doesn't make up arbitrary rules, they all have a deep, purpose.

 

[Lisa0315]

It truly is. There is no reason for a lesbian or homosexual person to have to live a celibate lifestyle. They live happy and fulfilling lives when they are in a committed, loving relationship. Furthermore, there are many Christian Churches that embrace homosexual couples, and don't call their acts "sins". God doesn't make up arbitrary rules, they all have a deep, purpose.

My opinion is not arbitrary. Again, it was hard won and I stand by it. I also do not think that the laws of God are arbitrary. There is most definitely a purpose in denying sexuality between same sex couples. If we do not know that purpose, that does not make it arbitrary.

Lisa

 

[davedjy]

My opinion is not arbitrary. Again, it was hard won and I stand by it. I also do not think that the laws of God are arbitrary. There is most definitely a purpose in denying sexuality between same sex couples. If we do not know that purpose, that does not make it arbitrary.

Lisa

What purpose? we know all the purposes of all the other sins, they are clearly obvious.

So did you turn your friend away from lesbianism?

 

[Lisa0315]

What purpose? we know all the purposes of all the other sins, they are clearly obvious.

So did you turn your friend away from lesbianism?

I said we do not know all the purposes of God's laws.

I did not try to turn my friend. She knows what I believe. It is all good between us.

Lisa

 

[davedjy]

I said we do not know all the purposes of God's laws.

I did not try to turn my friend. She knows what I believe. It is all good between us.

Lisa

There isn't any cure for this, and as I said, I don't see the reason for it...yes, it's up to God whatever law is a law, but I don't see how He would have any problem w/a loving, same sex, monogamous relationship (not mentioned in Scripture)

 

[Lisa0315]

There isn't any cure for this, and as I said, I don't see the reason for it...yes, it's up to God whatever law is a law, but I don't see how He would have any problem w/a loving, same sex, monogamous relationship (not mentioned in Scripture)

Sorry, D. I see how He can have a problem with it. Perhaps I am wrong. If you know Christ, and this is the answer He has given to you, stick to your guns. I can only do what I believe is right for me, and you have to do the same.

Lisa

 

[davedjy]

Sorry, D. I see how He can have a problem with it. Perhaps I am wrong. If you know Christ, and this is the answer He has given to you, stick to your guns. I can only do what I believe is right for me, and you have to do the same.

Lisa

Yes, I understand, if I was in your shoes, I would probably be advising the same way.

 

[Lisa0315]

Yes, I understand, if I was in your shoes, I would probably be advising the same way.

We ARE in the same shoes. My sin is no different than yours. My sin is anger and a lack of love. I am not "cured" of it either. I have been forgiven, and I am trying my best to do as my Father in Heaven desires of me. I have changed a great deal, but sometimes, I still hurt people that I love. Y'all see the best of me here because I am not as involved emotionally, but believe me, I have alot to still overcome.

Lisa

 

[davedjy]

We ARE in the same shoes. My sin is no different than yours. My sin is anger and a lack of love. I am not "cured" of it either. I have been forgiven, and I am trying my best to do as my Father in Heaven desires of me. I have changed a great deal, but sometimes, I still hurt people that I love. Y'all see the best of me here because I am not as involved emotionally, but believe me, I have alot to still overcome.

Lisa

Well, it doesn't explain much...homosexuals fall into a very small minority of the population, and we don't have attraction to the opposite sex. There is absolutely no Biblical explanation for this.

 

[Lisa0315]

Well, it doesn't explain much...homosexuals fall into a very small minority of the population, and we don't have attraction to the opposite sex. There is absolutely no Biblical explanation for this.

How do you know that it is not a choice between being gay and being called to celibacy? What if in God's divine will for your life, you would be tempted by sexual sin, but if overcome, you would be called to ministry? We are all tried and tested before being conformed to God's will for our life.

We know that Paul prayed to be delivered from the thorn in his flesh. He was a Roman citizan and had likely been exposed to many diverse experiences. He was also a Jew, so homosexuality was forbidden. However, what if that thorn was attraction to other men? He never married although it was expected of him as a Jewish man. He was not a young man when called by God. Could he have been gay and from the moment of his conversion suffered still with the attraction, but sacrificed his fleshly desires to follow God's purpose for him?

There is a reason and a purpose for all those who love God. There is a reason we are afflicted and there is a reason that by the grace of God we are able to overcome.

Lisa