Has the Age of the Gentiles come to an end?

[shilohsfoal]

The question is "the last day of what"?

The last day of the physical universe? Or the last day of the old Israel/Mosaic economy, before the kingdom of God has come?

Jesus is talking about raising up those who believe in Him. Not those who don't. He's talking about his body. His church.

There's a reason why the body of Christ is risen on the third day. It's not raised on the first.

Hosea 6:2 KJV: After two days will he revive us: in the third day he will raise us up, and we shall live in his sight.
Hosea 6:3 KJV: Then shall we know, if we follow on to know the LORD: his going forth is prepared as the morning; and he shall come unto us as the rain, as the latter and former rain unto the earth.


Now what did Peter say that he rather we not be ignorant of?

 

[trulytheone]

Yea, will be going to Jerusalem to keep the feast of tabernacles. Should have a good time. It will e a refreshing visit.

Zechariah was predicting the Second Coming and the New Heavens and Earth. Almost certainly the physical Jerusalem will be renewed and everyone who’s saved will dwell in it. And the gruesome punishments described in that chapter you have quoted are reserved for the damned.

 

[James Honigman]

[Luk 21:24 NASB] 24 and they will fall by the edge of the sword, and will be led captive into all the nations; and Jerusalem will be trampled under foot by the Gentiles until the times of the Gentiles are fulfilled.

[Rom 11:25 NASB] 25 For I do not want you, brethren, to be uninformed of this mystery--so that you will not be wise in your own estimation--that a partial hardening has happened to Israel until the fullness of the Gentiles has come in;​

I've seen a lot of prophecy lately that talk about new eras and that the time of the Gentiles has ended (the church age). What are the thoughts of people here on that?

Lana Vawser:
I HEARD THE LORD SAY “PROPHETS I AM INVITING YOU INTO A DEEPER PLACE OF UNDERSTANDING MY WAYS IN THIS MOMENT FOR THE NEW ERA AND MIGHTY SHIFT TAKING PLACE NOW. IT’S IMPORTANT TO LISTEN MORE THAN YOU SPEAK RIGHT NOW”

Hi Gup. Yes, the time of the Gentiles is almost complete. This is evidenced by how much time the Lord spent converting the Samaritans. The Samaritans represented the Gentiles in the gospels and after converting the "woman at the well" they besought Him that He would tarry with them: and He abode there two days. And many more believed (the Gentile nations) because of His own word. John 4:40. His own word was the New Testament, and how many days have passed since He gave them His Word? Two. Stay fixed upon the Lord, and you cannot go wrong. Love to you.

 

[trulytheone]

Yes the everlasting kingdom is supposed to be established on the property promised to the seed of Abraham forever.

Galatians 3:16 The promises were spoken to Abraham and to his seed. The Scripture does not say, "and to seeds," meaning many, but "and to your seed," meaning One, who is Christ.

Our Lord Jesus Christ is now ruling over the heavens and the earth, which inevitably includes the little dot of land in the Middle East the Lord had promised to Abraham and to his Seed.

 

[shilohsfoal]

Our Lord Jesus Christ is now ruling over the heavens and the earth, which inevitably includes the little dot of land in the Middle East the Lord promised to Abraham’s Seed.

Well, Benjamin Netanyahu, who is currently the head of Israel is planning to implement his long planned cashless society. He is going to do away with cash so Israelis will be forced by his laws to buy and sell using what he sees fit.

Now, do you believe Jesus ordered Netanyahu to create a mark to give everyone in Israel to be used for buying and selling?

 

[trulytheone]

Well, Benjamin Netanyahu, who is currently the head of Israel is planning to implement his long planned cashless society. He is going to do away with cash so Israelis will be forced by his laws to buy and sell as he sees fit.

Now, do you believe Jesus ordered Netanyahu to create a mark to give everyone in Israel to be used for buying and selling?

It is certain that there are evil men in the Holy Land. But, that doesn’t mean that Abraham’s Seed hadn’t receive what’s promised to Him (in fact, He had received more than what was written in Genesis, since He received from His Father all of Creation at the moment He ascended to the heavens). Christ, in His resurrected Body, now rules of over all nations, including the land promised to him in Genesis. And it does help to notice that, ever since the first coming of Christ, there has been at least one Christian in the Holy Land. Netanyahu, if he is unrepentant and continues to be unrepentant, would be punished on Judgement Day.

 

[shilohsfoal]

Zechariah was predicting the Second Coming and the New Heavens and Earth. Almost certainly the physical Jerusalem will be renewed and everyone who’s saved will dwell in it. And the gruesome punishments described in that chapter you have quoted are reserved for the damned.

Why do Gentiles want to take Jerusalem away from Israel? There's coming a time when no one will be able to take it away from them.

Daniel 7:18 But the saints of the Most High will receive the kingdom and possess it forever--yes, forever and ever.'

