Has the Age of the Gentiles come to an end?

[mkgal1]

Jesus' resurrection was truly remarkable in that it demonstrates the covenant of faith works... Christ didn't raise himself from the dead by relying on his own righteousness (though He could have), but rather he waited on God to raise him from the dead through Abraham's covenant of faith (the eternal covenant as Gen 17:7 calls it) and the inheritance of righteousness in order to demonstrate its effectiveness

The trouble I have with the language used here is that is seems to divide the Trinity into more than one essence. Jesus IS God....so to say that He "waited on God to raise Him from the dead" that reads to me as Jesus being separate from God. Again....Jesus IS God.

 

[parousia70]

1000 years=a day.

According to the Psalmist, 3-6 earth hours = 1000 years to God. (Psalm 90:4)

So, that is somewhere between 4000-8000 years per "Day" to the Lord.

 

[solid_core]

In 1948 the Jews took Israel from the British.

On November 29, 1947 the United Nations adopted Resolution 181 (also known as the Partition Resolution) that would divide Great Britain’s former Palestinian mandate into Jewish and Arab states in May 1948 when the British mandate was scheduled to end.

Milestones: 1945–1952 - Office of the Historian

The part of Palestine was given to Jews by the decision of the United Nations.

 

[mkgal1]

Well, the last day hasn't come yet.
David is still in his grave.

John 6:40 KJV: And this is the will of him that sent me, that every one which seeth the Son, and believeth on him, may have everlasting life: and I will raise him up at the last day.

There's still the issue I brought up earlier about the promise that the Throne of the House of Israel not ever lacking a man to be seated on it. If that's on earth....the promise was broken.

Jeremiah 33:17 ~ For this is what the LORD says: David will never lack a man to sit on the throne of the house of Israel​

Another passage that creates a problem with the belief of an earthly throne is this one (Jesus is a descendant of Jehoiachin):

Jeremiah 22:30 - "Thus says the Lord: 'Write this man down as childless, a man who shall not prosper in his days; for none of his descendants shall prosper, sitting on the throne of David, and ruling anymore in Judah'."
​

Look what happened in the history of Judah....this prophecy has been fulfilled:

....meaning that the Kingdom of Judah was going to never have a king again, and was thus ceasing from being an independent, sovereign state. King Jeconiah was going to be the last generation of rulers from the royal house of King Josiah. We know that this is exactly what happened!

Judah had one last king with King Zedekiah, but he was Jeconiah's uncle, not his son, and was carried away captive to Babylon, after witnessing the murder of all his sons. Jeconiah represents the last generation of rulers of Judah descending from the long line of kings going back to King David. Judah lost its independence completely and never regained it, becoming a Babylonian province first, then Persian, then Greek (under Alexander the Great) and finally Roman.-
"What is Jeconiah's curse - Does Jeconiah disqualify Jesus as Messiah?

 

[solid_core]

Well, the last day hasn't come yet.
David is still in his grave.

Did you check?

 

[shilohsfoal]

I interpret Jesus's point there to be that He was the temple that would be raised up in 3 days (and that was fulfilled at His resurrection).

I don't see that as having anything to do with 1 day =1,000 years or else we'd still be waiting for His resurrection. Do you deny His resurrection was fulfilled in 30 AD?

Luke 13:32 NIV: He replied, "Go tell that fox, 'I will keep on driving out demons and healing people today and tomorrow, and on the third day I will reach my goal.'

So all that he was talking about really didn't mean anything?
Driving out devils and healing the sick for two days means nothing to you?
And as far as you are concerned he has already reached his goal. There's nothing else for him to do?

 

[shilohsfoal]

Did you check?

Did I check if the last day is here yet?
If the last day had arrived Jesus would be here.

As for David. Peter said David was still buried. I have no reason to believe Peter lied about it.

 

[shilohsfoal]

I interpret Jesus's point there to be that He was the temple that would be raised up in 3 days (and that was fulfilled at His resurrection).

I don't see that as having anything to do with 1 day =1,000 years or else we'd still be waiting for His resurrection. Do you deny His resurrection was fulfilled in 30 AD?

Sure Jesus rose from the dead. And there is a reason his body rose on the third day and not the first.

Tell me if you understand this. Who is Hosea talking about here?
Hosea 6:2 KJV: After two days will he revive us: in the third day he will raise us up, and we shall live in his sight.
Hosea 6:3 KJV: Then shall we know, if we follow on to know the LORD: his going forth is prepared as the morning; and he shall come unto us as the rain, as the latter and former rain unto the earth.

