Has the gay community infiltrated this website?

[davedjy]

Sure it can. Adam and Eve, Sarah and Abraham, Joseph and Mary. Song of Solomon is written about heterosexual love.

Lisa

That doesn't prove that homosexual love is wrong, it just proves that heterosexual love is good.

 

[EnemyPartyII]

Jonathon and David?

 

[davedjy]

Jonathon and David?

Yeah, it does say that David's love for Jonathan was greater than that of a woman. We can't be sure that it was sexual, but they did show affection for each other even in the Bible.

 

[EnemyPartyII]

We can't be sure that it was sexual, but they did show affection for each other even in the Bible.

Jonathon's father's reaction to J+D's relationship is recogniseable to a huge number of gay children of disaproving parents

 

[Lisa0315]

Jonathon and David?

Were Jonathan and David married? Why would God punish David for an illicit affair with another man's wife but not an unsanctified sexual relationship with a man? Marriage is key here.

Lisa

 

[Lisa0315]

Jonathon's father's reaction to J+D's relationship is recogniseable to a huge number of gay children of disaproving parents

It was not their relationship that Saul disaproved of. Instead it was the fact that the Glory of God had left him, and had instead rested on David.

Lisa

 

[EnemyPartyII]

It was not their relationship that Saul disaproved of. Instead it was the fact that the Glory of God had left him, and had instead rested on David.

Yes, I'm sure thats what Saul said too. Of course, some of us have experienced the way parents say one thing but really mean "no son of mine's gunna be no stinking pansy!"

 

[Lisa0315]

Yes, I'm sure thats what Saul said too. Of course, some of us have experienced the way parents say one thing but really mean "no son of mine's gunna be no stinking pansy!"

I am sorry for that, but that is not the way God views sin. Many of us have been disdained by parents for whatever, but even though they are wrong to do this, that does not justify our sin. We will not stand before God with a parent or any loved one to defend us, or to belittle us for that matter. We will stand alone, and we are accountable to God for ourselves, no one else...although, our treatment of others will definitely be brought up.

Lisa

 

[EnemyPartyII]

We will stand alone, and we are accountable to God for ourselves, no one else...although, our treatment of others will definitely be brought up.

Sure... but thats not really relevant to what I'm saying. I'm saying that Saul's reaction to J+D's relationship was because they were gay lovers.

 

[tulc]

Of course, some of us have experienced the way parents say one thing but really mean "no son of mine's gunna be no stinking pansy!"

Wow you sounded like my dad just then!
tulc(and I'm not even gay!)

 

[EnemyPartyII]

I'm cuter than your Dad

 

[Lisa0315]

Sure... but thats not really relevant to what I'm saying. I'm saying that Saul's reaction to J+D's relationship was because they were gay lovers.

And I am telling you that God is no different over any sexual sin. If David and Jonathan had been lovers, they were certainly outside the bonds of marriage. This would have been fornication and adultery because David was married. (Leave out the homosexual sin for a moment). God would have surely punished David for this just as He later punished David for his adultery with Bathsheba. David was punished and severely. There could not have been sexual sin between David and Jonathan because God would be a hypocrit to punish for one sin but overlook the other.

Lisa

 

[tulc]

I'm cuter than your Dad

Well....that is true!
tulc(not as cute as Mrs.tulc though!)

 

[Lisa0315]

Sure... but thats not really relevant to what I'm saying. I'm saying that Saul's reaction to J+D's relationship was because they were gay lovers.

Why do you not address Scripture with this. If our God turns away from sin once, then, why doesn't He always? Why did Jesus have to die if SOME sin will be ignored, and others worthy of death?

There is absolutely no argument that can show that David and Jonathan were lovers. It is completely against the evidence of how God reacted to sexual sin in David's life.

Please show me how God would not have punished David for an illicit affair with man or woman while he was married, (or even when he wasn't)

If you do not address my point, then, you are showing yourself an unworthy discussion partner. You are also showing yourself as oblivious to truly desiring to know the will of God on this.


Lisa

 

[davedjy]

Why do you not address Scripture with this. If our God turns away from sin once, then, why doesn't He always? Why did Jesus have to die if SOME sin will be ignored, and others worthy of death?

There is absolutely no argument that can show that David and Jonathan were lovers. It is completely against the evidence of how God reacted to sexual sin in David's life.

Please show me how God would not have punished David for an illicit affair with man or woman while he was married, (or even when he wasn't)

If you do not address my point, then, you are showing yourself an unworthy discussion partner. You are also showing yourself as oblivious to truly desiring to know the will of God on this.