 

[shilohsfoal]

It is certain that there are evil men in the Holy Land. But, that doesn’t mean that Abraham’s Seed hadn’t receive what’s promised to Him (in fact, He had received more than what was written in Genesis, since He received from His Father all of Creation at the moment He ascended to the heavens). Christ, in His resurrected Body, now rules of over all nations, including the land promised to him in Genesis. And it does help to notice that, ever since the first coming back of Christ, there has been at least one Christian in the Holy Land. Netanyahu, if he is unrepentant and continues to be unrepentant, would be punished on Judgement Day.

Maybe you didn't understand what I'm saying.
You say Jesus governs the promised land.

Why then are people such as Benjamin Netanyahu making the laws. Iraq, Syria, Jordan, Lebanon.,Saudi Arabia, Egypt are all in the promised land which you claim Jesus is governing.

Why are there so many antichrist Ian laws in those nations if Jesus is governing them?
Did Jesus make Israel's 1977 antimissionary law?

 

[trulytheone]

Why do Gentiles want to take Jerusalem away from Israel? There's coming a time when no one will be able to take it away from them.

Daniel 7:18 But the saints of the Most High will receive the kingdom and possess it forever--yes, forever and ever.'

I’m pretty certain the prophet Daniel was speaking about the Christian Church, which shall never be completely destroyed by her enemies.

 

[shilohsfoal]

I’m pretty certain the prophet Daniel was speaking about the Christian Church, which shall never be completely destroyed by her enemies.

I'm pretty sure the Prophet Daniel is speaking of the saints located in Israel where the little horn is located.

Why do you believe you are entitled to what they are rewarded with when you don't suffer with them?
Why do you believe you will Inherit thier reward?

 

[trulytheone]

Maybe you didn't understand what I'm saying.
You say Jesus governs the promised land.

Why then are people such as Benjamin Netanyahu making the laws. Iraq, Syria, Jordan, Lebanon.,Saudi Arabia, Egypt are all in the promised land which you claim Jesus is governing.

Why are there so many antichrist Ian laws in those nations if Jesus is governing them?
Did Jesus make Israel's 1977 antimissionary law?

Christ had already receive power over all places of the cosmos on the day of His ascension. So the machinations of powerful evil men in Israel should no longer agitate us, for He will punish them on Judgement Day. And it should no longer keep us at night that there is no descendant of Abraham ruling over the Holy Land; for his Seed, Christ our Lord, rules over all places of the cosmos (which inevitably includes the Holy Land).

I'm pretty sure the Prophet Daniel is speaking of the saints located in Israel where the little horn is located.

Why do you believe you are entitled to what they are rewarded with when you don't suffer with them?

The prophet was speaking about the saints of the kingdom. Not necessarily about the physical Jerusalem. And so it was fulfilled in the Church, which shall never be destroyed utterly. Though, the little horn will give her the worst damage out of the four kingdoms.

 

[Gup20]

"Based entirely on the Abrahamic covenant "? What about the covenant God made with Adam and Eve....God's covenant with Noah....His covenant with David?

None of those provided a mechanism for righteousness. The Abrahamic covenant provided that righteousness came through faith, and it provided a mechanism for that righteousness to be distributed (inheritance for the faith descendants of Abraham).

Personally....i don't believe in dividing up God's one continual story of how He has been redeeming humanity back to Him since the Genesis part of the story.

The Bible is one story....about one group of "the people of God" - Progressive Covenantalism and New Covenant Theology - The Gospel Coalition

I don't know about all that... all I know is that the eternal covenant in Genesis 12-17 is the Christian covenant of righteousness by faith in the gospel of Jesus Christ.

Gen 15:5-6 KJV 5 And he brought him forth abroad, and said, Look now toward heaven, and tell the stars, if thou be able to number them: and he said unto him, So shall thy seed be. 6 And he believed in the LORD; and he counted it to him for righteousness.

Gal 3:8, 16 KJV 8 And the scripture, foreseeing that God would justify the heathen through faith, preached before the gospel unto Abraham, [saying], In thee shall all nations be blessed. ... 16 Now to Abraham and his seed were the promises made. He saith not, And to seeds, as of many; but as of one, And to thy seed, which is Christ.

Gen 17:7 KJV 7 And I will establish my covenant between me and thee and thy seed after thee in their generations for an everlasting covenant, to be a God unto thee, and to thy seed after thee.​

So God tells Abraham the gospel of Jesus Christ, and Abraham believes the gospel, and God credits him with righteousness for his faith. God then promises that righteousness as an eternal inheritance by all of the descendants of Abraham, the father of many nations. In the Abrahamic covenant, righteousness by faith alone apart from the law was instituted.

 

[solid_core]

Now what did Peter say that he rather we not be ignorant of?

Peter was not talking to us, to people living in 2020.

 

[shilohsfoal]

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Christ had already receive power over all places of the cosmos on the day of His ascension. So the machinations of powerful evil men in Israel should no longer agitate us, for He will punish them on Judgement Day.