 

[mkgal1]

David still dead and buried.

We are more than our physical material bodies. We have souls. Jesus pointed this out when He said:

Mark 12:26-27 ~ But concerning the dead rising, have you not read about the burning bush in the Book of Moses, how God told him, ‘I am the God of Abraham, the God of Isaac, and the God of Jacob’f? He is not the God of the dead, but of the living. You are badly mistaken!”​

 

[shilohsfoal]

We are more than our physical material bodies. We have souls. Jesus pointed this out when He said:

Mark 12:26-27 ~ But concerning the dead rising, have you not read about the burning bush in the Book of Moses, how God told him, ‘I am the God of Abraham, the God of Isaac, and the God of Jacob’f? He is not the God of the dead, but of the living. You are badly mistaken!”​

Perhaps you should preach that to Peter.
Peter is the one testifying that David died and was buried in his tomb to that exact day.

Acts 2:29 Brothers, I can tell you with confidence that the patriarch David died and was buried, and his tomb is with us to this day.

You also need to contact Jesus so he can change his word so that it matches yours.
John 3:13 No one has ascended into heaven except the One who descended from heaven--the Son of Man.

 

[mkgal1]

Perhaps you should preach that to Peter.
Peter is the one testifying that David died and was buried in his tomb to that exact day.

Acts 2:29 Brothers, I can tell you with confidence that the patriarch David died and was buried, and his tomb is with us to this day.


You calling Peter a lier?

You're responding to my quote of Jesus'. Are you suggesting Jesus and Peter were at odds and didn't agree - and you're siding with St Peter? Personally.......I tend to believe there's no disagreement between them....so I'd suggest that something has to be reconciled if a person sees a discrepancy between the words of Jesus and the words of Peter.

 

[shilohsfoal]

You're responding to my quote of Jesus'. Are you suggesting Jesus and Peter were at odds and didn't agree - and you're siding with St Peter? Personally.......I tend to believe there's no disagreement between them....so something has to be reconciled if a person sees a discrepancy.

Peter agrees with Jesus.
David has not ascended into heaven.

John 3:13 No one has ascended into heaven except the One who descended from heaven--the Son of Man.

Do you feel David needs to be in heaven making entersession for sinners?
For what reason would David need to enter the holy of holies?

 

[Gup20]

The trouble I have with the language used here is that is seems to divide the Trinity into more than one essence. Jesus IS God....so to say that He "waited on God to raise Him from the dead" that reads to me as Jesus being separate from God. Again....Jesus IS God.

Indeed, it is difficult to see Christ as separated from God, but we must take scripture at its word.

Heb 2:9-16 NASB 9 But we do see Him who was made for a little while lower than the angels, [namely,] Jesus, because of the suffering of death crowned with glory and honor, so that by the grace of God He might taste death for everyone. 10 For it was fitting for Him, for whom are all things, and through whom are all things, in bringing many sons to glory, to perfect the author of their salvation through sufferings. 11 For both He who sanctifies and those who are sanctified are all from one [Father;] for which reason He is not ashamed to call them brethren, 12 saying, "I WILL PROCLAIM YOUR NAME TO MY BRETHREN, IN THE MIDST OF THE CONGREGATION I WILL SING YOUR PRAISE." 13 And again, "I WILL PUT MY TRUST IN HIM." And again, "BEHOLD, I AND THE CHILDREN WHOM GOD HAS GIVEN ME." 14 Therefore, since the children share in flesh and blood, He Himself likewise also partook of the same, that through death He might render powerless him who had the power of death, that is, the devil, 15 and might free those who through fear of death were subject to slavery all their lives. 16 For assuredly He does not give help to angels, but He gives help to the descendant of Abraham.

Psa 16:5, 10-11 NASB 5 The LORD is the portion of my inheritance and my cup; You support my lot. ... 10 For You will not abandon my soul to Sheol; Nor will You allow Your Holy One to undergo decay. 11 You will make known to me the path of life; In Your presence is fullness of joy; In Your right hand there are pleasures forever.

Mat 27:46 NASB 46 About the ninth hour Jesus cried out with a loud voice, saying, "ELI, ELI, LAMA SABACHTHANI?" that is, "MY GOD, MY GOD, WHY HAVE YOU FORSAKEN ME?"