Lisa

Stoning to death of a rape victim was also in the Bible...what about the stoning to death if you had sex w/a woman within 7 days of her menstrual cycle?
The Bible also makes it clear that you should slit your own throat if you are partial to gluttony in Proverbs. Shall we take that as serious as an offense? God doesn't make any room for sin, but clearly the mainstream church sees some sins as bigger than others. I don't even believe homosexuality is a sin in a life long committed monogamous relationship, but even if it was, it shows you the priorities of sexual sins over other things that the Bible made clear were just as serious as an offense.

 

[Im_A]

Have non Christians infiltrated this website? I noticed many post attacking the bible in general. I was wondering if some atheist are posing as Christians to try to get their point across?

first off, the title on the forum says gay community but the title of the op says atheist. i'm confused.

for the gay community, i say let them come in.

i'm not here to debate if homosexuality is right or wrong, but let's say for the moment it is wrong. i see no reason to not welcome them in here, because we welcome other shades of darkness/saved sinners.

if it isn't sin, well no issue and life goes on, well, either way life keeps going on.

i sure hope tho that they find a place here that they are welcomed with love.

and the atheists, come. they have great insight for us to see our faith through, or to just have great conversation.

infiltrate us i say!!!!

 

[davedjy]

first off, the title on the forum says gay community but the title of the op says atheist. i'm confused.

for the gay community, i say let them come in.

i'm not here to debate if homosexuality is right or wrong, but let's say for the moment it is wrong. i see no reason to not welcome them in here, because we welcome other shades of darkness/saved sinners.

if it isn't sin, well no issue and life goes on, well, either way life keeps going on.

i sure hope tho that they find a place here that they are welcomed with love.

and the atheists, come. they have great insight for us to see our faith through, or to just have great conversation.

infiltrate us i say!!!!

This is the message of a loving and compassionate believer! You remind me of Savedandhappy1, even though you don't agree you still don't judge or condemn.

 

[Lisa0315]

Stoning to death of a rape victim was also in the Bible...what about the stoning to death if you had sex w/a woman within 7 days of her menstrual cycle?
The Bible also makes it clear that you should slit your own throat if you are partial to gluttony in Proverbs. Shall we take that as serious as an offense? God doesn't make any room for sin, but clearly the mainstream church sees some sins as bigger than others. I don't even believe homosexuality is a sin in a life long committed monogamous relationship, but even if it was, it shows you the priorities of sexual sins over other things that the Bible made clear were just as serious as an offense.

Nice dodge, but this is no game of dodgeball.

Let's take the Old Testament out of it since those Leviticus verses are the most condemning of all on homosexuality. No matter how much a Christian may bend on this subject, it is still very, very clear that sexual sin is a serious offense in the eyes of God.

Now, please look at just the New Testament. It very clearly tells us that men burning in lust with other men is a sin. No matter how you try to get around that, it is there for a reason.

Many say that it was a cultural thing of the time. Perhaps. Yet, it was a common one in almost all cultures across the ages. So, was prostitution. Yet, we all agree that prostitution is a sin. Sexual sin is not new, and scholars down through the ages have had to deal with it.

I suggest that you look at those scholars and how they dealt with Holy Scripture on the subject.

Acceptance in a culture does not mean acceptance in the eyes of God.

I will see what I can find on the subject. The Catholics have kept an immense library of scholarship down through the ages. It is a good place to start.

Lisa

 

[davedjy]

Nice dodge, but this is no game of dodgeball.

Let's take the Old Testament out of it since those Leviticus verses are the most condemning of all on homosexuality. No matter how much a Christian may bend on this subject, it is still very, very clear that sexual sin is a serious offense in the eyes of God.

Now, please look at just the New Testament. It very clearly tells us that men burning in lust with other men is a sin. No matter how you try to get around that, it is there for a reason.

Many say that it was a cultural thing of the time. Perhaps. Yet, it was a common one in almost all cultures across the ages. So, was prostitution. Yet, we all agree that prostitution is a sin. Sexual sin is not new, and scholars down through the ages have had to deal with it.

I suggest that you look at those scholars and how they dealt with Holy Scripture on the subject.

Acceptance in a culture does not mean acceptance in the eyes of God.

I will see what I can find on the subject. The Catholics have kept an immense library of scholarship down through the ages. It is a good place to start.

Lisa

Burning with lust, but what does this chapter address? it addresses lust and not attraction or romantic love.

You see this as an example for monogamous, homosexual relationships? Do you realize the historical fact backings is that it is in conjunction w/pagan worship and wild orgies? how are you going to dodge historical facts and the true link w/documented facts?

I didn't dodge anything, I put PUNISHMENTS into perspective!

 

[Lisa0315]

http://www.catholic.com/library/Early_Teachings_on_Homosexuality.asp

http://www.newadvent.org/library/docs_cf9601.htm

http://www.newadvent.org/library/docs_df86ho.htm

http://titusonenine.classicalanglican.net/?page_id=9626