The prophet was speaking about the saints of the kingdom. Not necessarily about the physical Jerusalem. And so it was fulfilled in the Church, which shall never be destroyed utterly. Though, the little horn will give her the worst damage out of the four kingdoms.

Daniel wrote about the little horn that is in Israel and how the saints there are given into his hand for 42 months. They will be persecuted and killed in Israel just like Jesus said they will in the gospel.
According to Daniel, that kingdom of Israel will be given to those saints.

Now why do you feel you deserve thier reward?
If you don't go throughout Israel preaching the gospel like Jesus tells them to do and you are not persecuted as they are persecuted. Why do you feel thier reward should be given to you?

Matthew 10:23 When they persecute you in one town, flee to the next. Truly I tell you, you will not reach all the towns of Israel before the Son of Man comes.

Why do you feel you should be given thier reward when you won't suffer with them?

 

[trulytheone]

Daniel wrote about the little horn that is in Israel and how the saints there are given into his hand for 42 months. They will be persecuted and killed in Israel just like Jesus said they will in the gospel.
According to Daniel, that kingdom of Israel will be given to those saints.

Now why do you feel you deserve thier reward?
If you don't go throughout Israel preaching the gospel like Jesus tells them to do and you are not persecuted as they are persecuted. Why do you feel thier reward should be given to you?

Matthew 10:23 When they persecute you in one town, flee to the next. Truly I tell you, you will not reach all the towns of Israel before the Son of Man comes.

Why do you feel you should be given thier reward when you won't suffer with them?

It seems to me you are confusing prophecies here. That one chapter was about one of the several visions the prophet Daniel had.

 

[shilohsfoal]

It seems to me you are confusing prophecies here. That one chapter was about one of the several visions the prophet Daniel had. And this vision does not have any 42 months mentioned in it.

It say a time, times, and a half.
Which if you study both Daniel and Revelation which talk about that same time period you find that a time, times, and the deviding of time is three and a half years. 42 months.

Daniel 7:25 He will speak out against the Most High and oppress the saints of the Most High, intending to change the appointed times and laws; and the saints will be given into his hand for a time, and times, and half a time.
But you feel you should be given thier reward for thier faithfulness.Why?

 

[solid_core]

[STAFF EDITED]

The point is that we cannot simply take everything we read in the Bible and ignore the context and the audiance it was directed to.

Peter was executed before the last day came. It does not mean that the last day could not come in the 2000 years era between him and us.

 

[trulytheone]

It say a time, times, and a half.

Alright, I retract only my statement on 42 months. The rest still stands.

 

[shilohsfoal]

Alright, I retract only my statement on 42 months. The rest still stands.

Here are the same saints reigning with Christ in Israel. They are killed for thier testimony of Jesus.


Revelation 20:4 Then I saw the thrones, and those seated on them had been given authority to judge. And I saw the souls of those who had been beheaded for their testimony of Jesus and for the word of God, and those who had not worshiped the beast or its image, and had not received its mark on their foreheads or hands. And they came to life and reigned with Christ for a thousand years.

Now why do you feel you should be given thier land if you won't go and lay down your life with them for the Lord?
If you won't follow in Christ footsteps and go to Israel preaching the gospel and get killed for it then why do you feel God should give you thier reward?

 

[BABerean2]

Zechariah 14:4 On that day His feet will stand on the Mount of Olives, east of Jerusalem, and the Mount of Olives will be split in two from east to west, forming a great valley, with half the mountain moving to the north and half to the south.

In the book of Revelation, this war is refer to as Armegeddon. It's when Christ comes and fights against the ten horns and defeats them.

Yea, will be going to Jerusalem to keep the feast of tabernacles. Should have a good time. It will e a refreshing visit.

That event is found below in Revelation chapter 16. There will be almost nothing left of earthly Jerusalem after the greatest earthquake in the history of the planet.
Look below at what happens to the cities, and islands, and mountains.

You are confusing early Jerusalem, with heavenly Jerusalem promised in Hebrews 11:15-16.
You also seem to be unaware of who is the New Covenant "tabernacle". See 1 Peter 2:4-10 if you need some clarification.


Rev 16:15 Behold, I come as a thief. Blessed is he that watcheth, and keepeth his garments, lest he walk naked, and they see his shame.
Rev 16:16 And he gathered them together into a place called in the Hebrew tongue Armageddon.
Rev 16:17 And the seventh angel poured out his vial into the air; and there came a great voice out of the temple of heaven, from the throne, saying, It is done.
Rev 16:18 And there were voices, and thunders, and lightnings; and there was a great earthquake, such as was not since men were upon the earth, so mighty an earthquake, and so great.
Rev 16:19 And the great city was divided into three parts, and the cities of the nations fell: and great Babylon came in remembrance before God, to give unto her the cup of the wine of the fierceness of his wrath.
Rev 16:20 And every island fled away, and the mountains were not found.
Rev 16:21 And there fell upon men a great hail out of heaven, every stone about the weight of a talent: and men blasphemed God because of the plague of the hail; for the plague thereof was exceeding great.


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