Psa 22:1-31 NASB 1 For the choir director; upon Aijeleth Hashshahar. A Psalm of David. My God, my God, why have You forsaken me? Far from my deliverance are the words of my groaning. 2 O my God, I cry by day, but You do not answer; And by night, but I have no rest. 3 Yet You are holy, O You who are enthroned upon the praises of Israel. 4 In You our fathers trusted; They trusted and You delivered them. 5 To You they cried out and were delivered; In You they trusted and were not disappointed. 6 But I am a worm and not a man, A reproach of men and despised by the people. 7 All who see me sneer at me; They separate with the lip, they wag the head, [saying,] 8 "Commit [yourself] to the LORD; let Him deliver him; Let Him rescue him, because He delights in him." 9 Yet You are He who brought me forth from the womb; You made me trust [when] upon my mother's breasts. 10 Upon You I was cast from birth; You have been my God from my mother's womb. 11 Be not far from me, for trouble is near; For there is none to help. 12 Many bulls have surrounded me; Strong [bulls] of Bashan have encircled me. 13 They open wide their mouth at me, As a ravening and a roaring lion. 14 I am poured out like water, And all my bones are out of joint; My heart is like wax; It is melted within me. 15 My strength is dried up like a potsherd, And my tongue cleaves to my jaws; And You lay me in the dust of death. 16 For dogs have surrounded me; A band of evildoers has encompassed me; They pierced my hands and my feet. 17 I can count all my bones. They look, they stare at me; 18 They divide my garments among them, And for my clothing they cast lots. 19 But You, O LORD, be not far off; O You my help, hasten to my assistance. 20 Deliver my soul from the sword, My only [life] from the power of the dog. 21 Save me from the lion's mouth; From the horns of the wild oxen You answer me. 22 I will tell of Your name to my brethren; In the midst of the assembly I will praise You. 23 You who fear the LORD, praise Him; All you descendants of Jacob, glorify Him, And stand in awe of Him, all you descendants of Israel. 24 For He has not despised nor abhorred the affliction of the afflicted; Nor has He hidden His face from him; But when he cried to Him for help, He heard. 25 From You [comes] my praise in the great assembly; I shall pay my vows before those who fear Him. 26 The afflicted will eat and be satisfied; Those who seek Him will praise the LORD. Let your heart live forever! 27 All the ends of the earth will remember and turn to the LORD, And all the families of the nations will worship before You. 28 For the kingdom is the LORD'S And He rules over the nations. 29 All the prosperous of the earth will eat and worship, All those who go down to the dust will bow before Him, Even he who cannot keep his soul alive. 30 Posterity will serve Him; It will be told of the Lord to the [coming] generation. 31 They will come and will declare His righteousness To a people who will be born, that He has performed [it.]​

Psalm 22 is the cry of Jesus on the cross... separated from His Father... asking for salvation. But Jesus had a promise that God would not leave his soul in Sheol, and that he would inherit again the righteousness he gave up.

Gal 3:13-14, 18-19 NASB 13 Christ redeemed us from the curse of the Law, having become a curse for us--for it is written, "CURSED IS EVERYONE WHO HANGS ON A TREE"-- 14 in order that in Christ Jesus the blessing of Abraham might come to the Gentiles, so that we would receive the promise of the Spirit through faith. ... 16 Now the promises were spoken to Abraham and to his seed. He does not say, "And to seeds," as [referring] to many, but [rather] to one, "And to your seed," that is, Christ. ...18 For if the inheritance is based on law, it is no longer based on a promise; but God has granted it to Abraham by means of a promise. 19 Why the Law then? It was added because of transgressions, having been ordained through angels by the agency of a mediator, until the seed would come to whom the promise had been made.

Deu 21:23 NASB 23 his corpse shall not hang all night on the tree, but you shall surely bury him on the same day (for he who is hanged is accursed of God), so that you do not defile your land which the LORD your God gives you as an inheritance.​

Gal 3:19 begs the question - why would God have to promise salvation to Jesus? Because Jesus became a curse and gave up His righteousness, allowing himself to be killed on a cross, and allowing the Father to raise him from the dead through the Abrahamic covenant of righteousness by faith... proving the covenant was valid and in effect.

2Co 5:21 NASB 21 He made Him who knew no sin [to be] sin on our behalf, so that we might become the righteousness of God in Him.​

The fact that Jesus subjected himself to the same process of salvation that we go through is amazing. He was raised from the dead by Abraham's covenant of faith. The promise of the inheritance of righteousness (life) through kinship with Abraham by faith. What an incredible testimony to the effectiveness of salvation by faith in the gospel.

Heb 13:20 NASB 20 Now the God of peace, who brought up from the dead the great Shepherd of the sheep through the blood of the eternal covenant, [even] Jesus our Lord,​

 

[mkgal1]

Indeed, it is difficult to see Christ as separated from God, but we must take scripture at its word.

Heb 2:9-16 NASB 9 But we do see Him who was made for a little while lower than the angels, [namely,] Jesus, because of the suffering of death crowned with glory and honor, so that by the grace of God He might taste death for everyone. 10 For it was fitting for Him, for whom are all things, and through whom are all things, in bringing many sons to glory, to perfect the author of their salvation through sufferings. 11 For both He who sanctifies and those who are sanctified are all from one [Father;] for which reason He is not ashamed to call them brethren, 12 saying, "I WILL PROCLAIM YOUR NAME TO MY BRETHREN, IN THE MIDST OF THE CONGREGATION I WILL SING YOUR PRAISE." 13 And again, "I WILL PUT MY TRUST IN HIM." And again, "BEHOLD, I AND THE CHILDREN WHOM GOD HAS GIVEN ME." 14 Therefore, since the children share in flesh and blood, He Himself likewise also partook of the same, that through death He might render powerless him who had the power of death, that is, the devil, 15 and might free those who through fear of death were subject to slavery all their lives. 16 For assuredly He does not give help to angels, but He gives help to the descendant of Abraham.

Psa 16:5, 10-11 NASB 5 The LORD is the portion of my inheritance and my cup; You support my lot. ... 10 For You will not abandon my soul to Sheol; Nor will You allow Your Holy One to undergo decay. 11 You will make known to me the path of life; In Your presence is fullness of joy; In Your right hand there are pleasures forever.

Mat 27:46 NASB 46 About the ninth hour Jesus cried out with a loud voice, saying, "ELI, ELI, LAMA SABACHTHANI?" that is, "MY GOD, MY GOD, WHY HAVE YOU FORSAKEN ME?"

Psa 22:1-31 NASB 1 For the choir director; upon Aijeleth Hashshahar. A Psalm of David. My God, my God, why have You forsaken me? Far from my deliverance are the words of my groaning. 2 O my God, I cry by day, but You do not answer; And by night, but I have no rest. 3 Yet You are holy, O You who are enthroned upon the praises of Israel. 4 In You our fathers trusted; They trusted and You delivered them. 5 To You they cried out and were delivered; In You they trusted and were not disappointed. 6 But I am a worm and not a man, A reproach of men and despised by the people. 7 All who see me sneer at me; They separate with the lip, they wag the head, [saying,] 8 "Commit [yourself] to the LORD; let Him deliver him; Let Him rescue him, because He delights in him." 9 Yet You are He who brought me forth from the womb; You made me trust [when] upon my mother's breasts. 10 Upon You I was cast from birth; You have been my God from my mother's womb. 11 Be not far from me, for trouble is near; For there is none to help. 12 Many bulls have surrounded me; Strong [bulls] of Bashan have encircled me. 13 They open wide their mouth at me, As a ravening and a roaring lion. 14 I am poured out like water, And all my bones are out of joint; My heart is like wax; It is melted within me. 15 My strength is dried up like a potsherd, And my tongue cleaves to my jaws; And You lay me in the dust of death. 16 For dogs have surrounded me; A band of evildoers has encompassed me; They pierced my hands and my feet. 17 I can count all my bones. They look, they stare at me; 18 They divide my garments among them, And for my clothing they cast lots. 19 But You, O LORD, be not far off; O You my help, hasten to my assistance. 20 Deliver my soul from the sword, My only [life] from the power of the dog. 21 Save me from the lion's mouth; From the horns of the wild oxen You answer me. 22 I will tell of Your name to my brethren; In the midst of the assembly I will praise You. 23 You who fear the LORD, praise Him; All you descendants of Jacob, glorify Him, And stand in awe of Him, all you descendants of Israel. 24 For He has not despised nor abhorred the affliction of the afflicted; Nor has He hidden His face from him; But when he cried to Him for help, He heard. 25 From You [comes] my praise in the great assembly; I shall pay my vows before those who fear Him. 26 The afflicted will eat and be satisfied; Those who seek Him will praise the LORD. Let your heart live forever! 27 All the ends of the earth will remember and turn to the LORD, And all the families of the nations will worship before You. 28 For the kingdom is the LORD'S And He rules over the nations. 29 All the prosperous of the earth will eat and worship, All those who go down to the dust will bow before Him, Even he who cannot keep his soul alive. 30 Posterity will serve Him; It will be told of the Lord to the [coming] generation. 31 They will come and will declare His righteousness To a people who will be born, that He has performed [it.]​

Psalm 22 is the cry of Jesus on the cross... separated from His Father... asking for salvation. But Jesus had a promise that God would not leave his soul in Sheol, and that he would inherit again the righteousness he gave up.

Gal 3:13-14, 18-19 NASB 13 Christ redeemed us from the curse of the Law, having become a curse for us--for it is written, "CURSED IS EVERYONE WHO HANGS ON A TREE"-- 14 in order that in Christ Jesus the blessing of Abraham might come to the Gentiles, so that we would receive the promise of the Spirit through faith. ... 16 Now the promises were spoken to Abraham and to his seed. He does not say, "And to seeds," as [referring] to many, but [rather] to one, "And to your seed," that is, Christ. ...18 For if the inheritance is based on law, it is no longer based on a promise; but God has granted it to Abraham by means of a promise. 19 Why the Law then? It was added because of transgressions, having been ordained through angels by the agency of a mediator, until the seed would come to whom the promise had been made.

Deu 21:23 NASB 23 his corpse shall not hang all night on the tree, but you shall surely bury him on the same day (for he who is hanged is accursed of God), so that you do not defile your land which the LORD your God gives you as an inheritance.​

Gal 3:19 begs the question - why would God have to promise salvation to Jesus? Because Jesus became a curse and gave up His righteousness, allowing himself to be killed on a cross, and allowing the Father to raise him from the dead through the Abrahamic covenant of righteousness by faith... proving the covenant was valid and in effect.

2Co 5:21 NASB 21 He made Him who knew no sin [to be] sin on our behalf, so that we might become the righteousness of God in Him.​

The fact that Jesus subjected himself to the same process of salvation that we go through is amazing. He was raised from the dead by Abraham's covenant of faith. The promise of the inheritance of righteousness (life) through kinship with Abraham by faith. What an incredible testimony to the effectiveness of salvation by faith in the gospel.

Heb 13:20 NASB 20 Now the God of peace, who brought up from the dead the great Shepherd of the sheep through the blood of the eternal covenant, [even] Jesus our Lord,​

God was in the flesh for a limited period of time (this is getting way off into the weeds from the OP). The reason? I love how this video describes redemptive history in such a succinct way:

 

[dqhall]

On November 29, 1947 the United Nations adopted Resolution 181 (also known as the Partition Resolution) that would divide Great Britain’s former Palestinian mandate into Jewish and Arab states in May 1948 when the British mandate was scheduled to end.

Milestones: 1945–1952 - Office of the Historian

The part of Palestine was given to Jews by the decision of the United Nations.

The Palestinian Authority governed places like Ramallah and Jericho. Israel governed elsewhere. I am not a Muslim or a Jew.

What can you do about Russia invading the Ukraine and taking Crimea? Surely you should not approve.

 

[mkgal1]

it is difficult to see Christ as separated from God,

It's typically called something beyond just "difficult " :

 

[mkgal1]

[Rom 11:25 NASB] 25 For I do not want you, brethren, to be uninformed of this mystery--so that you will not be wise in your own estimation--that a partial hardening has happened to Israel until the fullness of the Gentiles has come in;

Going back to the OP.

There's a timeline running in the background of the*ancient * Israelite history. Daniel prophesied about 490 years that were to pertain to Daniel's people and his city....then the gates would open wide for all nations (Gentiles). The 490 years ended in 34 AD....when there was a subtle redefining of who Daniel's holy people really were. We can see there was some sort of change between the time the disciples had been told, "Do not go among the Gentiles " (Matthew 10:5) and when Peter had His vision in Acts 10(historians place that four years later... "the times of the Gentiles ").

This occurred at the end of the 490 years....the beginning of the Times of the Gentiles (34 AD). This isn't about a termination point - it's a point of reference:

Acts 10:27-28
As Peter talked with him, he went inside and found many people gathered together. He said to them, “You know how unlawful it is for a Jew to associate with a foreigner or visit him. But God has shown me that I should not call any man impure or unclean.

V.34-47
34Then Peter began to speak: “I now truly understand that God does not show favoritism, 35but welcomes those from every nation who fear Him and do what is right. 36He has sent this message to the people of Israel, proclaiming the gospel of peace through Jesus Christ, who is Lord of all.37You yourselves know what has happened throughout Judea, beginning in Galilee with the baptism that John proclaimed: 38how God anointed Jesus of Nazareth with the Holy Spirit and with power, and how Jesus went around doing good and healing all who were oppressed by the devil, because God was with Him.39We are witnesses of all that He did, both in the land of the Jews and in Jerusalem. And although they put Him to death by hanging Him on a tree, 40God raised Him up on the third day and caused Him to be seen— 41not by all the people, but by the witnesses God had chosen beforehand, by us who ate and drank with Him after He rose from the dead. 42And He commanded us to preach to the people and to testify that He is the One appointed by God to judge the living and the dead. 43All the prophets testify about Him that everyone who believes in Him receives forgiveness of sins through His name.”Acts 19:1-7)

44While Peter was still speaking these words, the Holy Spirit fell upon all who heard his message. 45All the circumcised believers who had accompanied Peter were astounded that the gift of the Holy Spirit had been poured out even on the Gentiles. 46For they heard them speaking in tongues and exalting God.

Then Peter said, 47“Can anyone withhold the water to baptize these people? They have received the Holy Spirit just as we have!” ​

 

[mkgal1]

Peter agrees with Jesus.
David has not ascended into heaven.

John 3:13 No one has ascended into heaven except the One who descended from heaven--the Son of Man.

Do you feel David needs to be in heaven making entersession for sinners?
For what reason would David need to enter the holy of holies?

Only Jesus ascended to heaven. That has a specific implication.

Quoting from linked article:
It is no coincidence that the Evangelist who narrated the Ascension also narrated at great length and repeatedly the coming of the Holy Spirit on the Day of Pentecost, so that Luke is the Evangelist of the Holy Spirit as well as the Evangelist of the Ascension. The two events are connected, for one is the cause of the other. Christ foretold it during His last night with His disciples prior to His arrest: “It is to your advantage that I go away, for if I do not go away, the Comforter will not come to you; but if I go, I will send Him to you” (John 16:7). Luke narrated the fulfillment in the words of Peter’s Pentecostal sermon: “Being exalted to the right hand of God, and having received from the Father the promise of the Holy Spirit, He has poured out this which you both see and hear” (Acts 2:33). - "The Ascension: a Beginning, Not an Ending – No Other Foundation​

 

[shilohsfoal]

Only Jesus ascended to heaven. That has a specific implication.

Quoting from linked article:
It is no coincidence that the Evangelist who narrated the Ascension also narrated at great length and repeatedly the coming of the Holy Spirit on the Day of Pentecost, so that Luke is the Evangelist of the Holy Spirit as well as the Evangelist of the Ascension. The two events are connected, for one is the cause of the other. Christ foretold it during His last night with His disciples prior to His arrest: “It is to your advantage that I go away, for if I do not go away, the Comforter will not come to you; but if I go, I will send Him to you” (John 16:7). Luke narrated the fulfillment in the words of Peter’s Pentecostal sermon: “Being exalted to the right hand of God, and having received from the Father the promise of the Holy Spirit, He has poured out this which you both see and hear” (Acts 2:33). - "The Ascension: a Beginning, Not an Ending – No Other Foundation​

OK, I agree. Only Jesus has ascended into heaven.
So why do you believe David would need to go before God before he is judged?
Do you believe David needed to go before God so that he could make intersession for sinners?

Do you believe David needed to ascend into heaven before God so that he could shed the holy spirit upon us?
For what reason do you believe David ascended to God's presense where our high priest is?

 

[mkgal1]

So why do you believe David would need to go before God before he is judged?
Do you believe David needed to go before God so that he could make intersession for sinners?

Do you believe David needed to ascend into heaven before God so that he could shed the holy spirit upon us?
For what reason do you believe David ascended to God's presense where our high priest is?

All I've brought up is the issue created by the belief that the throne promised is an earthly throne and how that comes into conflict with those two passages. It's not possible for all that to be true. The only solution is that the throne is spiritual.....not a literal throne in Jerusalem or else the prophecies would be in error.